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Bernie Sanders endorsed TYT founder and carpetbagger Cenk Uygur in CA 25 Congressional Race (UP: Sanders retracts endorsement) [SEE STAFF POST]
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I do think it's fair to disagree with the use of slurs even if used in quotes.
But do you think cenk is actually racist?
When it comes to voting about things that would impact the lives of black people, do you think Cenk would vote the wrong way? Compared to say someome like major Pete?
Or his direct opponent in this race?
I would still be defined as one from your previous statements though.
Racist? Can't say for sure but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt over say, Butti.
Christie Smith? No. She's good people.
weird way to find out I'm a meme asshole but here we are.
can I choose the meme that goes on my asshole?
can I choose the meme that goes on my asshole?
Do you drop into difficult and heavy discussions that require nauce and understanding to say "lol both sides are the same"?
I don't know much about Smith's stances on social issues, so I can't comment. But i appreciate the honesty
Saying that the notion that someone is tainted forever is what we've been processing is insulting. I am tormented DAILY by my mistakes, and the idea that I can still live a life of worth despite everything I've suffered as a victim and the wrongs I've committed as a result of warped values is part of what keeps me going.
the fact is, if this man had legitimately repented, I would be with you all on sticking up for him. But his defense of those comments he made on his program, and the fact that he still supports, participates in, and promotes organizations that deny the Armenian genocide lead me to doubt that his apologies are sincere.
now I do recognize that change is a spectrum, and no one ever becomes completely perfect. But I cannot in good faith support him or support endorsing him for PUBLIC OFFICE knowing what I know about him. If I had shown myself backpedaling on my own progress, my own friends and family would be justified in holding me to task for it. There are second chances, even third chances, and then there's giving something to someone they aren't ready or right for.
the fact is, if this man had legitimately repented, I would be with you all on sticking up for him. But his defense of those comments he made on his program, and the fact that he still supports, participates in, and promotes organizations that deny the Armenian genocide lead me to doubt that his apologies are sincere.
now I do recognize that change is a spectrum, and no one ever becomes completely perfect. But I cannot in good faith support him or support endorsing him for PUBLIC OFFICE knowing what I know about him. If I had shown myself backpedaling on my own progress, my own friends and family would be justified in holding me to task for it. There are second chances, even third chances, and then there's giving something to someone they aren't ready or right for.
I can't believe we're at "yes, so what he used the n-word in the last 10 years. You're saying people are just cancelled after that?!"
Maybe he should, you know, just not run for political office?
Maybe he should, you know, just not run for political office?
It's not that simple.
But for sake of brevity, I'll say that in many contexts and situations yes, he could enjoy many benefits by white passing.
I agree when people make mistakes they grow. Bigger ones require time.
N word usage is not a mistake. It's downright wrong.
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In what world is a Caucasian man in America a minority?
No, but that's totally up to your interpretations of what I say. I'm assuming you haven't called Cenk a sexist or misogynist in this very thread, lest you fall to your own logic.
He's not caucasian, that is just factually incorrect. You're taking a Turkish man and slapping white privilege on him.
Yes.
It's not a newsflash the n word is bad post 2000.
It wasn't news 40 years ago.
Nope, but I do think he's problematic and Christie Smith a better candidate.
I also like Bernie.
What?? He's Turkish yes, that's his nationality. You can be both Turkish and white.
He is? He grew up Muslim, his name does not sound white, he has brown skin, how is he white?
He was born in Turkey, grew up Muslim and immigrated to America at 8 years old. He is an immigrant and a minority. Throwing Cenk in with typical "White America" is just more intellectual dishonesty.
Similar to how white Mexicans think themselves white. And many do treat them as such.
Just to clarify your stance. If someone has said a racial slur not in directly demeaning way but quoting someone using it that way, then they shouldn't run for office ever?
It does show bad judgement i guess.
Dude you can be Muslim and white. Turkey and Albania are two nation's that are majority Caucasian and Muslim.
They're treating it like "Voldemort". Even referencing it for the sake of criticism is a sin.
Yes. The easiest way to address this is that Cenk is definitely not black. White or not isn't particularly relevant.
Okay, I am not here for any of these comments insisting this man is white. I'm critical of him, yes, but this is a step too far.
His use of slurs when he's not part of the ethnic group in question is still something I'd criticize him for, but I have no idea if that plays any role in who he is now and I'd certainly condemn it if he still considered using such words as alright. As a stupid white person, I'm also not qualified to make that call that he should be forgiven for it to begin with.
But his using those words can be wrong, and so can calling him white. Stop it.
His use of slurs when he's not part of the ethnic group in question is still something I'd criticize him for, but I have no idea if that plays any role in who he is now and I'd certainly condemn it if he still considered using such words as alright. As a stupid white person, I'm also not qualified to make that call that he should be forgiven for it to begin with.
But his using those words can be wrong, and so can calling him white. Stop it.
I don't agree with the comparison of a gross slur with voldemort. Sorry.
I think it's fair to be against any usage of the word.
I just want people to be accurate about what their issues are.
Cenk used a racist slur in a sentence. True
Hence Cenk is racist. I don't think that follows. Context, etc. Matters
You're being intellectually dishonest in ignoring that in today's social construct of racism, he's not a visual minority. I can't believe I have to explain that race in America is defined by what you look like.
You're going to gatekeep race? This is actual colorism, my guy. I get you're trying to speak on people's proximity to whiteness but wtf.
You're literally saying Cenk isn't a minority because he isn't brown enough.....
No one denies that M4A would benefit women and minorities.
The thing is though that some progressives really need to get off the kick that we only need to focus on this one issue that affects everybody. It's very important for any leftist candidate to openly speak about specific issues faced by specific communities and policy to benefit them. You can't answer a question about LGBT rights with an answer about free healthcare or tax cuts for the middle class. You're not speaking to that community. You're speaking past them and telling them that your good policy will trickle down some day and help them too eventually. It's patronizing and condescending even to try and tell them this with language like "the needs of the many." That's not how you tell someone that they matter.
Yes, someone with misogynist views and rhetoric is a bad candidate for women's rights, even if they support M4A. Going further, someone who doesn't speak at all about women's rights is also a bad candidate for women's rights, even if they support M4A. And taking no interest in minority topics while continuing to insist that M4A is the magic fix for it all is just incredibly tone-deaf and privileged.
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Nonwhites should not use the N-word, we all agree on that.
The question now is: what happens when they do use it. Is it over then? Because again: I watch TYT every single day and Cenk is not using the N-word. Had he insisted on using it, you would have a point. He is clearly not. And if using an N-word is forever not-okay, and a cause for political exile, THEN what do you do with Hillary's superpredators comment? And Joe Biden opposing bussing? ACTUAL policies that affect blacks disproprotionately, and policies against which Cenk fights again and again.
The Cenk of today does not have misogynist views and rethoric. Just watch the show, for god's sake. We can debate to hell and back about his past views, but the today's Cenk is progressive and is FOR women's rights.
The question now is: what happens when they do use it. Is it over then? Because again: I watch TYT every single day and Cenk is not using the N-word. Had he insisted on using it, you would have a point. He is clearly not. And if using an N-word is forever not-okay, and a cause for political exile, THEN what do you do with Hillary's superpredators comment? And Joe Biden opposing bussing? ACTUAL policies that affect blacks disproprotionately, and policies against which Cenk fights again and again.
The Cenk of today does not have misogynist views and rethoric. Just watch the show, for god's sake. We can debate to hell and back about his past views, but the today's Cenk is progressive and is FOR women's rights.
You're removing Cenk's ethnicity and saying he can not speak on the issues of minorities because of the color of this skin. How is this not colorism? I've been told shit like this before because I'm a lighter shade of brown than some Mexicans.
Do you think Cenk faces the same oppression as Arab Muslims?
If your judgement is poor enough to use it, you probably shouldn't. If your judgement is poor enough to wear blackface, you probably shouldn't.
I am absolutely certain that over the journey, Cenk has experienced islamophobia, yes. Whether it be Youtube comments, Twitter or in person.
Colorism is discrimination that happens within ethnic communities due to skin color breh.
I literally feel isolated here. I'm sticking up for my position but now other people who share it have posted some really dire stuff. I feel like my protests got lost in the wind. This is getting very upsetting. I... I think I need to pull out.
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