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Bernie really out here cutting ads with Joe Rogan's endorsement (SEE STAFF POST)
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She wanted on his show as well. Appearing on his platform is signal boosting, no?
Since you are interested in talking about trans issues, could you perhaps explain to me how Warrens trans policies are superior to Bernie's?
I didn't read it that way. The first tweet was an illustration for the potential electoral benefits of the endorsement, and maybe some overly hopeful sentiments about Rogan's ability to funnel people in a more positive political direction.
The second tweet I think was just a nice dig on the msm with regard to platforming and rehabilitating shitty people even more Rogan's show does. A la:
Calling a theater full of black people "Planet of the Apes" isn't bigoted? News to me.
This is one single example in a long line of them.
Fuckin this.
I'm voting for whoever the fuck ends up being the Dem candidate, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about the normalization of shitlords like Rogan. The age of Trump is fucking terrible and continues to lower standards across the board.
Biden has a long history of pandering to bigots with actual policy. Bernie went on Rogan and didn't do anything to pander to his audience. His policies remain extremely progressive on all fronts.
If Bernie started changing his positions not to scare off racists, or rather, directly pander to them, it would be different.
Rogan said it. On you whether you believe him I guess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTHdLiEXtc
You're right. Because he didn't endorse her. If your gripe is just with the tweet using the video, then I get it. But you made it sound like you also had issue with even trying to speak with a "transphobe for more votes", which is what I was addressing.
From Rogan himself. If she found the idea of appearing on his show so repugnant, the prudent thing to do would be to refute it.
Calling Rogan not a bigot is so weird. Anyone who actually listens to him knows that is true.
I would hope Rogan would say he is voting Biden if Biden gets the nomination. I hope everyone with an audience will say who ever the dem nominee is, is getting their vote. I also hope Rogan gets educated on trans issues, I really don't think he has ever had someone on that would give him the reality that these people have to live in. Instead every time he talks about trans people it usually goes back to stupid low-hanging jokes.
Ok...you just linked Warren's plan. You mentioned that she is the superior candidte on trans policies, you are welcome to explain why
As a person with (actual) Native American ancestry, Warren seems pretty awful on race issues so maybe not the best example
listen it's okay to signal boost guys who says being around black men and women as being in "Planet of the Apes" so long as some middle class white men and women can get free health insurance while working at Walmart and not have to worry about paying their student loans for their philosophy degree.
The costs of maintaining an electoral coalition aren't often paid up-front
I mean I'm not particularly enthused to vote for Rogan either frankly
No, he's a bigot. Seeing clips is enough to deduce that; don't need to listen to him regularly like you appear to.
Oh this is something
That's all someone else in the thread gave me as an explanation as to why Bernie was better. *shrugs*
can't wait for Bernie to change his position to appease *checks notes* Joe Rogan
But they're always advertised up front. Bernie's been pretty damn clear on his platform and there is no bigotry in his policies.
No, I don't, necessarily think it's a good idea to talk to Joe Rogan. But whatever. Making a video about how proud you are of his endorsement is fuckin' gross, and just affirms, to me, that not voting for Bernie is the right decision. He'll throw me under the bus to win the presidency. Who's to say he won't do it again the next time he wants to win something?
He doesn't believe that trans athletes should compete with cis athletes.
However you cut it, there's nothing to be proud of when you resort to "he's a bigot but he's useful".
I am not that person though. You can do better than just linking a link, especially with a set of issues that are incredibly important to trans, enbies and gnc folks.
The claim that Biden, Buttigieg, Warren etc. want to appear on Rogan's show is one made by a single source. Specifically, Rogan himself. Are you sure of its veracity?
Would love to see this endorsement thing lead to Bernie going on Rogan's show and call him out on his bigotry. But I doubt that would happen. Bernie really does need to step it up and take a minute to stop talking about social programs, and make it clear that he will fight for minorities and marginalized people.
I actually believe in free healthcare and free college tuition and/or vocational training. I just hate the tendency to disregard Bernie's continual gaffes in putting his economic policies above issues of race and gender.
User Banned (1 month): dismissing transphobia
Can someone actual document that, cause yes I'm an idiot and I'm not sure what people are getting at.
I do know he's very against trans athletics, but as far as i know thats where the line stops and everything else is kosher. Is that a deal breaker in the trans community?
He literally just had on a gay powerlifter for a 3 hour session and seemed chummy. Has he ever had a trans guest on?
I respect how you feel, but Bernie has not changed a single iota of his policy to gain this endorsement.
*shrugs* going through both pages, Warren has much more to say about LGBTQ rights than Bernie does, and I feel like her response, and plan, is more comprehensive, and thought out, while Bernie just seems perfunctory, like something he has to do, rather than something he actually cares about.
Do I wait till he changes his policy before I get angry, then? Please, cisplain to me when I can angry.
I thought a direct source would be sufficient and I added that it's on you whether you believe him.
I finally get the appeal of Warren changing her policies in real-time, while Bernie...
... hasn't changed his policies in 50 years.
Literally this. You can like and support Bernie while also seeing that the ad is bad.
rogan endorsing bernie on his show is a transphobe boosting bernie. bernie making an ad out of the endorsement is bernie boosting a transphobe.
Presumably Bernie wants to build an electoral coalition that would outlive his own presidency, and would elect Democrats up and down the ticket, otherwise his talk of political revolution would ring hollow
Again, what are the costs of maintaining such a coalition in the long term, including post-Bernie?
I'm not sure there's really a huge difference here, both of these situations the candidate is trying to win by dealing with some shitty people. Whether you think Rogan is as shitty as the average Republican is another thing entirely.
There is room for nuance: "hey it's really great Bernie's ideas got in front of so many people but it's unfortunate that it took going on Joe Rogan's podcast when he's known for introducing people to real shitty people."
Edit: Also I sideeye anyone using the term 'leftist', I mostly hear it from alt-right assholes when they call leftists 'beta cucks' and the like.
That's the problem with having candidates that are all old as fuck white folks. At the end of the day, they are incredibly out of touch.
I yearn for the day we get a Presidential contender who is younger and a true progressive. Can we just elect AOC as soon as humanely possible?
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