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Bernie Sanders: Barack Obama won 10% of the white vote in Mississippi. That speaks to very bad work done by Democrats there
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This should be a thread ender.
Food stamps didn't develop a negative connotation until white people realized that black people could get them, too.
Statement 1: Mississippi is one of the most racist states in the US
Statement 2: Its possible to, with enough effort, increase the number of white dem voters in Mississipi
arent both statements true?
It doesnt exactly ring to me as something particularly controversial
Statement 2: Its possible to, with enough effort, increase the number of white dem voters in Mississipi
arent both statements true?
It doesnt exactly ring to me as something particularly controversial
Mississippi Officially Abolishes Slavery, Ratifies 13th Amendment
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yep. This is the state that didn't ratify the 13th amendment abolishing slavery until 2013.
but you see, it's bad when Biden does it,
Erasing the racism of Mississippi? Fine
well yes, which is why there are inroads to appealing to WWC voters here.. that's all he is trying to do. another non-controversy
this is how I see it too. Bernie even directly addresses the fact that most of them are racist.
I'll tell you what I damn well please when I damn well please when you're running your mouth about shit you clearly don't know shit about.
Firstly, they do.
Secondly, Sanders literally skipped campaigning in the south after he lost South Carolina last primary.
Thirdly, the fuck's that gotta do with what percentage of Mississippi is racist fucks?
I don't think you're supposed to be angry I think you're supposed to scratch your head and think, "hmmm what else is it about Obama that could have created such a disparity? "
Well theoretically because Mississippi African Americans vote overwhelmingly democratic and if Bernie wins the nomination they may take this underthought statement as a low key insult and reduce enthusiasm.
I'd want to see if Obama also energized white GOP turnout as well as first term enthusiasm for Obama from African American voters - and also what fuckery the Mississippi GOP got up to with voter suppression.
Even the silly 10% number Bernie's thrown out is meaningless without more context for that entire election picture.
where does Bernie say racists are good people? you're stretching this a bit sis.
Biden out here on the other hand contemplating possibly picking a Republican VP. give me a break
I appreciate the response, especially since this language seems to be extremely prevalent in discussing issues related directly to white people. When it's time to discuss other ethnic groups people will say the name of the groups. But people, including Bernie, have used working class to describe white people, erasing all non-white people within this class.
yeah, it's pretty hypocritical when you realize how biden and sanders use the same sort of politics to appeal to these people
They don't have to. Biden is destroying Sanders among African-American voters without lifting a finger, and part of it is statements like this. Dude makes everything about class and slams the door on the possibility that the economically anxious Trump voters might actually just be racist.
Just to drill home the point here, Obama got a lower share of the white vote in Mississippi than Kerry. You know, Era's go-to example of a loser Democrat who no one liked?
No, he isn't. That's the reconciliatory shit candidates always say even though they never actually consider it.
yeah I think this is better than what Biden does. but either way it's better politically to give people the benefit of the doubt then say something like hillary's deplorable stuff.
Mississippi Officially Abolishes Slavery, Ratifies 13th Amendment
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"2013"
I get what he's saying here. That democrats don't try to compete in the state so its not all racism but man you can't just wash over how racist Mississippi can be. It sounds like he's trying to gloss over the racism. I know that's not his intent but that's how it comes off.
Is this the part where Bernie supporters come in to Bern-splan why we black folk shouldn't get upset with their Great white progressive savior?
The off topic community here is pretty great for calling out bullshit when they see it. Its not fooling anyone and honestly its having the opposite effect intended.
Probably because his conception of intersectionality is rooted in class and isn't unique from sects of race scholars who also hold that to be true.
I mean failed them how? By not catering to their white supremacist viewpoints?
by not providing them healthcare, by pricing them out of higher education and by slowing/stagnating class mobility.
Clearly adopting Bernie's platform of supporting the working class and raising Mississippi out of poverty so that Mississippi could be one of the poorest states.
I'm glad this OP, with only a video and "yikes", has fostered deep discussion as intended, and definitely wasn't posted simply to stir shit.
Agreed. This is at least a much better stance than, "Yep.90% are racist." Unless that is seriously the only thing Op wanted us to take out of this.
here's a thought
maybe by providing people with some of the poorest quality of life in the nation, with a better life, they will have the means to better education, better mental health, happiness, etc.... and probably over time become more tolerant.
there's a reason the most racist parts of the country are often also the most poorest and uneducated.
"Our 21-year-old son said the other night, 'I wonder if Joe Biden would consider choosing a Republican as a running mate," the woman added.
"The answer is I would, but I can't think of one now," Biden replied. "Let me explain that. You know there's some really decent Republicans that are out there still, but here's the problem right now ... they've got to step up."
yeah he might not seriously be, but this kind of response is enough of an endorsement.
Well he did say people who refuse to vote for black politicians aren't racist so that was neat
In fairness he did walk those comments back, which is apparently something you're allowed to do when you're Bernie Sanders.
Which is fucked up because it was created by a black woman explaining how black women had been excluded from the feminist movement. Shout out to Bell Hooks
it'd be interesting to see Hillary's numbers in this regard. Did some googling and couldn't find anything.
He's glossing over racism in Mississippi of all states a state that continues to vote for politicians that stopped Medicaid expansion, cuts benefits, etc because a large portion of the white community hate black people.
I don't really believe so no.
But I always wonder what the progressive solution is to white people in impoverished southern states? Ignore them and try to overwhelm their votes at a federal level with votes from the coasts? Just stop campaigning there forever and let it go Republican in perpetuity? Or do we get super extreme and start asking ourselves if we should just cut some states out of the union?
This response has been the bog-standard type of response to this question in American politics forever. It means nothing, it's a polite answer to a silly question.
I'm not getting the sense that posters are creating "hit threads" for Bernie or other candidates. People see a piece of news that they find worthy to discuss. Stepping away from my online communities, no one I know is finding the recent news of candidates to feel unwarranted. I feel like a lot of energy is going into the click-rate economy to get people online to furiously discuss topics without actually trying to influence new voters.
The exception would be how CNN handle questions soon after releasing an article that, if I'm understanding correctly, is still being uncovered.
The exception would be how CNN handle questions soon after releasing an article that, if I'm understanding correctly, is still being uncovered.
I already typed a question about enthusiasm and voter manipulation that should make it obvious that 10% is meaningless without the entire context - a fact which might harm or help Bernie's argument but that isn't disposable.
This is historically backwards. Racism shredded the national social safety net and put us where we are now in the first place.
lots of white racists in other states voted for Obama, what's the difference between those states and Mississippi?
A dem presidential candidate winning Miss is at least a generation away, maybe 2. Here's to hoping for more dems on the state and local level, but if you are a dem lucky enough to win in Miss you are going to be siding with the GOP tons, so, Bernie is right in that we need to focus a lot more on messaging of policy.
you mean when all Republicans need to do to cut programs and funding is to advertise to the state that Black people also use X and Y services?
and the white voting population of the State agree with republicans and vote accordingly?
how is Bernie going to solve this phenomenon?
Should he just have said "Fuck you racist losers, I'm not even trying here"