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Bernie Sanders: Barack Obama won 10% of the white vote in Mississippi. That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats there
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not arguing that they don't.
see white non-college grad numbers.
appealing to the racists that vote for republicans is fine.
appealing to republicans so you can get their voters is bad?
Would have been nice for the OP to have said more than " Yikes" right? Provide some kind of personal contribution to steer the conversation beyond passive aggressive one-liners?
Yes, that would be nice.
If we went back in time to the original Obama campaign, then we would recall that late-term abortions was a HOT topic during the first decade of the new century.
I mean, so hot that allegorically, I saw some life-long friendships terminate (no pun intended), over whether or not to vote for Obama because of his (and his wife's) stance on abortion.
Yes, we're currently under a racist regime, and yes, the South is notoriously racist. These things are true. But to assume that Obama didn't get white votes because of racism alone is anachronistic.
90% of white people in the state. I like how we keep erasing 40% of the state's population.
Yes, yes, I've heard this bit. I do not believe that viewing things in terms of class struggle is mutually exclusive to being racist. Period. Bottomline. You might think the two are mutually exclusive but there's a huge amount of discounting of people's ability to hold hypocritical views in the face of anything because those views make them feel superior. Some people will always want to feel superior. So this entire line of argument you're bringing up here means nothing to me. Not even to mention that the assumption that these people as a whole are aware of policy specifics is a maaaaaaaaasssssssssiiiiiiiiivvvvvveee stretch.
On top of that, again, even bothering to give Mississipi the time of day as a democrat in 2020 is a waste of time and resources that could be used to convince the convincable.
I mean every movie i know that has Mississippi in the title has a burning cross on the poster
I don't think it's a 2020 strategy.
I don't believe that this video is current. I have a suspicion it's from the 2016.
Omg you know damn well that's what I meant and the topic is specifically about white people.
I have no doubt that Bernie normally comes from a "good place" when he puts his foot in his mouth on issues of race and women. The problem is he never seems to FUCKING LEARN!
I'm sure he was coming form a good place when he told Warren that was woman couldn't win. And shit like the statement in the OP is exactly why I have no doubt he said exactly that!
Bernie is, and always was a terrible Candidate. A well meaning one, but fucking terrible.
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reminds me of this.
of course it won't wipe out racism but does that mean we don't try? lol
Bernie is wrong
Obama lost Mississippi the least of any Dem in decades in 2012 and he did it with thr black vote.
90% of white mississippians may not be racist but 90% of the voting populace of white mississippians are more than happy to vote for racist candidates
Obama lost Mississippi the least of any Dem in decades in 2012 and he did it with thr black vote.
90% of white mississippians may not be racist but 90% of the voting populace of white mississippians are more than happy to vote for racist candidates
I don't know, the subtle hint that the only way for a white person to prove they're not racist in Mississippi is to vote Democratic is an interesting play
ill keep ignoring it probably since 90% of the people who live in Mississippi arent racist lol
this is the only sane position this imo
It wasn't really a good strategy in 2016 either.
Then why bring it up in regards to racism? Selling something as a cure-all smudges over the problem.
reminds me of this.
of course it won't wipe out racism but does that mean we don't try? lol
No, we have to criticize Democrats for not appealing to working class voters who express their economic anxiety by voting for the party that cuts billionaires' taxes.
Yeah this whole strategy is dumb. Why is he trying to court Mississippi voters? There's no chance he'll win it if he get's the nom. Instead of doing that, he should focus on fixing what caused him to lose the last time, aka the black vote, and trying to defend racist white people sure is an interesting way to go about it.
If Bernie thinks the path to winning 2020 is through the white vote
Lol
Democrats don't win the white vote. They win by getting everyone else out to vote for them.
Lol
Democrats don't win the white vote. They win by getting everyone else out to vote for them.
"MAYBE IF I STICK MY EARS IN MY FINGERS AND YELL LOUD ENOUGH THE TRUTH WON'T BE THE TRUTH."
Well, at least you've got a lot in common with the Trump voters in MS you're defending.
Are you sure they're voting for his policies? Like, really really sure?
Sure but expecting them to vote for him over Trump is a hilarious situation and failing to court the black vote in the state means he would lose more than Obama lost in 2012 so
He's not. He's literally not in Mississippi in that video. That video isn't about appealing to Mississippi. It's appealing to racists.
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actually they're wrong about Mississippi and im right. 'data' is when i pull from the totality of my anecdotal experiences to make ridiculous claims and other people just have to listen to it. if you disagree with me its because you 'have your fingers in your ears' or some shit idk
The only promising news re: the white vote is that Trump's numbers among non-college white women have been slackening. He'll probably still win them, but by single digits. (Some polls have shown Bidwn winning them.) Even keeping them by a small margin probably dooms him. And of course, he'll do even worse among college-educated whites this time.
But no, Democrats will not win the white vote for reasons well known to anyone with even scant historical knowledge.
I mean I don't think he said that Mississippi whites will flip the state for Ds. Just that progressives can do a better job.
One of many crazy racist things that goes on here. They elected a racist senator.A reminder that this is the flag in Mississippi.
Also this coming Monday I bet there's going to be some holiday for a confederate general or something to offer a reason for some white people that hate MLK to have a vacation off from work. Also next month is going to be some Confederate month, or that may be the month after, I don't keep up with Mississippi's shenanigans.
For people asking why reading theory helps you understand politics this would be that kind of time.
There are people who are undeniably prone to different forms of bigotry who DO NOT VOTE and could possibly be brought over on class concerns.
At the end of the day not the people in Mississippi but people like them across the country becoming activated is realistically the only way to break the domination of reactionary forces in the many levels of american politics.
Of all the people in the primary who is most likely to listen to and elevate those most dedicated to dismantling the institutional supports of white supremacy.
There are people who are undeniably prone to different forms of bigotry who DO NOT VOTE and could possibly be brought over on class concerns.
At the end of the day not the people in Mississippi but people like them across the country becoming activated is realistically the only way to break the domination of reactionary forces in the many levels of american politics.
Of all the people in the primary who is most likely to listen to and elevate those most dedicated to dismantling the institutional supports of white supremacy.
courting racist white voters require the idea that Minority voters will vote at the same level no matter what the Dem candidate does.
Because they're corporatist sellouts who don't court the work class enough right?
Bernie's got such a blind spot when it comes to the institutionalized racism of this country and society. He thinks we are better than we actually are, I guess he deserves credit for the optimism.
Only the people that might have believed themselves to be deplorable made a voting decision on that alone. In other words, deplorables. They were voting Trump all along and garnered sympathy from other trash. Hillary was screwed by an ancient, racist, anti democratic policy. She won the vote.
Golly.
Bernie Sanders shows his ass regarding racial issues.
What a shocking turn of events. This sort of thing never happens, so I'm really surprised. Gobsmacked, even.
Bernie Sanders shows his ass regarding racial issues.
What a shocking turn of events. This sort of thing never happens, so I'm really surprised. Gobsmacked, even.
This isn't the point.
The point is, in a place like mississipi if you can maintain the black vote, then you don't need to win the white vote you just need a little more, another 20% maybe, and you'd turn the state blue.
Are people interpreting this like Bernie want to sacrifice the black vote to win the white vote? Cause he literally says that you can't win the white vote in his statement. Getting 30% is still pretty shit. It's just enough, and realistically possible with effort.
But why would he think that
I get that you can't blame the voter if you're a politician soliciting votes and you can't claim everyone that votes for the GOP in Mississippi is a racist even though... lol
The most the dems got of the portion of the vote in a presidential election in Mississippi was in 2012 when Obama aggressively courted the black vote there. Why does this keep getting overlooked? The best performance we have from a Democrat since 1976 is with a black man going after the democratic base instead of racists.
Jim Hood ran a solid, well-funded campaign for governor on literally all of those issues you mentioned and lost to Tate Reeves badly. Reeves appealed to those voters by... opposing Medicaid expansion and calling it an Obamacare expansion.
You're blaming Democrats for not providing what Mississippians need when Democrats clearly can't get into power there by running on those issues. I'm all for calling out incompetence, but you're just looking for an excuse to shit on Democrats for something.
What effort can you convince white people in Mississippi to vote against the GOP. It has to be done with non-voters, minorities and the young. Not with people who flock go the GOP in overwhelming numbers because they're bigoted.
What are you implying? They're voting for Sanders because they think he's crypto-racist?
Not sure how this is failing to court the black vote. He's offering big policies that fight against racism as well as policies that directly help the impoverished and the working class, which I'd imagine includes a very large percent of the black residents of Mississippi. I don't think this is about winning verses Trump. It'd be incredible if that were possible, but I think this is more about putting us on the path towards getting white racists to vote against their racism for their own best interests as well as courting the less bigoted whites with policies that help everyone.
I'm glad we have a whole bunch of others better. Oh wait...
I love the first quote lmao. Blaming Democrats on things the Republicans ran for and voted for.