This would be a perfect solution but of course the capitalist markets and shareholders would never allow it.
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[BBC] In China, Uighurs 'moved into factory forced labour' for foreign brands Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony
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Yeah, will be interesting to see what this community does. I imagine the people who boycotted Blizzard over Hong Kong and THQ over 8chan will no longer buy Switch and PS4 games since Nintendo and Sony are involved in a supply chain featuring actual slavery.
Boycott or no, this needs to circulate amongst more mainstream media outlets to create the sort of outcry that can solve this issue.
fucked up. this needs to be made aware for those big companies. only they have the full power to force the changes on these things.
I'm curious if some of those companies really didn't know. I'm assuming they are getting the same things/parts from the same factories
I'm curious if some of those companies really didn't know. I'm assuming they are getting the same things/parts from the same factories
I mean, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Apple... given the extent of companies involved, it would basically entail no longer engaging with the entire medium. I'd imagine that's not really a realistic option for most, and people for whom this is a concern should stay engaged anyway. So I think the most important thing will be to raise voices and let the individual companies know that none of this is acceptable. As a collective voice, it could still be powerful independent of a boycott.
This will be in the history books 50 years from now, how our mass consumerism was paired with convenient ignorance to the system of mass slavery that powered it all throughout the eastern hemisphere.
Don't think there's another side to slavery, cultural genocide, and concentration/re-education camps.
Definitely boycotting these companies until they acknowledge this, apologize, and change their ways. I wasn't planning on buying PS5 at launch so we will see if Sony takes action before the end of 2021, about the time I was likely getting one. I wonder what cell phone manufacturers will do, I was already going to pass on the Samsung Galaxy S20 but I do know the Galaxy line of phones is no longer being manufactured in China but some other Samsung products still are.
Seems like it'd be obvious with PS5 and the new Xbox series systems this year, not to mention new iPhones and the new pro switch
it's a fucked up world
it's a fucked up world
I dont think a boycott is the answer here. I think a company like Nintendo should be ashamed of this. We need to find a way to make them face this and take some action. A boycott is not enough. I am open to ideas, what can we do to bring this to Nintendo and Sony?
Most Switches are now manufactured in Vietnam so they're one of the least involved companies.
Yeah, the best thing we can do is to try get these companies to manufacture their products outside of China. Of course some of the components will still be made in China, but a good first step is to move the main manufacturing of the unit outside of China. Realistically, I can't boycott all technology in my life, but I can definitely avoid the purchase of final products assembled in China.
This. Pressure needs to be put on these companies from consumers. The more noise that's made about it, the more they'll have to pay attention. Good on the BBC for covering this. They've had good coverage on the overall mistreatment of Uighurs for a while now.
Passing this information on to Amnesty International could bring some good. They have already organized campaigns to raise awareness regarding the Uighurs situation in China, so it can't hurt to give that a try.
But that's basically any moment in human history since a very long time right ?
Why impossible? Because you enjoy using them so much? This is a way more serious issue than some YouTuber supporting trump so you'll stop watching his feeds or some shit. I'm not saying that's not a shit case either, and me personally I've never been one to scream BOYCOTT when something doesn't align with my opinions or strong beliefs but this is fucking one of the worst things I've read in a long time (not surprising, just disgusting). But unfortunately once this thread dies off we will continue using our iPhones and PlayStations and turn a blind eye to what's going on. We are pathetic and that is including me.
I didn't want to reply but I just couldn't I was so angry when I saw this thread and it's replies.
Thank you, this is a good idea. Im going to look for an email address and email them, I will report back if they reply.
When all the products you use in everyday normal life are the result of slavery, it becomes nigh impossible to avoid or boycott it. I'm literally can't afford to take a moral high ground and get rid of the items manufactured by the companies on this list. The shadowy hand of capitalism compromises all of us, and I don't have the time or energy to actively fight it. It sucks, but that's how it is
It is religious persecution. They stop these Muslims practicing their religion. They force them to eat pork.
You don't "need" to use Nintendo and Sony products in everyday life, lol
Looks like I'm not buying any electronics any time soon. :/
Seriously... this bad. And a lot of brands I like are listed. I'll try to find locally made stuff. That said, the raw materials might still be coming from these slave driven areas.
Seriously... this bad. And a lot of brands I like are listed. I'll try to find locally made stuff. That said, the raw materials might still be coming from these slave driven areas.
Yeah, pretty much; plus it'd be impossible to get any work done, and then I'd get fired.
I mean, look at that list. I work in capital finance for tech companies. No Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, Dell, Nokia, Lenovo, or Cisco? To say nothing of the car component or clothing manufacturers? Fundamenally impossible, and I'd say that probably goes for most people too.
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Yeah, I'm on the same boat. This is absolutely awful.
Also, to anyone saying this is worse than THQ or people supporting Trump, this is bordering on whataboutism. The government itself should be actively working to punish companies that make business with these companies. I mean, Huawei is blacklisted, so what's taking them so long to act on this as well?
Whilst it is an ethnic persection, it is also absolutely religious persecution. When you pass laws forcing people to denounce, or live out of accordance of their faith in fear of retribution, that is religous persecution. The words "re-education programme" severely undermine, and soften the reality of what these people face.
In 2017, a regulation was passed that meant anyone could be labelled an "extremist" for reasons such as refusing to watch state television, having an "abnormal" beard, wearing a veil or headscarf, regular prayer, fasting or even avoidance of alcohol.
Muslims forced to drink alcohol and eat pork in China's 're-education' camps, former inmate claims
The Uighurs are being attacked directly by denying them their faith.
China passes law to 'make Islam more compatible with socialism'
That bodes well for Hui and others as well... /s
I read the title for this topic and i was angry...reading everything made me sad AND angry honestly.
Try to put yourself in the position of these people.
Even worse...how many products we got in our homes that were produced in conditions like this?
We don't think about these things as much as we should to be honest.
Try to put yourself in the position of these people.
Even worse...how many products we got in our homes that were produced in conditions like this?
We don't think about these things as much as we should to be honest.
It's sad and gross. And not really surprising. Huge companies wants to make huge profits and will do whatever they can to cut prices on manufacturing even if it means doing so by not so pleasant means. Even if said companies would want to increase prices to keep the products fresh from awfulness investors and share owners would not allow for it to happen.
We really live in a shitty world.
I looked at the list and I either own or have owned or come in contact with many of these companies on a daily to weekly basis. I'm 100% sure a ton of more companies we dont know about use awful practices to make profit.
We really live in a shitty world.
I looked at the list and I either own or have owned or come in contact with many of these companies on a daily to weekly basis. I'm 100% sure a ton of more companies we dont know about use awful practices to make profit.
- Acer - displays at work
- Adidas - lots of my work out clothes, and shoes
- Amazon - have used to make online purchases
- Apple - owned an iPhone 4 and have an iPhone at work
- ASUS - A couple of parts in my computer
- Bombardier - Client at work
- Bosch - Fridge at home
- Cisco - Work related, own a Cisco Switch
- Dell - Used to own a Dell Computer
- Electrolux - Oven at home,
- Google - use it every single day, have an android phone.
- H&M - Buy clothes there from time to time
- Hitachi - Have some power tools
- HP - Printer
- Huawei - Used to own an Honor 8, my son has an Honor 8
- Lenovo - Work computer
- LG - My main TV
- Microsoft - Own an Xbox One, Windows products, Office products etc etc
- Mitsubishi - Used to own a Colt
- Nike - Lots of training clothes
- Nintendo - Own a whole bunch of systems and games
- Panasonic - Owned a high end TV
- Samsung - My current personal phone
- Sharp - Display in my TV
- Siemens - Freezer
- Sony - Own a TV, Used to own a couple of consoles and phones
- Xiaomi - Wifes phone
Was thinking of buying a 4k tv and jumping of next gen. My research for tv now includes "not made by slaves". But boycotting is not enough eventhough definitely essential. Instead of saying what can I do I'll reach local politicians and raise awareness in addition to boycott. I can easily go back to the consoles I have skipped from previous gens.
Edit; people listing defeatist lists may want to remember that there are other brands and boycotting would be avoiding buying from these companies/factories.
Edit; people listing defeatist lists may want to remember that there are other brands and boycotting would be avoiding buying from these companies/factories.
You know when you stop to think about it, the shit real people in power do and how they think is way more evil and disgusting than actual cartoon villains despite "cartoonishly evil" being used to refer to the idea that someone is evil to an absurd and unrealistic extent. Nah cartoonishly evil is a bad guy whose convoluted villainous plot is to make ice cream taste like shit. Evil in real life is almost always way worse than cartoon villains
WTF this is like selling people.
Wow.
Only a commercial embargo by government would work to solve this since these factories cover so many brands. I doubt shaming the companies would work.
OP
OP
I worry what they're also doing with people who don't perform and become a problem
Getting rid of stuff you already own makes no sense and no difference, of course, so you shouldn't have to. No one is even asking you to fight all day against capitalism (although we could use some help...)
You SHOULD however choose to make informed, ethical decisions in the future. Don't buy what you don't need, limit your consumption, talk about issues like this, donate money to international relief organizations, send a mail to your senator every once in a while. If everyone simply improved themselves little by little and started reacting instead of tacitly accepting, things WOULD improve.
It's like reading about the farms of sugar from south america in the XVII century.
Microsoft’s response
Fresh article from VICE News.
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Microsoft response to this story - Spokesperson
I expect Microsoft to not fuck around on this one. I hope others follow suit in short order.
Be sure to visit some of the links provided for further insights.
Report: Your Gadgets Are Made by Re-Education Camp Prisoners in China
A new report from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute alleges that Beijing is using Uyghur prison labor in factories producing goods for Apple, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, and others.
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Microsoft response to this story - Spokesperson
I expect Microsoft to not fuck around on this one. I hope others follow suit in short order.
Be sure to visit some of the links provided for further insights.
I just got done chatting with a nintendo of America representative.
" Of course! I'll also forward on some feedback for you just to make sure that everyone is aware of the article. Thank you so much for reaching out to us about this! If you have additional questions or concerns, don't hesitate to visit support.nintendo.com or reach out to one of our chat or SMS agents on support.nintendo.com/contactus. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day and thanks for contacting Nintendo Consumer Service! "
I'm not sure if that will help, but I encourage anyone who can to contact these companies and make them aware to what's going on. At the very least, it will show that customers are starting to take notice of this situation.
" Of course! I'll also forward on some feedback for you just to make sure that everyone is aware of the article. Thank you so much for reaching out to us about this! If you have additional questions or concerns, don't hesitate to visit support.nintendo.com or reach out to one of our chat or SMS agents on support.nintendo.com/contactus. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day and thanks for contacting Nintendo Consumer Service! "
I'm not sure if that will help, but I encourage anyone who can to contact these companies and make them aware to what's going on. At the very least, it will show that customers are starting to take notice of this situation.