I feel like I said this enough last night but I don't mind clarifying again because I think people don't get what it was I was trying to say. That's probably partially on me because the wording of my post was mixed in with some frustration I've felt over the past two days here about how many threads we have that's mostly just people smugly mocking those different from them (accents, where they live, faith, etc.) and I've seen this exact thread prop up several times in the past few years and it always has the same kind of posts. There's always a few people who feel like they found this gaping wound in the concept of a deity and if they were able to present it to religious people it'd DESTROY THEM with FACTS and LOGIC.
So what I was trying to say was that this isn't actually how that would go down because this is one of the most talked about issues in all of religion. It's not the smoking gun people think it is. But by all means don't take my word for it. Post up in front of a church asking people to debate you on this subject and report back to me how it goes. I won't say I tried to warn you.
Disingenuous? Only when taken out of context and misunderstood, perhaps. This isn't what I was saying at all.
For one thing, I'm not the one who made this about atheists vs theists, the thread itself did that when it conflated all people who believe in a deity into one group and assigned them all Christianity by default. But also "atheists hold the same social status and power as christians" is completely unrelated to the topic that was being discussed when I made that comparison.
I was talking about the cycle of debate. The people who are convinced they can argue down someone from their belief.
This is a good example of what I was talking about originally though. Do you really think the people who read the Bible every day and believe it to be holy text haven't read the Old Testament? This is that attitude of "if you show them this single issue it'll destroy their argument" that ultimately leads to this conclusion of "show them the Bible and it'll convince them God isn't real". Like, come on. They OBVIOUSLY have an answer to this. It's the entire basis of the religion.
Anyway, that all aside, I'm not going to spend all day debating religion on here. I think people mostly wanted to use my post to have the actual argument they were initially talking about anyway and I'm not going to provide that. The last thing I'll say on this topic is that I think Jessi77 has a really good post on the last page. True separation of church and state is something that I think society desperately needs but we're not in a position to actively get it right now.
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