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Bernie implies Obama endorsement in new ad
- Thread starter Syriel
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There was a poster on this very board who said Obama was irrelevant....
LOL
Sanders should have been running this ad since the beginning.
LOL
Sanders should have been running this ad since the beginning.
i'm confused, i could have sworn that unless one specific person won the primary, it means that empathy is a lie and the human race is beyond saving
This seems like a likely backfire and it's just an odd play given that in his speech last night, Sanders distanced himself from Biden on many key issues ... many of which were issues of the Obama Administration or laws that Obama signed as president that Biden supported. Obama is also often the target of attacks by some of Sanders' supporters so this is an odd play.
Beyond that ... is the fairly compelling story that even while Obama campaigned for Bernie in Vermont in 2006 for Bernie's senate bid, Sanders did not go onto endorse or campaign for Obama in 2008... And then, at least according to two accounts, was entertaining a primary challenge to Obama in 2012 before being talked down by Harry Reid.
www.theatlantic.com
Obama and Sanders do not have a strong relationship, so impyling they do is a real stretch.
Beyond that ... is the fairly compelling story that even while Obama campaigned for Bernie in Vermont in 2006 for Bernie's senate bid, Sanders did not go onto endorse or campaign for Obama in 2008... And then, at least according to two accounts, was entertaining a primary challenge to Obama in 2012 before being talked down by Harry Reid.
The Hidden History of Sanders’s Plot to Primary Obama
Democrats’ previous president and maybe their next one have a particularly fraught relationship.
www.theatlantic.com
Obama and Sanders do not have a strong relationship, so impyling they do is a real stretch.
People getting on Bernie's case for this after Biden and Bloomberg have ran solely on Obama's coattails are showing their true colors.
None of those candidates are running an insurgent campaign against the establishment tho.
And that makes it okay because... ?
If the problem is that the act is misleading it is exactly as misleading as their ads. If you're trying to pull a "people on the left criticize obama and yet sanders touts support" that's not an argument I find very interesting
Daniel Dale on Twitter
“This ad leaves out context. The 1st part, from 2016, deletes a line where Obama said he doesn't know Sanders as well as Clinton. The 2nd part is from 2006, not 2016, as the closing "Feel the Bern" snippet that is indeed from 2016 may suggest. https://t.co/mVrODfhk5b”
twitter.com
Cause they don't look like hypocrites......?
Honestly I am fine with this. Yeah no doubt it's not very genuine, but the sad reality is sometimes you gotta play the same ball game others are playing in order to get ahead. I only wish he did this sooner. We all want to put Bernie on a pedestal and pretend he's some white knight who will do no wrong but he needs to get his hands a little dirty from time to time imo.
Probably a good idea to lead with instead of waiting till you got shellacked.
Um am I misunderstanding how these primaries work? Isn't voting finished? Why do this...
Edit: Maybe I'm thinking voting is over in my state but other states it isn't yet?
Edit: Maybe I'm thinking voting is over in my state but other states it isn't yet?
Since Biden also has his own sketchy ad, sure. Riding coattails isn't the issue. But riding coattails is going to go over better with voters if they believe you like the guy wearing the coat. Sanders probably hates Obama (one certainly could never argue he likes him or supports him in any way).
Once Sanders established himself as standing against Obama, it's kinda hard to then say "Obama likes me, and I'm a big fan of his too."
Bloomberg's political legacy isn't built on distancing himself from Obama as much as possible. Same with Warren.
I don't think it's bad that Bernie is doing it, I just think there's something worth pointing out when he sinks to the same tactics his opponents use that some of his more fervent supporters act like are beneath him (until he does them, of course, then it's completely justified). At the end of the day, he's a politician, and he is not above doing politician things.
ngl, I respect the hustle
He got plenty of flak for that too
all candidates do this, it's just funny coming from Bernie given his open disdain for Obama
None of that seems like important context
He got plenty of flak for that too
all candidates do this, it's just funny coming from Bernie given his open disdain for Obama
Daniel Dale on Twitter
“This ad leaves out context. The 1st part, from 2016, deletes a line where Obama said he doesn't know Sanders as well as Clinton. The 2nd part is from 2006, not 2016, as the closing "Feel the Bern" snippet that is indeed from 2016 may suggest. https://t.co/mVrODfhk5b”
Cause they don't look like hypocrites......?
None of that seems like important context
Come on cut the malarkey.
Bernie is clearly good friends with all the Senators. They campaigned for each other.
He doesn't have open disdain for Obama.
My argument is entirely about the value of this ad. Activists know Sanders' history with Obama. That's been the lay of the land for years now. A quick search on this ad will not be kind to the argument it's making (that Sanders and Obama are tight; they aren't).
The primary season starts with Iowa and is a rolling wave of one-offs like the first 4 states and days like yesterday where a ton of states go. Only 14 states have voted (and various territories).
This would've been a savvy ad when he was in the ascendancy. Just seems a bit desperate now. Plus his ardent fans aren't going to like it. Tough to see it moving the needle at this point without a wholesale change in style.
If he'd have played this kind of game a bit more over the last 4 years though this might be a closer contest
If he'd have played this kind of game a bit more over the last 4 years though this might be a closer contest
Difference is that Biden has always embraced Obama, while Bernie has been on his Burn the establishment binge.
The electorate at large doesn't see Obama as the establishment. The Bloomberg "Obama-endorsement" ads worked for him in multiple states, contrary to many other eyes and ears who witnessed those ads. From a political strategy standpoint, the other candidates should have done this before Bloomberg.
IMO "Obama" is something that is currently the most likely thing that can drown out any Burisma or Hunter or they-took-it-from-Bernie or socialism-bad talk from Trump. The Democratic candidates' talk of revolution, or "I can take him on stage", or "I'm in this fight" from the roster of candidates doesn't really do this.
Trump should in principle be the easiest target to take out, especially now that he has a record including impeachment in the first term. But no other political strategists anywhere have offered up anything better to knock out Trump. With the voters of South Carolina deciding that Obama's legacy is represented by Biden, and Sanders' gains of latinx support, political strategists that are used to moderate-style power plays have been flummoxed.
Look, both Sanders and Biden can run rings around Trump in a debate, but the thing they need the most is for as many people as possible to show up on election day and vote for them. Debates just don't accomplish this. So if invoking Obama will be the thing that puts the Democratic ticket over Trump and the best chance for the Senate, then that's a goal to aim for.
I wish that talking about policies and platforms were enough to win the election, but in absence of an all-inclusive coalition pointing the country forward (no candidate truly has this right now), the electorate seems to just want Trump out for the moment. The indications from the primaries and caucuses are that they'll at least show up for that.
Look, we clearly need to put more focus on this over Warren taking super Pack money or backtracking on Medicare for All.
It's not a great look in but it makes political sense and people are imagining Bernie being far more hostile to Obama (and any of the other candidates) than he has been.
Also Obama's evil for the drone strikes, deportation, cages, lack of justice reform etc... Regardless of how he's perceived by centrist America.
This is shifty but it seems like the sort of thing that should get deployed after those Super Tuesday results. Bernie needs that boost.
I'm full on the Biden train now.
I support Bernie at a policy level quite a bit more than Biden, but Bernie can't run an effective campaign to save his life. He's had years to get this right.
I support Bernie at a policy level quite a bit more than Biden, but Bernie can't run an effective campaign to save his life. He's had years to get this right.
If you can't see why it's different for Biden (Obama's VP) to ride his coattails, and Bernie (who called for Obama to be primaried) to do the same, you aren't looking at this objectively.
He should have been doing this after he won New Hampshire. He's made boat loads of cash and could have had real reach with such ads for Super Tuesday and South Carolina.
I mean the problem is if Obama comes out and slaps this shit down. Bernie has left himself more open than a 24-hour WalMart on this, and there almost certainly will be a cost.
He'd come off as super hypocritical since he stayed dead silent while Bloomberg was saturating the airwaves, internet and radio with similar ads. Blooms must have spent hundreds of millions trying to fool people nationwide into thinking he was endorsed by Obama. There was an actual article about this iirc.
Edit: Here it is
Most Democrats Wrongly Believe Barack Obama Has Endorsed a 2020 Candidate
For viewers in early-voting or Super Tuesday states inundated with Obama-laden ads, the nuance around his invocation may be lost.
www.newsweek.com
Joe Biden's Chief Strategist Lobbied to Undermine Barack and Michelle Obama's Signature Initiatives
Joe Biden likes to tout his ties to Obama, but he chose Anita Dunn, a lobbyist who fought progressive policies under Obama, to lead his campaign.
theintercept.com
Biden campaign is a major yikeserino
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He'll probably still be the most recent Dem president in 20 years.
This. Obama gets blamed for having no mandate and not passing legislation... but if people showed up in 2010 and 2014 he would have actually been able to.
Obama isn't going to interfere in the primary, especially not in this way. He didn't comment at all when Bloomberg did it.
Pls stop 😭
Credit given where credit due, that is some choice editing. Anyone with an ear can hear it's from different sources, though.