Yea, personally, pushing the needle in the other direction for the cultural 'war' in the US is my biggest concern.
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Beating Trump for the culture more so than the politics
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What I mean is that American culture is intensely political. Nearly every aspect of your society is deeply divided on partisan lines. "Patriotism", and its reverence for the troops and the police, is constantly shoved in your face. Fox News is the #1 cable channel, and its content is almost entirely political.
You can choose to be apolitical, but it doesn't change that your culture is steeped in politics.
Voting against Trump is a responsibility of those who CAN do so.
But Removing Trump from power and eliminating White Supremacy isn't a sole responsibility of the capable voter.
The Democratic Party and the Democratic politicians all have Responsibilities, and it's unfair if the capable voters do their Hardest but the Dems/dem politicians dont.
So the Democratic Party and the Democratic politicians, for the critical upcoming election, must do their Hardest, their Bestest in making sure they remove Trump, in making sure the needs of the people are met.
It's a critical time, they better do their Bestest, and that includes Biden.
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They cant do that if we don't vote to give them power.
The midterm was already a solid difference. So we need to keep going
I'm saying that those in POWER whose Job is for stuff like the country's Betterment SHOULD be doing quintiple time in making sure Trump is removed.
They Better better be doing their Bestest-Est.
This ain't a responsibility thats only in particular for the voter only. They must all be in this together for the world and stuff.
The people need to be going while also the those with power MUST ALSO need to keep going.
With like a Pandemic and Climate Change and stuff, there must be no absolving of Responsibility, especially for those Already with Power.
Like the power of the those given with power is limited by the power given to them by the people, but they BETTER be in Overdrive doing their All in removing Trump with the power they have, and they must be at their BEST. No turning around from this especially for the Democratic politicians and the Democratic Party.
We're talking about 4 more years of Trump and Future potential Catastrophe.
They better Do Proper.
If you're not gonna vote Biden, I understand it, but please please please keep in mind there's also gonna be a dozen+ other races and initiatives on your ballot in November.
Leave your vote blank for the presidency if you like, but for the love of god do your research and show up for the candidates you can get behind, don't just let a bunch of other unrelated races get ceded to Republicans because you don't like Biden.
Leave your vote blank for the presidency if you like, but for the love of god do your research and show up for the candidates you can get behind, don't just let a bunch of other unrelated races get ceded to Republicans because you don't like Biden.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I'm a white guy with a very white family, but even I'm starting to get scared of the cultural changes I'm seeing under Trump. I have a shirt with my own face on it (yeah, dumb, I know) and some giant-truck driving guy blocked me in the parking lot on the way out of Jimmy John's to ask me if it was "Bill Ayers" on my shirt. If not, who is it? Do I know who Bill Ayers is? Bill Ayers wants to see millions of people die!
That guy didn't spring into being when Trump was elected, but I am 100% positive he would not have pulled that shit pre-Trump. As states start re-opening, I expect and am worried that some of these Trump people will literally attack people on the street who are visibly taking precautions (i.e. wearing a mask in public).
The politics are hugely important, but I'm really worried about this casual increase in "mundane" violence--verbal, physical, whatever--that I absolutely ascribe to Trump and his GOP enablers.
I'm a white guy with a very white family, but even I'm starting to get scared of the cultural changes I'm seeing under Trump. I have a shirt with my own face on it (yeah, dumb, I know) and some giant-truck driving guy blocked me in the parking lot on the way out of Jimmy John's to ask me if it was "Bill Ayers" on my shirt. If not, who is it? Do I know who Bill Ayers is? Bill Ayers wants to see millions of people die!
That guy didn't spring into being when Trump was elected, but I am 100% positive he would not have pulled that shit pre-Trump. As states start re-opening, I expect and am worried that some of these Trump people will literally attack people on the street who are visibly taking precautions (i.e. wearing a mask in public).
The politics are hugely important, but I'm really worried about this casual increase in "mundane" violence--verbal, physical, whatever--that I absolutely ascribe to Trump and his GOP enablers.
Bill Ayers being a target of right wing concern dates back to the 2008 Dem primary when it was used to attack Obama. I feel like this is illustrative of why not all of the mess is a product of the "trump era"
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Ok I'm not saying this is all becuase of trump and that we lived in a utopia before trump
I'm saying he's made it worse and the dog whistles are now bull horns and if he gets re-elected it will be even worst
Oh I know all about Bill Ayers.
My belief is that this guy would've kept his mouth shut and kept driving if Hillary was president. Trump encourages and emboldens these people.
To stop that there would need to be a complete rebrand of American conservatism that isn't founded on racism/dog-whistles/southern strategy/evangelicalism
Which is to say...we're always going to get white nationalists, they have a whole channel that is watched by millions, their messaging is resonates, and there are even more people who will talk down to the targeted groups about not focusing on such, "ignoring it", or make excuses for it; "normally I would agree, but this seems like people are making a whole bunch of something of nothing"
But that in and of itself is political., groups vulnerable to legislation and rhetoric of GOP is as much political as it is cultural. Especially when conservatives see the "cultural war" as a political entity.
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I am all in on this supposed culture war. :) Mostly because I have no damned choice with nationalists/supremacists.
I am all in on this supposed culture war. :) Mostly because I have no damned choice with nationalists/supremacists.
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We pivoted to xenophobic no true scotsman, very quickly. I'm not sure what side of the 'culture' war you're on?
We won the culture war. This is a tantrum in response to that. Now we have to win the policy war to make our vision absolute. RIP MAGAtes.
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America, being the powerful and influential country that it is, have policies that affect lives outside the US.
So of course non-Americans are gonna wanna talk about US politics.
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Do nothing about climate change and you'll discover real soon that nothing else mattered quite as much as that.
Yes. The coalition of people against Trump is greater than the coalition for. He either wins by cheating people or by people sitting out.
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The other person called me xenophobic
This thread is about American culture and racism not about universal political/economic ideas.
I understand there's a lot of marxists from many countries on this site, but the realities of america can only be felt by a minority living in america or someone who is open to hear them out.
Global hegemon says what? You Americans stick your business into all of ours.
Act 1: The US bombs and targets different countries through the entirety of the 20th century and the first two decades of the 21st century
Act 2: People all around the world learn that they should pay attention to the US because they might cause the destruction of their way of life in the future
Act 3: Some US person asks "why do you care so much about our politics?"
Act 2: People all around the world learn that they should pay attention to the US because they might cause the destruction of their way of life in the future
Act 3: Some US person asks "why do you care so much about our politics?"
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Some minorities don't have the privilege of the climate being the biggest threat to their livelihood
Al Il initially commented on was my own (educated) opinion about the prospects for large scale change no matter who wins. Is that ignoring your lived experiences for me to weigh in like that?
Except it's the biggest threat to everyone's livelihood regardless of socioeconomic class, and it'll affect the livelihood of minorities disproportionately as well.
The problem with this worldview is that it relegates the election of Trump and the seemingly subsequent propagation of hatred/anti-intellectualism as an isolated event.
Voting is not enough, we need to seriously address the underlying mechanisms of our government which hold in place so many institutions/laws detrimental to the lives of the underprivileged so that a Trump (or Reagan, who in my opinion was far worse) doesn't happen again.
And if you're one of those people whose political activism extends only to voting, then I'd argue you're no different than the nonvoter since you're choosing the most passive route possible to influence change.
Voting is not enough, we need to seriously address the underlying mechanisms of our government which hold in place so many institutions/laws detrimental to the lives of the underprivileged so that a Trump (or Reagan, who in my opinion was far worse) doesn't happen again.
And if you're one of those people whose political activism extends only to voting, then I'd argue you're no different than the nonvoter since you're choosing the most passive route possible to influence change.
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This thread is about white supremacy, conspirational thinking and other issues AMERICANS face inside their country. If y'all want to talk foreign policy make another thread
You're being dismissive and out right saying they're not allowed a voice in critiquing American politics simply on the basis that they're not American? That's xenophobic as fuck. Would you have said the same thing if they were in here amplifying an echo-chamber for you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman it's a logical fallacy too.
The state of american culture is what brought us to Trump in the first place and the rot at its core isn't going anywhere and connot be solved in one day at the ballot box, let alone for a disaster in the wings like Biden.
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Marxist? What?
Regardless of like how many Marxists are found within a country, the US, whether through DIRECT POLICY or through indirect effect via influence, is GONNA affect other countries by virtue of it being a super power
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And with regards to climate change, well, the US better start keeping its act together NOW, cos Climate change is a GLOBAL ISSUE, not just a US one.
Foreign policy is rather relevant to issues that Americans face. See, for example, Muslim Americans.
I think it's fine to say that POC have more pressing concerns than climate change. They are dying right now from a direct consequence of racist policies. It's also true that climate change is also going to a greatly affect POC as temps increase. It's just a matter of what is the most clear and present danger in your life.
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They have had "their guy" in the White House throughout American history. Racism has ruled the nation over nearly its entirety, arguably its entirety. And this is my problem with your argument. In 2000 George W. Bush ran with the lie that John McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child. In the 90s Bill Clinton made huge welfare cuts and signed into law a deeply-racist crime bill. In 1988 there was Willie Horton. In 1980 Reagan had the Southern Strategy. Racism is a constant in American politics.
The idea that Trump is a unique phenomenon, and that somehow voting for neoliberal racist Joe Biden will repudiate white supremacy for good, is a pipe dream.
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Ok, so for everyone worried about American foreign policy and American green policy, who should Americans vote for in November
That part.
The rot runs deep, and we need some serious legislation to even begin combating it. Like why the fuck are there STILL no hate-speech laws? Not even a gesture of compassion to minorities exist in this country.
I'm looking south at a country that is embracing fascism and not even looking back anymore. It's ugly, vile and voting for Joe Biden is slapping a coat of paint on a burning building.
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Those guys were quiet racists. Trump is a loud racist.
it's literally culturally ok towear modern white hoods now becuase of this MAGA fuck
that's what I'm trying to say
Yea racism and all that existed before trump.
but he's made it culturally acceptable and if he wins again it can't be undone.
dotn y'all understand what I'm saying
Well minorities can have both racism, direct and instituinalo, and racial policies and Climate Change be both the biggest threats in their lives.
Thus, these thing must be tackled SIMULTANEOUSLY and interconnectedly, or else we end up with Whites-only Green New Deal or something..
American culture is inseperable from American politics, and both are globally exported. Someone doesn't have to be American to have strong views on these subjects or want to discuss the topic!
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Thats a fucking bullshit analogy
Joe Biden is a fireman coming in, maybe he stutters, maybe he used to be friends with racist, but once he puts out the fire the people who rebuild the house are LITERALLY EVERYONES FAVORITE POLITICIANS.
Voting in Obama didn't prevent Trump from getting in. Voting in Biden won't prevent another Trump from coming in either. A lot of the grievances the racists have are borne of a misdirected resentment from failures of the government to address issues like income inequality or labor rights. So perhaps the step we should take to counteract that culture of white supremacy is to...take care of people.
Voting is a bare minimum, but the Removal of trump isn't a Responsbility of ONLY THE VOTERS.
The Democratic Politicians and the Democratic Party also have their parts, and their parts are huge so they better do their part the Bestest and Hardest they can and they better treat the upcoming election as the Critical super important election that it is.
I think the issue here is that voting for Joe Biden is not going to make white supremacists go back into hiding. The genie is out of the bottle. That's not going away just because a Democrat gets in office and says "Racism is bad again". It won't even happen if Democrats implement anti-racist policies, because the rot is too far deep. There's too much juice the GOP can still squeeze out, too much institutional power to be dislodged so quickly, too much entanglement between economics and culture and race and class and so forth. This is an issue that will take generations to heal, and it requires a deeper and more incisive, more integrated, more (frankly) left wing politics than the party is willing to offer right now to do so.
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