My problem is simply the retweet.
I couldn't care less if Rogan embraces the guy. Great become leftist. Awesome.
Talk to me when your a not trans-phobic Rogan.
Is the problem supposed to be that Bernie is signal boosting Rogan by making this ad? Surely it's the other way around?
That is...not a good defense at all dude.Many people would not have seen that clip/podcast because the guest was Bari Weiss.
known transphobe Joe Rogan endorses Bernie Sanders, in stark contrast to known transphobe Hillary Clinton
Kind of a bizarre move to do this during the Dem primary, it would have made more sense during the general. Joe is a moron who should be kept at arms' length outside of that.
Other than that, only Nixon could go to China.
known transphobe Joe Rogan endorses Bernie Sanders, in stark contrast to known transphobe Hillary Clinton
It's not the point of this thread but she is a TERF and has been open about itSo transphobic, she was the first SoS to let trans people change their gender markers.
hmm, I'm surprised about that actually. with that big of a difference I'd agree. is Joe Rogan really active on Twitter?
No doubt there is some cross over in the vein diagram of their supporters but I'd be shocked if all 10mil of Bernie's twitter followers are Rogan fans. Going on the show is one thing but tweeting out this endorsement ad is signal boosting.
Just curious, what is your intention with that? Simple curiosity or essentially learning their typical arguments in order to debunk them?
It's not the point of this thread but she is a TERF and has been open about it
hmm, I'm surprised about that actually. with that big of a difference I'd agree. is Joe Rogan really active on Twitter?
neither are running
Regardless of whether or not Bernie had reposted the clip (which, honestly, he probably shouldn't have since I think it was doing work on its own), even Rogan just saying he'll vote for Bernie brings so many more potential voters to him than if he had, say, been endorsed by the NYT (especially in the context of what they recently did). I'm really not a fan of Rogan and think he sucks ass, but Bernie's appearance on his podcast a few months back also seems to have led a bunch of Rogan's listeners to look at him more positively, at least based on a lot of the comments.
Much like here, I generally veer away from Political threads, other than a cursory glance. Trump fans are... something else.
Here like reading discussions and news articles etc. Lotta enlightened reads here.
There I go for laughs mostly, cause they are big into memes etc. Laugh out loud at stuff there frequently. But it's a bodybuilding forum, so I originally went there for health info (which I got in abundance, losing 70 pounds etc.)
Politically this makes sense. Joe Rogan isn't really seen as a toxic figure for most of the general public. The world isn't ResetERA.
It's like a newspaper endorsement, but for a time where nobody reads newspapers anymore.This frightens me more than anything else in this thread. It's not like the people that listen to Rogan don't have the time to do this research themselves. It's incredibly disappointing that people will only rethink things if one of these bigger "content creators" advises them to do so. Are we going to get to a point where everyone just votes the way the most followed personalities on various websites do?!
It's kind of just the way the world works in an age of influencers. Not saying it's particularly great, but people like Rogan have a huge amount of pull. Definitely more than most newspapers or politicians when it comes to "endorsements."This frightens me more than anything else in this thread. It's not like the people that listen to Rogan don't have the time to do this research themselves. It's incredibly disappointing that people will only rethink things if one of these bigger "content creators" advises them to do so. Are we going to get to a point where everyone just votes the way the most followed personalities on various websites do?!
Hillary sucks too though.known transphobe Joe Rogan endorses Bernie Sanders, in stark contrast to known transphobe Hillary Clinton
It's like a newspaper endorsement, but for a time where nobody reads newspapers anymore.
Listen to every joe episode and spend most of my internet time on here and it's always hilarious how wrong you guys are about Rogan but idc enjoy what you like. It's just incredibly obvious it's the non listeners barking loudest
super glad he put his weight behind Bernie, yet hilariously y'all still complain lmao
It's kind of just the way the world works in an age of influencers. Not saying it's particularly great, but people like Rogan have a huge amount of pull.
The confusion is at the hostile defense of why someone would take issue with Bernie Sanders retweeting a known transphobe.
It really isn't hard to see why some won't like this.
Listen to every joe episode and spend most of my internet time on here and it's always hilarious how wrong you guys are about Rogan but idc enjoy what you like. It's just incredibly obvious it's the non listeners barking loudest
super glad he put his weight behind Bernie, yet hilariously y'all still complain lmao
Definitely agree about that last part, but I think you can say all of this about an outlet like the New York Times as well.I don't think it's quite the same thing although I do understand the analogy. Newspapers are local in nature, they should concern themselves with how a given politician would affect their communities. I can't really understand what Rogan concerns himself with, but it's certainly not the betterment of a community, at least in my limited experience with him.
For sure. I'm gonna be honest, I only posted that because I got annoyed seeing some posters who were head over heels defending Hillary the other day repeatedly say "known transphobe Joe Rogan" in this thread. They are both bad and I don't think people should listen to either of them.
lets not act like older generations were critical thinkers.Only because we have a generation who were not raised to be critical thinkers and allow influencers to sway there personal thoughts.
People have posted videos of him doing the things they're accusing him of doing. What are people wrong about exactly?
lets not act like older generations were critical thinkers.
they voted Trump.
I do find it interesting that people claiming to not listen to him also seem to be experts on his thoughts and beliefs. Almost like they following the opinion of what influencer they choose to believe, told them to believe
In your country yes. The entire world was not raised that way in previous generations. I grew up in the country that was first to give women the vote, first female prime minister, first openly trans member of parliament and we were taught to be critical thinkers.
Him doing things that aren't scientifically proven doesn't mean he isn't open to being wrong. If anything him changing diets every so often (I never knew he was on all meat diet) proves he is the opposite. Even if it's for the worse as in this particular case. He is open to the worst of claims suggestions as well as some good. It's why a lot of people hate him to begin with. He's open to "both sides". Although despite some of his bigoted views he's much more left leaning than people will admit on here.He's still shitting himself with his new all meat diet, because he "feels like he has more energy", and you claim he's open about being wrong?!
Idk I think every little bit helps. I'm not privileged enough to really care enough about these purity tests.
I agree!Definitely agree about that last part, but I think you can say all of this about an outlet like the New York Times as well.
For sure. I'm gonna be honest, I only posted that because I got annoyed seeing some posters who were head over heels defending Hillary the other day repeatedly say "known transphobe Joe Rogan" in this thread. They are both bad and I don't think people should listen to either of them.
People have been easily influenced by media for decades. Stuff like the Nixon-Kennedy debates, the stark contrast on how Americans viewed the Vietnnam War vs previous wars like Korea due to broadcast footage, and the influence of radio on how politicians addressed the public to better appeal to the "common man" show how powerful media has been. And it's a world wide thing, there's a reason politics follows so many advertising and pop culture trends.Only because we have a generation who were not raised to be critical thinkers and allow influencers to sway there personal thoughts.
The lengths that some Bernie fans are taking to justify this are boggling my mind.
If Hillary had gotten Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity to endorse her you know she'd be tweeting that shit.
In this thread: People completely missing the amazing news that Rogan is encouraging his historically right-lite audience to vote for an open socialist, and acting like Bernie should turn down the support of someone with an audience of millions who is genuinely engaging with him as a candidate.
I don't like Rogan whatsoever and he has a lot to answer for but many, many takes have been lukewarm here. If Hillary had gotten Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity to endorse her you know she'd be tweeting that shit.
I guess that's kind of the heart of it. Not everyone sees these as "gaffes" -- particularly if they are effective in a political context. And not everyone sees these moments as somehow supplanting issues of race and gender. He is not compromising his policies to score votes with Rogen's audience, he's not becoming a TERF or TERF-like; the transgression, instead, is something more subliminal in moments like this, a refusal to condemn for fear of alienating which some see as tacit endorsement. He wants that big tent, which would be particularly beneficial in a general election.I actually believe in free healthcare and free college tuition and/or vocational training. I just hate the tendency to disregard Bernie's continual gaffes in putting his economic policies above issues of race and gender.
Ironically, even in that video where he's praising Bernie you can tell he's also subtly throwing shade at movements like #metoo. The fuck can't help himself.I can only speak for myself, but I've watched/listened to five episodes of his podcast and I found it disappointing how he didn't press people to back up their opinions. He just let them say whatever they wanted to say without challenging it. I've argued with a friend of mine who disagrees with me on this, but I think anyone has a responsibility to their audience to challenge people's beliefs when they come on a program one is hosting. Especially in the case of the people that Rogan has had on, which in some cases, are outright white supremacists, or on the fringe.
To add to that, the evidence posted here and in previous threads is pretty damning. It'd be one thing if Rogan walked it back and said that he said those things, they were hurtful and he doesn't believe them anymore and that he's sorry. I haven't seen that from him though.
known transphobe Joe Rogan endorses Bernie Sanders, in stark contrast to known transphobe Hillary Clinton
I'll have to concede one thing though, Bernie could've won without the retweet. He didn't have to do the retweet.
I will certainly be interested to compare this thread to the one that will be made when Hillary endorses the nominee and see which names are in common