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[BBC] In China, Uighurs 'moved into factory forced labour' for foreign brands Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony
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Sure, but if nothing else it could increase awareness. These companies are susceptible to cultural pressures, unlike large governments.
Alright so I wasn't trying to insult you or anything. Sorry if you were offended by that. You are ignoring my point though that you're putting energy towards consumers when the problem isn't the consumers it's corporate who desire to exploit for maximum profit.
Your choice is to not buy something or do. My point was there is no ethical option when it comes to buying electronics. Yeah you could just not buy electronics but thats not going to help unless you convince the majority to do so.
I do agree that our hobbies shouldn't cost anyones lives. Its just we don't know what everyone has to deal with. Maybe this hobby is what helps them cope with whatever life they're dealing with. So I don't think its fair to get mad at people on this forum for continueing to discuss about tvs in a thread.
We all suffer under capitalism to different extents.
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Report: China Sells Minorities Into ‘Forced Labor’ to Benefit Apple, Foxconn, Others | ExtremeTech
A new report alleges China is deploying tens of thousands of ethnic minority workers in what amounts to a slavery ...
www.extremetech.com
Never heard of them before but the article is pretty good. The author definitely did his homework.
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Think of car production lines and assembly in Western countries. Mass-market vehicle production but with skilled, well-paid jobs.
In any case, I've not bought a laptop in well over ten years [still runs like a champ]. I don't intend buying another until it stops working.
Still playing Mario Kart 8 on Wii U and various titles on years-old cosmos black 3DS. Don't intend buying a new Nintendo platform.
Much more conscious of clothes and trainers too. Won't buy from certain countries and only then when clothes are falling apart.
Damn.Report: China Sells Minorities Into ‘Forced Labor’ to Benefit Apple, Foxconn, Others | ExtremeTech
A new report alleges China is deploying tens of thousands of ethnic minority workers in what amounts to a slavery ...
Never heard of them before but the article is pretty good. The author definitely did his homework.
To me this is the greater sin here, the sheer ignorance of those who have the ability to do something about it.
I wonder why they choose to ignore it? Fear, ignorance or simply apathy towards the Uighur people?
Yes, you can. But good luck getting enough people, especially when there is no alternative for them to go to, to get an effective boycott going. Realistically you are just not going to get enough people to care enough to give up doing something they enjoy entirely to make the companies notice they are losing more money by endorsing practices then by changing what they are re doing which in and of itself will cost them more money and going to more expensive labor.
I've tweeted to Jason Schreier about it, if we tell other reporters about this news story, we can come to the conclusion of whether it's just a blindspot on their news radar or they don't care about the situation.
Sorry but I dont think you're posting in good faith after all this fantastic suggestions other posters again and again posted.
First of all in that 4k thread I wasn't mad or barking or whatever exeggaration/insult you're implying and 'if you're offended by it' non-apology is not accepted. We can move on since you clearly trying to equate a grave situation like literal slavery to people having stress and needing relieve by buying irresponsibly.
Secondly my post in that thread was like suggesting that they should try to avoid buying from companies which are profiting from slavery. Plus it is suggestable to wait since there are new techs coming this year, so it is good to wait even if there was no slave labour problem. One can be an informed, responsible consumer.
And lastly like I said before, it is either incredibly naive or sinister to post again and again defeatist and enabling shit like consumers cannot do anything. I send Nintendo a message and as for reply, they send me a pdf from september declaring they're transparent about not using slave labour. I reminded them the report is recent so that pdf does not mean anything. They said they will have a response regarding situation. I told I would remind again and refrain buying any Nintendo merchandise until we have cristal clear stance. It will be hard, yes, especially if they release 3D world for Switch or Switch Pro but I can hold or buy second hand. Same for the 4k tv upgrade I want. I'll go for a brand not profiting from slave labour or buy used.
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I'm of this mind as well. I mean, what else can we do, other than waiting to not buy a product this holiday season?
At the very least, I'd think Nintendo is so hyper-aware of its image, and leans so heavily on its ethical, family-friendly branding, that if a petition that indicates it's benefiting from slave labor went viral, it would act swiftly to mitigate the damage. The optics are terrible; I feel like awareness could go a long way, here.
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A reminder that Nintendo IS moving some production to Vietnam.
Nintendo moves some Switch production to Vietnam
Nintendo is moving some production of the Switch to Vietnam, to decrease its dependence on China for manufacturing.The …
www.gamesindustry.biz
Hopefully they'll move even more or even all of it to Vietnam or at least outside China eventually. But they seem to be one of the few if not the only one who's publicly done so.
Lots of tech/fab companies are/were adding/switching/increasing workload to Vietnam even before COVID-19.A reminder that Nintendo IS moving some production to Vietnam.
Nintendo moves some Switch production to Vietnam
Nintendo is moving some production of the Switch to Vietnam, to decrease its dependence on China for manufacturing.The …
Hopefully they'll move even more or even all of it to Vietnam or at least outside China eventually. But they seem to be one of the few if not the only one who's publicly done so.
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Report: China Sells Minorities Into ‘Forced Labor’ to Benefit Apple, Foxconn, Others | ExtremeTech
A new report alleges China is deploying tens of thousands of ethnic minority workers in what amounts to a slavery ...
Never heard of them before but the article is pretty good. The author definitely did his homework.
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That's right. Trump's tariff threat prompted additional production capacity to Vietnam.
As far as I'm aware, Switch production there is a tiny fraction of overall global system production.
Alright you make a fair point. Again I'm sorry if I came off as rude.
I wouldn't be so sure. I've read folks point out that due to the virus, only the JP supply is affected, HEAVILY hinting that the vast majority of production is outside China now.
Now I'm sad that Nintendo is involved :'(
Please Nintendo, don't support this, I would with pleasure pay $100,00 more for a Nintendo Switch.
Please Nintendo, don't support this, I would with pleasure pay $100,00 more for a Nintendo Switch.
I'm currently writing up an article for this, our site is pretty small in the grand scheme of things but every little helps to spotlight it, really.
I have a question though - is Uighur the preferred spelling? I'm seeing Uyghur more often, but I don't wanna step out of line with it.
I have a question though - is Uighur the preferred spelling? I'm seeing Uyghur more often, but I don't wanna step out of line with it.
Uyghur Human Rights Project
The Uyghur Human Rights Project promotes the rights of Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples in East Turkistan (Xinjiang) through research-based advocacy.
uhrp.org
I think the Y version does indeed appear to be closer to what is preferred, though I don't think it would be a showstopper either way.
Superb mate! Not only does this kind of responsible consumer habit reduce benefitting immoral labor practices in China, but is obviously a benefit to the environment as well. Many are unaware that the cheap clothing coming out of China especially is rife with microplastics, which pollute waterways and oceans a bit more after each wash cycle.
Buying quality used clothing made of pure natural fabrics reduces waste and especially the plastics which are becoming catastrophic to the environment.
Thank you. It's Uyghur, but it's a term in a non-english language so there will be variation, doesn't make much difference.
Uyghur Human Rights Project
The Uyghur Human Rights Project promotes the rights of Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples in East Turkistan (Xinjiang) through research-based advocacy.
I think the Y version does indeed appear to be closer to what is preferred, though I don't think it would be a showstopper either way.
Thanks guys, I went with Uyghur for the most part. Was very sobering doing all that reading, jeez. The fact there are publically available advertisements is perhaps the darkest part.
Can you imagine any of these companies trying to stand up against China lol
People can cry about "sinophobia" all you want, but if ever you wanted evidence of how we shouldn't be doing business in China/with Chinese companies, it's the amount of power China's government holds over every big company in the world.
People can cry about "sinophobia" all you want, but if ever you wanted evidence of how we shouldn't be doing business in China/with Chinese companies, it's the amount of power China's government holds over every big company in the world.
It's ok. It just depressing to see when consumers underestimate their power.
Thanks mods for pinning the thread.
they rather talk about virtual porn sadly(while posting virtual CP pics to boot).
The problem is that no one cares. Your not going to get people to forgo their new wants and needs. Sad to say NO ONE should be forced to work in these conditions.
We can't build these things in America because of the costs associated here. No one would pay 1000 for a ps5 which is what it would cost if they were made here with all the wages / healthcare costs.
I don't have the answer I don't know what the right answer is but I agree this is stupid and unhuman regardless of someone religious preference.
If there truly is a GOD he is ashamed of what we have become.
We can't build these things in America because of the costs associated here. No one would pay 1000 for a ps5 which is what it would cost if they were made here with all the wages / healthcare costs.
I don't have the answer I don't know what the right answer is but I agree this is stupid and unhuman regardless of someone religious preference.
If there truly is a GOD he is ashamed of what we have become.
Let's be fair to the gaming press, you are expecting too much - they have little to no scruples so I wouldn't expect them to even consider such a topic worth copy. Really It's the mainstream journalists/news that should be picking this up but you know it just won't get traction...
I work for a multinational retailer (though not in its biggest market) and already raised this with the relevant local buyers when I saw this thread posted, I'm not sure what will happen but I'll raise it again next week.
It's tantamount to modern slavery so it should not be knowingly in the supply chain and ignorance isn't an answer manufacturers/brands can hide behind...
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I work for a multinational retailer (though not in its biggest market) and already raised this with the relevant local buyers when I saw this thread posted, I'm not sure what will happen but I'll raise it again next week.
It's tantamount to modern slavery so it should not be knowingly in the supply chain and ignorance isn't an answer manufacturers/brands can hide behind...
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I missed this when it was posted, but it's harrowing.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/manga-on-uyghur-womans-testimony-of-torture-in-china.155347/
As tech enthusiasts we are essentially becoming party to a forced erasing of ethnic identity by way of consumerism with the above, and it's fucking sick.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/manga-on-uyghur-womans-testimony-of-torture-in-china.155347/
As tech enthusiasts we are essentially becoming party to a forced erasing of ethnic identity by way of consumerism with the above, and it's fucking sick.
This issue still seems to fly under the radar and you rarely hear it spoken of. IMO we'll look back in decades to come and this will be one of humanities greatest atrocities that the world sat by and watched. It's one of our great failings.
What made the team change their minds? Cause I was sent this earlier today in my alerts.
"Unfortunately, your recent report has been rejected: Post in thread '[BBC] In China, Uighurs 'moved into factory forced labour' for foreign brands Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony' - Stickied threads tend to get less traffic than organically popular front page threads."
That was initially the reason for not sticking it, but when I had a look after being pinged, it seemed like activity had decreased enough that sticking the thread would be beneficial for visibility.
Unfortunately the news will be dominated by the Coronavirus problem for a good while yet. Millions of lives may be lost, which seems insane right now, but the math works out.
Once that is hopefully on the way out, we can find more success in bringing this issue to light, but it will not be easy. Perhaps working alongside the UHRP and fundraising would be best. Taking out major ads in things like The New York Times and on Kotaku and the like would raise exposure.
The CCP has definitely achieved major influence within global business and politics to a degree that makes challenging their hegemony extremely difficult. I don't have an easy answer for this.
A few months ago, The New York Times produced a short video report on the gold in electronics originating from illegal mines managed by origanized crime units in Colombia. They've went as far to single out Apple and their supply chain caught up in this.
How Tainted Gold May Have Ended Up in Your Phone https://nyti.ms/2L7BFa9
I don't see why they wouldn't want to cover this as well, especially prior to releases of new phones, consoles and TVs in the second half of the year.
Enough of us can spark some interest in these reporters.
How Tainted Gold May Have Ended Up in Your Phone https://nyti.ms/2L7BFa9
I don't see why they wouldn't want to cover this as well, especially prior to releases of new phones, consoles and TVs in the second half of the year.
Enough of us can spark some interest in these reporters.