'After Nazi Germany the world said never again, but it is' | ITV News
Nursiman Abdureshid, an Uighur Muslim living in China, says the world is repeating that which it promised to never do or see again. | ITV National News
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Its obvious the majority of the western world doesn't care that the CCP are just vile pieces of shit.
As long as they make our mobile phones and are a source of cheap labor, its all good it seems. fucking disgusting.
Seriously, fuck the CPC. Been reading about this shit for a long time now and it never fails to make me really freaking depressed.
Just the Western World? Nobody else cares. At least some Western countries have called out China. All the important Muslim countries have backed the official Chinese line.
China has such a huge piece of the human economic pie no one wants to piss them off.
Who would have predicted that after the Holocaust, concentration camps and ethnic cleansing in another region could be excused by capitalism. That no country that has monetary investments with CCP would intervene in a human crisis.
It's been open season against muslims for the past 20 years or so. Islamophobia is widely accepted everywhere. Watch in 30-40 years, these same people will also say "never again" about the treatment that muslims faced and talk about how much they helped them when in reality they didn't do shit.
It's things like this that make it really hard to reconcile my anti-military, anti-interventionist feelings. Like, I see what is going on and it's obviously horrible. No question. But what do we do? Do we kick down their door with armed forces and start a war that is undoubtedly going to end badly for everyone? I look back on things like the Rwandan genocide the same way. We could have done something, but is it the best thing to send in the US military and just start a war? I think extreme economic sanctions are needed but no one in power in the US seems to have any willingness to do it.
Wasnt the world pretty indifferent to the Jewish plight in Germany before they Nazis decided to attack other countries? I feel like the world powers would only act if China made an aggressive move outside their recognized borders. The pathetic thing is we cant even bring about any sanctions. As long as money keeps rolling in, the rest of the world will look the other way while a genocide takes place.
Out of every shitty thing going on in the world right now, this one leaves me feeling the most powerless to do anything about it. There always seemed to be this idea that if another holocaust took place, countries around the world would just rise up and stop it. Clearly that thought was naive. Fuck.
Unlike Germany nobody is at war with China and I can't seem them being overthrown anytime soon. This will keep going and getting worse for who knows how long.
No one would have stopped Hitler if he didn't go around invading other countries. It's terrifying to think that China will succeed in their plans unless the whole world gets together to put a stop to this.
Tragic. Can't imagine how it must be to live not knowing where your family is. Not knowing if they are even alive.
Fuck the Chinese government and all its supporters.
Fuck the Chinese government and all its supporters.
Considering we absorbed a large part of the Nazi leadership after the war, ignored Holocaust news (with some people like Allen Dulles purposely delaying news about the Holocaust from reaching us), ignored refugees, and had a wealthy elite that supported or was tied in with the Nazis (Prescott Bush among others)... yeah no. This will happen again. And has happened since 1945.
I'd even go further and say that the Allies didn't enter the war to protect the European Jews but because Germany attacked other countries. The world leaders didn't care much for Germany's nationalism, the USA interned thousands of Japanese people.
Yep, Jews were facing oppression in Nazi Germany long before allied rallied against them. Aryanization had begun very early on and it wasn't a secret. Long as China doesn't go starting wars they can do pretty much what they want.
Pretty much. While other countries generally weren't aware of he extent of the Holocaust, they knew about concentration camps and that it was happening. Plus a huge chunk of the world was openly anti semitic so that didn't help.
The Allies didn't care about the Jews. Who thought that they would care about Muslims after demonizing them for the entirety of the 21st century?
To be fair the Nazis forced everyone's hand when they started invading other countries, if the had kept their genocide in their own country like China is doing right now who knows if anyone would have cared to stop them.
Yup.
People are only hearing this more often now because China is a geopolitical rival. Brown lives don't really mean much in the West.
It more demonstrates that nobody would have bothered to stop Hitler had he focused just on German Jews and not launched World War II.
Like if China invaded Kazakhstan on the pretext of "security against the Muslim threat" or something, that would see the world stand up, but no-one's going to do more than protest if they keep it within their own borders.
Like if China invaded Kazakhstan on the pretext of "security against the Muslim threat" or something, that would see the world stand up, but no-one's going to do more than protest if they keep it within their own borders.
Honest question: was the level of anti-semitism pre-World War 2 as high and as widespread as the level of anti-Islam sentiment is today? Obviously Hitler was able to tap into and foment a pre-existing xenophobia, and there are clearly parallels between that and what's happening in a lot of the world at the moment.
I remember seeing a poll that said Americans are more welcoming of Syrian refugees today then they were of German Jews during WW2. Not sure if that's a reliable barometer but I think it's an indication of how bad it was at the time.
Me personally I'm going to boycott products that are made in labor camps from China. Even next gen consoles. We need to apply pressure to companies that is the only way to get something out of CCP, seeing all other countries governments have their balls in a jar over this.
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The silence from Muslim countries is deafening.
Pakistan, I sort of understand due to their blood feud with India, but the others are absolutely disgusting.
Pakistan, I sort of understand due to their blood feud with India, but the others are absolutely disgusting.
We can see with Israel-Palestine that the corrupt leadership of many Muslim-majority countries like the Gulf Monarchies only care about wealth and power. Going beyond that for the more democratic ones like Pakistan or Indonesia, yeah, nobody wants to piss off China. They're too integrated to the global economy.
We could pursue diplomatic solutions, but the US and Europe don't seem very interested in doing that, they just want to war hawk using the oppression of Uighurs as a scapegoat. There is something fiercely ironic about a bunch of nations who oppressed Muslims in their own country and killed Muslims in other countries pretending to care about Muslims in China all of a sudden.
Extreme economic sanctions would probably destroy the global economy, the economies of the US, European nations, Japan, South Korea, China, and developing states like India, Pakistan, etc. are all far too intertwined for that to be feasible on a broad scale, which is why even the people who are war hawking using China are not proposing them.
I'm not sure what we do outside of utilizing diplomacy to attempt to persuade the government not to oppress the Uighurs. In order to do that successfully, we would need to make significant headway on dismantling our own systems of oppression. It's depressing because I don't think this is likely.
The world (aka the West) didn't care about the Armenians, Kurds, Indians, Rwanda, Congo, Ukrainians, Irish, Bosnians, Palestinians, people of Yemen, or even the 60 million people that died in the great leap forward.
"Never Again" has always been a cute term for white people to cry to while ignoring everything going on around them. 8 of those genocides I mentioned about were even supported by the West through either weapons trade or direct involvement; the rest were simply ignored while they went on.
My main point is, the term has never had any meaning in the first place. We could start to care now, but considering the absolute apathy most western people have to those that arent western I don't see anything changing sadly.
"Never Again" has always been a cute term for white people to cry to while ignoring everything going on around them. 8 of those genocides I mentioned about were even supported by the West through either weapons trade or direct involvement; the rest were simply ignored while they went on.
My main point is, the term has never had any meaning in the first place. We could start to care now, but considering the absolute apathy most western people have to those that arent western I don't see anything changing sadly.
Muslim countries have ignored Palestine for the better part of a century so it's not surprising they are ignoring the Uighurs too.
People forget that most countries only started giving a shit about the Holocaust after Germany started its military expansion. And even after that most people didn't really care about what was happening to the Jewish people until we saw photos of the concentration camps.
If we want the government to do something we need to change society itself and that shit isn't happening for at least two more generations if it ever happens at all.
Yep
The kurds have have a rough go of it to say the least as well. This century has been particularly hard on Muslims. Makes me wonder how the plight of the Rohingya is seen in the middle east as well.
Because they might share a religion, but not an ethnicity.
Yup.
A lot of the Muslim countries got monied interests with China, money overrides religion and solidarity for the rich.