no, he didn't campaign in the south after losing SC by almost 50%
the 'they don't vote for Dems in November' was just damage control after the fact
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Bernie Sanders: Barack Obama won 10% of the white vote in Mississippi. That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats there
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no, he didn't campaign in the south after losing SC by almost 50%
the 'they don't vote for Dems in November' was just damage control after the fact
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It's also almost as if he was an insurgent candidate going up against a political dynasty so hegemonic within the democratic apparatus they might as well be analogs for a royal family. Really makes you think!
Yup. His campaign's internal Afircan American outreach team reached out to Sanders and the upper leadership asking him to campaign in the South because they saw the exact same margins 2016 Poli-ERA/GAF did and knew that unless he got a better share of black voters, his campaign was DOA.
They were completely ignored by a campaign which deliberately chose not to take that advice.
"You can't win over black voters because they worship the Clintons like royalty so don't even try" is not the good argument you think it is.
Or
He made a really bad error and lost the primary because he ignored a major part of the voting population and thought he might be able to make it up in other areas and failed to do so
Or Bernie gave up because he knew he wasn't prepared for the fight over voters. This is why he should have done more to understand and appeal to the black voting bloc, the key demographic to getting the nomination.
nobody could ever beat a clinton in a democratic primary!
a husband and wife in politics is now a political dynasty?
while you equally insult the work and outreach toward black people. Or the idea that black people only voted for her because of 'the Clinton dynasty' and claim their support is like royal worship?
Could you have attempted to cram anymore scary and insulting buzzwords that don't mean anything or apply here?
Everything Bernie does is an issue for a lot of people on this forum. Still doesn't change the fact that 90% of the threads made on him aren't an actual issue.
You legitimately don't seem to realize how disgusting this post is.
What 90 percent of the Bernie threads are about is not the topic nor a reason to come into this specific thread if you don't actually have a stance on the issue at hand.
Ive already stated my opinion on the issue at hand tho and did so in the post I responded to you with.
Because he actually actively addressed the bad-faith right wing prop up shit that he didn't say a word about in 2016. That was legitimately an improvement in campaign behavior.
My uninformed impression is that the majority is still bigoted. Even if they weren't, I don't have any way to calculate when a community as a whole ceases to be racist, or ceases to be a certain percentage of racists, so I couldn't answer your question either way.
My opinion is limited to this - "All people in the south are bigots" is an ironic statement.
Do you remember the "low information voter" dogwhistle from 2016?
The fallout of Bernie getting destroyed in South Carolina where is primarily generated from. Its what online supporters and surrogates referred to those voters who were (since its South Carolina) black
Do you even understand how fucking insulting this post is to black voters?
Lol, we've tried and they're still wondering why Biden has the black vote.
I'm not going to quote that post, but lol. These are the sorts of people who I'm supposed to believe are on my team.
Pretty interesting that Bernie's continued racial issues have been adopted so well by some of his most dedicated supporters, tho! Really makes you think.
Pretty interesting that Bernie's continued racial issues have been adopted so well by some of his most dedicated supporters, tho! Really makes you think.
GiantBreadbug Why do you assume that black people in South Carolina were uninformed? Were they deceived?
Yup. She was problematic on other areas but she was the only candidate really speaking about race and this country's racist dna. It wasn't about her winning it was about her bringing this much needed conversation.
Didnt Obama beat Hillary? Guess that political dynasty that consists of literally husband, wife, and Chelsea Clinton isnt exactly that strong lmao.
Please stop boogeyman posting about the Clintons. You make it sound like Bernie was up against the Kennedy's
No one is saying "all people in the South are bigots." What most who take issue with Sanders' statement are arguing is that the ~90% of white voters in Mississippi he discusses are probably racist.
That leaves you about 10% of white voters and, oh yeah, all of the black voters. Along with literally anyone else.
I find it rather curious this conflation of "90% of white voters in MS are racist" with "all Mississippians are racist" keeps happening. African-Americans are the backbone of Democratic support in the Deep South and kept Obama within 12% of Mitt Romney, no one is calling them racist and yet they are every much a part of Mississippi as the white working class Sanders spends so much time fetishizing.
Now this... this is some rhetoric. I don't think I've ever seen such a mixture of pretentiousness and loaded language in my life. Good lord. I'm going to throw up.
Is that your final answer? Because in the very post that initiated our exchange you said "yikes" to the suggestion that the majority of Southern White Americans are, in fact, bigoted.
Edit: I appreciate that Aaron is pointing out your construction of a strawman. It's easy to ignore what people are actually saying and instead attack the ridiculous notion of literally every single person in Miss being racist. The only problem is that I'm not sure there is anyone in this thread who has championed that rhetoric.
Remember when these are the same people that claim that Black voters are such ignorant sheep that we can be swayed by the husband of a candidate playing the saxophone on the
Arsenio Hall show 30 years ago.
Current democrats don't wanna make a case to poor whites because they see poor whiteness as a personal failure in this system. And it would require soul-searching on the part of corporate sponsored and funded policies of the party. Instead of linking the economic struggle of all the working class its easier to hand wave away these people as just racist and deserving of their misfortune. instead of seeing people turning to radical/dangerous ideology as a result of the violence that is poverty caused by democratic and republican policy and an indictment of capitalism like it is all over the world ( See Latin America, Africa and the Middle East and people turning to gangs here ) its looked at a failure of not taking advance of their whiteness.
big deal that's only like 45% of the state
the evil scary liberals actually make cases to poor white people all the time, it's just the poor white people prefer what the conservatives are saying. this is a Big Issue that the left is actually going to have to grapple with at some point instead of just plugging their ears and repeating their mantra about how the libs never campaign to poor white people.
I don't think anyone in this thread is saying Bernie is worse than Biden.
People are saying this is a fuckup, and he should work to be better. There's just been a stupid amount of pushback on this sentiment.
I'd like to invite all the Very Wise Internet Leftists in this thread to actually come down to Mississippi, and Alabama, because y'all seem to have the secret sauce that's guaranteed to persuade poor white people in the south to vote for leftist ideas and candidates and it'd be incredibly helpful for the movement.
I mean technically only 23.9% of the state's voting age population voted for Obama in 2012. 45.5% just didn't bother showing up, so who knows what their deal is.
Like seriously, this stuff is horrific. It actively enables these types of xenophobic assholes by pretending they're a star wars villain who just needs to be redeemed instead of people who actively and deliberately target minorities that need to be treated as the serious threat that they are to others' well-being. Poverty isn't causing Trump and his buddies to go after minorities, it's not why you have immigrants and black people systemically targeted here, it's not why India and China are both systematically targeting muslim minorities.
I really hope that this piece ends up helping some of you come to a realization on this stuff, because this "class is the root of all evil stuff" is just a fantasy appealing to the upper middle class and members of demographic majorities that is totally divorced from the way the actual world works.
They only brought that up because theyre voting for Bernie and Bidens the front runner.
They just wanted to remind us all that his candidate is better than the current front runner. You shouldnt even have to respond to posts from people who outfit their accounts like propaganda adverts during election season.
Ditto. It's part of a larger microcosm in general. White "progressives" in general seem to completely lack any sort of progressivism when it comes to racial issues.
There's a difference between "racism comes from a bad economy" and "it's easier to weaponize racism when the economy is bad," the latter of which has been shown time and time again for centuries. Secondly what Trump did was use the dysfunctional economy to focus that smoldering racist undercurrent, that has always been there, into a semi-facsist political force.
Yep it's fucking infuriating
Doesnt help that this thread is filled with people ignoring every election in those states
Pretty sure medicare, medicaid, social security, and other social programs are valued because they are incredibly beneficial to those who are financially insecure across the board. I don't think there is a way to convince a lot of poor, white Southerners to support that sort of agenda because of how anything "socialist" is blasted by the general political culture of the right. But if we are ever able to implement these programs at a functional capacity, I hope they will be protected in the same way.
The reason the "socialist" labeling works is because the real thing they're upset about is those programs going to the "other". They'd rather no one get anything than give things to nonwhite people as part of a universal program. LBJ had them pegged.
They specifically vote against the expansion of those programs
It's been depressingly eye-opening for me lately to realize just how many dyed-in-the-wool leftists are straight up racist.
So much truth. At this point its nearly 2 campaigns deep. I've given up on it.
Back 10-20 years ago this had merit. But the internet and smartphones has made it so easy to look beyond the horizon of liberals bad.
If you can't break out of the cycle of ignorance and hate by turning off the bullshit of AM radio and Fox News and taking a lookie-loo at reality that's more of a you problem.
If you can't break out of the cycle of ignorance and hate by turning off the bullshit of AM radio and Fox News and taking a lookie-loo at reality that's more of a you problem.
I'm not so sure what conclusion I should be getting from this thread. Should Democrats not attempt to go after the poor Southern White vote at all? If previous attempts by Democrats have failed, does that mean that at this point in time that demographic is a lost cause due to racism? If the social angle didn't work in the past, should it never be attempted again?
I ask this very sincerely as a Hispanic Bernie supporter. It's obviously important to never sacrifice our principals as progressives and give in to catering to racists, but surely there's gotta be a way to get enough non racists or even dupe some of the racists to get positive results for a Democratic presidential candidate in some of these southern states?
I ask this very sincerely as a Hispanic Bernie supporter. It's obviously important to never sacrifice our principals as progressives and give in to catering to racists, but surely there's gotta be a way to get enough non racists or even dupe some of the racists to get positive results for a Democratic presidential candidate in some of these southern states?
Economy is growing no faster than it was before he was elected and those racists are now fine with economic conditions.
The upper left quadrant and specifically in this case, that left edge on figure 2 is why you will see this despite the "left" label, as social and economic political axes are not the same at all. If you don't actually police yourself s https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond
It's also why the "economics is the only thing that matters" is such a gigantic red flag.