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Bernie really out here cutting ads with Joe Rogan's endorsement (SEE STAFF POST)
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The debate is a lot of us don't feel this is a fuck up. I can understand why people would be upsset over this, but I feel this is overall a boon for Sander's election chances.
He hasn't just talked about it. He's yelled about how its is basically a "man fighting a woman". In addition to that he's spread bullshit about children trans care spreading lies that it chemically castrates them and its mutilation. He's a terrible, horrible person when it comes to this shit.
it's not a conspiracy theory to suggest that a bunch of former Republican voters, deliberately choosing to vote in the Democratic primary to "own the libs," are not actually that likely to go ahead and vote for that candidate when they are actually up against the Republican they voted for already lol
as I said, what gives you the idea they will actually vote for Bernie in the general
Running as a racist in the general would help his chances too. Is that what you want?
Yep, thats right. Thats exactly what I want. You figured it out.
Which "this" do you mean? Getting an endorsement, or signal-boosting Rogan on Twitter and elsewhere?
The endorsement. I really don't see why Bernie advertising he got the endorsement of a HUMONGOUS podcast host is such a big deal. Its not like he's making Joe a cabinet member or some shit. I don't like Joe either, but there's somethign to pay attention to when the fact that this is generating 10 times the amount of buzz that endorsement from the NYTimes gave, which was laughed at and did nothing for Warren and Klobacher
He's promoting an endorsement from a guy you can't event endorse on this site because he's such a shitbag! The fuck are you doing dismissing these people's reactions?
The OP is about signal boosting and ads. I think that's what most folks are bent out of shape about
I literally just said "I understand why people would be upset over this." Its okay to disagree on if this is a good political move or not. Look at the Staff post. It says it right there.
Sorry, are you saying most women support Sanders, or are you saying Bernie's coalition is majority women and people of color?
Why are they listening to a racist transphobic podcast
You added a "but' right after it dude. "I get why people are upset over transphobia and racism but" And don't bring in the staff post when I'm following it just fine. Otherwise report me.
but I can't disagree with differing opinions or find them distasteful? cool
Apparently disagreeing isn't a part of debating or having a different opinion lol
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Rogan a bigot? Have any of you ever even listened to him or just regurgitate what your told?
The same reason Warren and Biden tried to get booked on it, apparently, because it has an insane demographic spread. One episode might be Joe showing his ass with another comedian and doubling down on all of his -isms, but another might have on Matt Taibbi or Dr. Cornel West or Robert Downey Jr.
Medicare for All accommodates gender reassignment surgery, so it's great that Joe and presumably some number of his transphobic audience will be voting for him. Bernie hasn't given an inch to that crowd (for many reasons, but also because they still won't make up any significant portion of his base), so it probably isn't something worth worrying about. People interested in seeing Trump out of office should be really happy, in fact!
Exactly. Are all of these people seriously going to say with a straight face that if Warren had retweeted an endorsement from Rogan it would be no big deal because a win is a win?
He didn't call a theater full of black people planet of the apes?
The latter.
Why is white supremacy a dominant ideology in western culture? Why is transphobia such a dominant trend? Most people aren't thinking about these things, especially when they consume media. This is the shit we have to deal with, and casting aspersions in favor of engaging in politics with the fraction of people we can reach isn't the solution.
and, anyway, most of the people really mad about this already hate Bernie, so it isn't like he has anything to lose. Getting someone like Joe Rogan on board with Sanders is a huge boon to progressive causes precisely because of all the reasons people find him problematic.
That is true of every single candidate running for president, including Donald Trump.
probably because a lot of people are racist and transphobic and a bunch of other people are always ready to say no actually they aren't
Of course, but the conversation was about a very specific and silly assumption.
so we should engage with some of the people who argue the latter! right! you get politics.
No. A lot of the people who are mad about this are the marginalized groups that Rogan has directed his bigotry toward. You can't handwave away this unforced error as salty anti-Bernie people.
Right, and since your statement is true of every candidate, including Donald Trump, it does nothing to dispel that assumption. Would you say Donald Trump is obviously not prioritizing bigots, since his coalition is majority women and people of color?
It's interesting that you took the revelation that your statement is meaningless so in stride. Did you know that the statement is meaningless when you attempted to offer it as devastating evidence?
That's what I'm doing, with you, right now. Stop covering up for racists and transphobes. You're making the world worse!
He's still pretty open about regurgitating transphobic garbage about athletics and puberty blockers for teens. Sanders may not be compromising his principles by going on the show but let's not act like Rogan is some intellectual marvel or a shining beacon of hope for the future. He's just a bulkier Howard Stern
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For the people who are out of touch, what's wrong with Joe Rogan? I read some info in this thread but he sounds like an oke guy?
Does Donald Trump have a platform that is specifically designed around remuneration for marginalized and underprivileged people? Does he have a history of supporting anti-racist and queer and trans causes?
Who's covering who now? Ah, nevermind. We should engage only with those who have our very specific set of beliefs. The rest of the electorate, those nebulous masses swimming in ideological contradiction should never be engaged, should never be offered clarification. Progress sprouts from the flowers and the trees. Wonderful news.
Excluding his wealth and fame he is about as regular a dude for his age that I can think of. That includes his racism and transphobia. Doesn't mean those aspects of him aren't shitty but the take that he is some kind of extremist says more about how much of a bubble some people are living in.
He has a history of racist commentary and is a major purveyor of transphobic talking points. Beyond that he's also just a clueless rube in general
Lmao way to assume that I have no skin in the game either (I'm Latino and my wife is Iranian). Personally, as someone who hates Joe Rogan and basically agrees with everyone in the thread that he sucks, the dude has a huge audience of impressionable men. It's an extremely good thing for basically any marginalized person in this country if Bernie gains votes from transphobes/bigots/whatever because he is doing so without budging an inch on his insanely progressive platform. I swear to god, I have an annoying/maddeningly apathetic childhood friend who swears byJRE and has already registered as a democrat to vote in the CA primary. That's a great thing!
I didn't make any assumptions. I stated the truth. Read this thread or check twitter to see how many trans and black people thought that this was unnecessary and potentially dangerous to signal boost someone like Rogan.
Edit: I'll just add again that this was an unforced error. Rogan made the endorsement, Sanders could have let it be. Rogan would have spread it among his fans himself. But Sanders chose to put the concerns of those affected by Rogan's bigotry aside to capitalize on the endorsement. He didn't need to do it. The endorsement would have helped him without the ad.
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He gets shitty people on his podcast and instead of debating them and challenging them to expose how shitty they are, he does not not care and the guests actually get more fans due to being exposed them. Basically he gives them a platform.
It remains to be seen how Bernie handles this. If he can actually get a lot of these people to vote for him and change then what he did would be a good thing. Joe Rogan would still suck at the end of the day. He is a useful tool to people wanting exposure. Hopefully this time it actuslly get used for good instead.
It's interesting that you edited out my question to you as to whether you were being deliberately deceptive, and changed the subject to avoid admitting that your original statement is meaningless and carries no weight.
Not a Rogan fan but I'd take his endorsement over NYT with their history of racism, anti-Semitism, warmongering, etc. If I had to pick one that has turned more minds to regressive thought it would be them. I believe Warren and Klobuchar should rebuff their endorsement, personally.
It's interesting that you edited the statement in after I replied. Or while I was replying. Or maybe that's just as innocuous as my missing it. No gotchas here.
In any case, it's a silly question. It wasn't meant as devastating evidence, only to challenge the assumption that Bernie would be trade his hard-earned support for whatever my compatriot was imagining. The thought was incomplete and underdeveloped. I'm sorry to you, my dear pigeon, that I didn't clarify the thoughts for your specific ruberic.
Ugh, it's incredible to me that the Democratic platform and candidate is now being decided by more asshole men and y'all think that's ok. And that some of y'all are so quick to cast aside the actual minorities who vote in every Democratic election because white men's votes are more important than ours. This is the primary, not general election. Bringing a group of men who already wouldn't vote for a woman or person of color doesn't help people like me, a black woman. That's why many of us don't trust Sanders or his supporters. How can I expect him to put my interests on the table once he's in?
Edit - and by asshole men, I mean Rogan fans.
Edit - and by asshole men, I mean Rogan fans.
Biden has said bigoted things and has bigoted supporters, will we reject his endorsement if Bernie wins the nom just so we can feel good about ourselves?
Personally I'm choosing to vote how the majority of POC voters are choosing to vote in the primary and voting for the Rogan-backed candidate.
"Nazis are ok in the coalition as long as they're economically left" is what those people are saying.
This is not true in the slightest.
Where on earth is this ridiculous talking point coming from?
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I'll mention it a third time. You are not on to something. This isn't a smart idea, and sounds like it could come right out of a Republican's mouth if you just exchanged a few words.
Americans don't really vote. IIRC Only 50 percent of the country does. So much research has gone into trying to find mass groups of people committing voter fraud. The always come empty handed. Republicans desperately want to stoke fear that the opposite side is cheating in mass. All they need is one example. It never happens.
Republicans, on the other hand, have the craziest, most fanatic base. Surely they must be committing voter fraud, or some type of super strategic voting, in huge numbers? After all, the democrats are crazy baby killers. Best example I could find is Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Choas." It was his effort to get Republican voters to vote for Hillary in '08 primary because Obama was leading. Yadayadayada. Who cares. It was dumb. Point is, nothing came of it. I tried to find articles that talked about its effect. Couldn't find any that brought it up, after it was first announced though. No one cared. I finally found an article published years after '08.: https://www.researchgate.net/public...Evidence_from_Rush_Limbaugh's_operation_chaos
Person seems legit. Found it had no impact.
Now, Trump's supporters are a special variety. Even then, the most I could find are very isolated cases of Trump voters voting twice because R's scared them with propaganda: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...d-voting-twice-trump-pleads-guilty/459718001/
In the end, nothing is notable.
Point is, people don't troll vote. People don't even strategically vote. People don't go out of their way to do anything. They can barely get up to vote the normal way, much less follow any plan to "own the libs".
If the craziest, most dependable voters on the planet (because they do vote every time) NEVER do shit like this, why the hell do you think Joe Rogan's uninspired base is gonna do anything remotely like you suggest? Why do you think they would walk all the way out to Iowa in below freezing weather just to "own the libs", and caucus for Bernie Sanders. These people don't even feel like their votes matter, let alone that trolling for them will matter.
The most boring, yet correct answer, is, if a Joe Rogan fan votes for Bernie Sanders in a primary, they are gonna vote for him in the general election. Because that's what everyone does.
I don't want to come off as defending Joe Rogan here but...you really think the entirety of his listeners are Nazis? Because thats a lot of Nazis if so.
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