That's encouraging to hear. What do you think could be done to help counter the right-wing hold on the state?
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Bernie Sanders: Barack Obama won 10% of the white vote in Mississippi. That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats there
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Bombing Brown people, spying latino presidents and meddling in governments, How is that believe in goodness?
Edit: This was in fact dismissive of those critiques and I apologize. Withdrawing that comment.
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US imperialism is not part of the job, fuck off with this normalization of that.
It must be really great to be members on this board from these regions Obama bombed and have to continue reading posts that chalk up drone strikes as nothing but a stain on a record.
Crazy how thats a thing that people just ignore or downplay in this community. But yeah "innate goodness". Sure. Ok. Also what was the innate goodness in downplaying the flint crisis? What possible reason was there for him to do that?
The inherent goodness of people? He was a grown ass adult man and the president of the United States of America. He is responsible for the choices that were made. The good and the bad. You seem to really want to ignore all the really really bad. Being hamstrung by the bad faith Republican party/media can be attributed in many cases to both racism and then playing the game poorly on his part. Remember how the Republicans and Fox News all stopped their racist attacks after he had Henry Louis Gates meet with that racist cop to work out their differences? Oh yeah that didn't happen. They kept attacking him anyways. You say he was hamstrung from doing anything, but then act like the strategic choices he made had an impact. Like it wasn't the case that the reaction from the committed right wouldn't have been the same if he had said either "many cops are good people" or "abolish the police". In all those 8 years were their legit moments where a choice he had to make was tough? Yeah certainly, but again I feel like I need to keep pointing it out. Deportations, drones, financial crisis, continued wars and conflict leading to more deaths.
It's disingenuous to frame Obama as a man who has done nothing good as president and not a very flawed man stuck in a very flawed institution. There's plenty to attack him on, like drone strikes, but to reduce him to being identical to a Republican irresponsibly feeds into the "both sides are the same" narrative.
Given Bernie is on the record as not supporting reparations but is trying to reach the 90% that voted against Obama. He's more likely to tax Andre Young's wealth to help whites in the South than to advocate for reparations. Let that sink in as you want to calibrate the optics of the mistakes Bernie continues to make in advocating economic policy above racial and gender policies.
Hence why i don't like posting on this forum. Hence my earlier comment on black and white with 0 shades of grey.....hence my comment of calling all white people racist is ridiculous.....but doesnt get banned
Dumb comment by Bernie. He isnt getting any votes from the Sip for saying that.
Like what are viewers supposed to garner from this statement.
"Yeah, the dems failed to get the vote from 90 percent of the Missippian white electorate because they didnt appeal to their monolithic sense of [blank]"
This is a Biden tier gaffe. He should have kept this in drafts
Like what are viewers supposed to garner from this statement.
"Yeah, the dems failed to get the vote from 90 percent of the Missippian white electorate because they didnt appeal to their monolithic sense of [blank]"
This is a Biden tier gaffe. He should have kept this in drafts
Is there something wrong with what's being said here?
Racism isn't some absolute dichotomy. People can change, people can be informed. Education is a strong force. There's no gain from dismissing a state cause you think their people are irredeemable.
Racism isn't some absolute dichotomy. People can change, people can be informed. Education is a strong force. There's no gain from dismissing a state cause you think their people are irredeemable.
So, who's worse on race? Bernie or Biden? Cause the way I read the thread it seems like a lot of people would say Bernie. I find that really weird since Biden was good buds with segregationists in the 1970's. He even tried to justify it during this election cycle.
And that's not even mentioning Biden's role in the 1994 Crime bill. He wrote the damn bill and fought for it hard. He said some racist ass shit while doing that too. That bill ruined lives. It still ruins lives. Biden may have called the bill a mistake during this election cycle, but he also lied about it and minimized it's impact by saying it didn't increase the incarceration rates.
Bernie's statements here were distasteful maybe, but I'd trust him on race policies far more than I'd trust Biden. Biden is a racist by most people's standards. He may have cleaned up his act since being VP, but he has one of the worst records on race of any Democratic politician still around today.
And that's not even mentioning Biden's role in the 1994 Crime bill. He wrote the damn bill and fought for it hard. He said some racist ass shit while doing that too. That bill ruined lives. It still ruins lives. Biden may have called the bill a mistake during this election cycle, but he also lied about it and minimized it's impact by saying it didn't increase the incarceration rates.
Bernie's statements here were distasteful maybe, but I'd trust him on race policies far more than I'd trust Biden. Biden is a racist by most people's standards. He may have cleaned up his act since being VP, but he has one of the worst records on race of any Democratic politician still around today.
Mississippi was the lynching capital of America but I assume all those racists have just grown out of it
biden, but we should still criticize bernie for saying stupid shit
Bernie's not getting the massive long term operation required to accomplish this, he's got a few months to counter entrenched right wing dogma and racism.
What's there to gain by dismissing the efforts of democrats in the state, especially when you highlight the best year since 1976 as a failure.
User Banned (2 weeks): concern trolling and dismissing concerns of racism
Let's pre-arrest all their kids right now and put this whole racism thing to bed. Finally the good guys win.
Utterly naive if you think racism doesnt run deep in Mississippi and the fact that "racism" is a bad word doesnt change that.
So yes, "yikes".
Well, I think Bernie is technically better on race. I don't believe he's a racist, he's been on the right side of history when it comes to civil rights, it's just, he either truly believes this fantasy that all our negative race relations stem from class warfare or he's fully aware that's bullshit and is just trying to sell that to people who want to believe doing much needed social reforms will solve these problems without us needing to do any reexamining as a country and specifically addressing them. But either way as a Senator I'd trust his vote more than Bidens and as a President I'd trust him to be better at race than Biden in terms of actual policies but I don't know that he could ever be the adult in the room that could talk to the nation about racism. Then again I'm not sure the racist parts of America would listen to any President on racism so maybe that's unneeded?
Only on ERA would "Dems should try harder in Mississippi" be a more damning thing to say than "it's because they're all racist, Dems shouldn't bother"
Can you please explain how the best performance in Mississippi in decades that Barack Obama delivered highlights the failure of the Democrats.
Like the fact that he specifically name drops Obama is hilarious
People in this thread continuing to take the black vote for granted because who else are they gonna vote for, so it's okay to tell them to sit down while we coddle a handful of racists. If you want to reform racists and reach out to whites in Mississippi, you don't do it by handwaving away the racism and spitting in the face of your most dependable voters. I don't get why that's so hard to understand, unless you're okay with exploiting the desperation of black voters.
Another stupid post. Harkening back to Obama's campaign to vindicate him for not getting the majority of white votes in a deep south state with a long standing history of racism is ridiculous.
The fact that you lack the critical thinking to realize that thats the real issue with Bernie's statement is hilarious.
At what point in America's history did the majority of southern White Americans stop being racist?
Racism doesn't turn off like a switch, it happens gradually. Obviously a presidential candidate cannot say "Everyone from Mississippi is racist! And if you disagree you're a bigot!", and in my personal opinion I don't think it's beneficial for non-candidates to say that either.
while the 'centrists working toward the middle are scum' is constantly branded about.
And yet we need to do more to appeal to one of the most racist groups in the country?
Do we need to have a history lesson on why the State that lead the movement in disenfranchising African Americans had only 10 percent of the white electorate vote for the first black president?
Or are people actually going to pretend this isnt a gaffe and that evoking the first black president in this context is even remotely a good idea.
Anyway Bernie is just fishing for votes which is fine but this is just poor rhetoric. Ok, maybe its good rhetoric if you want to appeal to uneducated voters who unknowingly act on racial biases but hate being labeled racist.
Anyone who knows American history from 1865 to 1960 however, understands why this is a weird comment. Especially when its Mississippi of all states.
This is Yang mentioning white birth rates tier of appealing to White voter fragility
Or are people actually going to pretend this isnt a gaffe and that evoking the first black president in this context is even remotely a good idea.
Anyway Bernie is just fishing for votes which is fine but this is just poor rhetoric. Ok, maybe its good rhetoric if you want to appeal to uneducated voters who unknowingly act on racial biases but hate being labeled racist.
Anyone who knows American history from 1865 to 1960 however, understands why this is a weird comment. Especially when its Mississippi of all states.
This is Yang mentioning white birth rates tier of appealing to White voter fragility
Ok, so y'all fought a war, the south lost, and then the states that seceded the union joined back in, under the fucking confederate flag!?A reminder that this is the flag in Mississippi.
Like, what the actual fuck.
I'll make it easy for you. Give me a decade. In what ten year span of time did the majority of White Americans in the South stop being bigoted? You have a lot of strong opinions about racism in this country so this should be a simply question to answer.
Was his answer a response to someone asking him if 90 percent of white Mississippi voters were racist yes or no?
Mississippi politicians literally use "don't want your tax money going to Hinds county" as a political talking point ffs. If that's not racist then nothing is
That there is nothing wrong with that statement for you ignores that it is clearly a problem for many and perhaps instead of dismissing why his statement is problematic (specifically for the group of people he once again will need to snag the nomination he lost years ago) you should instead, idk, listen?
And its really fucked up on a perception level because that flag represents the epitome of American racism.
unfortunately for Bernie answering yes or no questions about alleged comments is a bit of a quagmire :/ (for others, not him)