Its just going to be streaming on there compared to the usual CW->Netflix, not an actual Max show.
Budget is the usual not even Titans level which is far below Doom Patrol's.
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Batwoman S1 |OT| The Rise of the House of Kane - 8/7c on The CW
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Budget is the usual not even Titans level which is far below Doom Patrol's.
Well, that was a CW-ass premiere. Like, it checked off every box of a CW show pilot as if they've learned nothing from all the other shows over the years. I expect it will improve once the season is over and they find their footing.
I'm almost positive the voice-over narration and diary writing to Bruce will be axed as well as the amount of corny licensed music. But, you compare this to Titans and it's like night and day.
I'm almost positive the voice-over narration and diary writing to Bruce will be axed as well as the amount of corny licensed music. But, you compare this to Titans and it's like night and day.
That wasnt Wayne manor. Thats just Wayne Enterprises office Building. It just has a Batcave.
Yeah. But Kate was talking about it like she grew up there. Complete with flashbacks.
The flashbacks were in his office I assume she just visited there a lot. Its defs not Wayne Manor.
That's because it, like everything else, is Vancouver. I'm betting it'll get even less Gothamish fairly quickly as the CW inevitably chokes the budget out of the show.
From what I remember that was just for the pilot. Get ready for the art gallery, library, Riverview, and that road beside the skytrain from here on out!
The annoying part is that I can already see exactly which role each of the side characters is going to slot into moving forward. They've set things up with the perfect set of stock CW character archetypes and it's probably not going to change.
Stepmom will almost assuredly turn out to be a secret full villain, stepsister is going to be the well-intentioned friend character who gets alienated and becomes an on-again-off-again bad guy (Killer Frost), they'll do a will-they-won't-they with Kate's ex, and Luke is gonna be the Cisco/Curtis type who spends most of the series hanging out in HQ until the actor gets bored and asks to do fight scenes until they again get bored.
That checks out, there have been numerous times in Batman's history where he wasn't living at Wayne Manor but an apartment in downtown Gotham which led to it's own batcave where he moved the stuff from the main cave too.
It's during the Time pre-crisis where Dick is in college and Bruce starts seeing Silver St cloud.
I'm guessing that due to the generally run-down state of the downtown Batcave, this would be a backup cave, then. I was looking around for any trophies (giant coin, etc) from past villain defeats but this was a really, really spartan cave overall.
Modern creators in film/TV don't seem to enjoy the trophies. Nolan and Snyder's Batmen also had pretty simple and kinda generic looking caves.
You would think the Arrowverse take on Batman would be a little less prone to that, but I guess they're trying to be as cagey as possible about which villains Batman even took down...
Which is odd considering how much of Arkham we saw and we know Bats was active for at least 15 or so years based on how old Kate was in her flashbacks. And considering Oliver himself took down more than a few of Batman's bad guys.
Liked the pilot. Maybe I just really enjoy Ruby in the role. Felt like a good set-up. I guess we'll have the Alice story play out & then jump to the present day.
Got excited for about 4 seconds, when the kid says, Look it's batman. The rest of it was just ok. Hope it gets better.
Suit doesn't look bad.
Suit doesn't look bad.
this is not a good pilot. fight choreography is decent, but that's about it. writing, acting (Rose and Skarsten are incredibly bland), and direction (the clumsy integration of flashbacks and the abuse of narration to underline plot points that shouldn't need underlining) are all below par by Arrowverse standards
also, while I get why they created an original love interest in place of Maggie Sawyer or Renee Montoya, I don't really understand why they couldn't use Bette Kane
also, while I get why they created an original love interest in place of Maggie Sawyer or Renee Montoya, I don't really understand why they couldn't use Bette Kane
Does Kate even have a step mother and sister in the comics? I don't remember seeing that when I was reading those books 10 years ago.
Yeah I don't recall the stepsister thing either.
Sister definitely though.
I liked the idea of her in the role, but it was mediocre at best.
Might watch another episode or two, buy looks like a pass for me. Don't have time for bad shows.
Might watch another episode or two, buy looks like a pass for me. Don't have time for bad shows.
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In Elegy she has a step mother (Catherine) but had a cousin named Mary which was changed for the show
I really dug Kate as a protagonist. This was my first CW show in like two seasons, mainly because Flash's quality kinda took a drop after Savitar, but I was pleasantly surprised by the show. Excited to keep up with this during the lead into Crisis.
I appreciate that Kate is telling them Alice's identity. This could have totally been one of those CW things where she kept it a secret from everyone else and drama ensued, so I like they're avoiding that.
I thought it was aight. So like Supergirl they need to stop constantly referring to their cousin. I imagine it will happen with time.
That was more dull and sloppy than I thought it'd be. Like, there wasn't really anything in the premiere that made me want to see more, which is something I could say about the other shows.
Part of it I guess is that this just feels like a worse Arrow.
Well yea, this is a DC CW show, not DC Universe, so it'd be weird to expect that lol
That said, we know they can do good premieres, as shown with Black Lightning S1, so yea, it was underwhelming even when being generous.
Part of it I guess is that this just feels like a worse Arrow.
Well yea, this is a DC CW show, not DC Universe, so it'd be weird to expect that lol
That said, we know they can do good premieres, as shown with Black Lightning S1, so yea, it was underwhelming even when being generous.
At least he is missing, so that makes it better than the "Superman is on screen, but we can't show you him for reasons" of S1.
Its funny how WB worries it will confuse people and then a few years down we have 3 Supermen at once just on tv.
That was...fine. Mostly. There's been worse Arrowverse pilots. They need to drop the narration quickly because it's adding nothing to the show and for whatever reason, Ruby Rose sounds like she's reading it out loud as some sort of chore that she needs to get through, so hopefully that will be one of the ways that the show finds its feet.
That was heavily signposted in online stories anyway. In some cases it was just spoiled outright. The CW shows do have a habit of dragging out this type of reveal but I think in this case it would have been silly.
I think they'd have struggled to get Batwoman to the point where she is in Elseworlds in a single episode. She'd clearly been operating as a vigilante hero for a while by that time. I guess we're going to have a timeskip or two.
I imagine so too, although I think they will struggle to bring the Batman plotline to any kind of satisfying conclusion. With Supergirl, it got really silly at times, but at least there was a slightly plausible narrative reason to have Superman out of the picture most of the time, since he was operating in a different city. Batwoman can't really bring back Batman and then have him not flying around Gotham.
Let's all pause to remember the amazing Superman boots cameo from season 1.
I don't disagree, I only think that show is just alright. But it was still a breath of fresh air compared to the beyond tired CW formula.
id agree with season 1, but season 2 has shifted tonally and creatively more toward the CW stuff which I find it weird that certain parts of the DC fandom praise it so much.
forced drama
Character keeping secrets from each other
Somehow Deathstoke doesn't die fighting starfirw
Characters not in costume and using real names in front of villains
I still love it though.
Okay,just watched it and it was ok...not the greatest Origin story but she is good and I also like her sister,she played in Lost Girl,Reign and a few other shows,she is a good actress...will keep watching.
Ah, I was speaking as someone that hasn't started S2 yet.
That's a shame.
I surprisingly enjoyed it. I was expecting the worst hearing impressions. Pretty average premiere, but not terrible. I enjoyed the fight scenes.
I see, well hopefully future DCU shows can continue to keep their relatively high budget. I guess Netflix helps subsidize some of those.
I did find it funny that the Bat Cave was under Wayne Building lol. But, having the heart of operation in the middle of city would make more sense (to me), then dozens/etc of miles away, thus leading to time wasting. Kinda like the 1st Arrow cave in the middle of the Glades and under his Club.
I do wonder where the Catmobile comes out though.
I do wonder where the Catmobile comes out though.
I don't think it's the actual Batcave. It's just a 2nd smaller one under Wayne Tower like in Dark Knight or the Arkham games.
It's a CW superhero show, you should've guessed that going in.
Crazy to think Smallville was pulling close to ~2.5M per episode less than a decade ago in its final season.