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elyetis

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,555
Fucking lol. This hasn't aged well.

Nothing ever said about battlefield V by Dice ever aged well.
There is post saying that team auto balance was a priority, more than a year ago now I think.
The E3 road map which ended up wrong on multiple front.
What they said they were doing for Firestorm.
What they said about their anti cheat effort.
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Soap NickTavish

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 30, 2017
821
Wait, they never got to Normandy or the Eastern Front?

I did play the Pacific maps a little bit, which were fun, but the content came too little to late and was not substantial enough.

They're not very good at the live services stuff, go back to the old format.
 

thejpfin

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,009
Finland
bf4 remain the last good battlefield and i don't see that changing any time soon
True. BF4 still looks amazing and plays great. It would be great if Bf4 still got updates, like new guns and maps, but AAA-multiplayer games have weird mentality that they stop supporting the game after a year or two, even if the game still has a solid playerbase. Meanwhile CS:GO and Siege are still getting constant updates.
 

Joffy

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,153
BFV has the best gunplay in the series and the best gunplay of any FPS on the market today. I really enjoyed the Pacific content and the Greek maps.

There were a lot of problems surrounding it but I agree. Overall I had a great time with it, and some of the criticism feels a touch overblown and has undoubtedly led to its downfall. It's sad to see it go out with a whimper like it has but fingers crossed the next one can deliver
 

Deleted member 18944

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
6,944
You're going to have to read between the lines because they're too classy to bad mouth their employer on the way out.

There's nothing in their comments that even remotely suggests that they quit because

the new people responsible for the last TTK debacle are now running the show.

And in that same Reddit post, you have a former producer saying this:

As a former DICE veteran, I think I can give some insight. Of course there is always more than one single reason, but I think a big part is already answered in your question: veterans. When you've worked on the same franchise for -10 years, you've seen it all. Having the same passion for the next Battlefield gets harder and harder, and at some point it is better to realize it is time to take a break and do something else for a bit.

It is not always a nefarious thing when people move on. I still love Battlefield and DICE, and heck, even EA (an excellent employer).

Hope that sheds some light.

Favoring metrics over player clear and detailed feedback from vets who have been playing the game for decades to chase this or that trend is just bad at the conceptual level. There's no sugar coating it. They ignored good advice because of what a spreadsheet said. That is how we get stuff like "sense of pride and accomplishment."

Metrics provide valuable insight into what works and what doesn't. Why do you think they even collect that data? There is an incredible amount of proof that analyzing the data and research and actioning on the conclusions can be very beneficial.

Again. Just because the implementation is shit does not mean the method doesn't work. And it does work.

Gamers are not good game developers. Their "advice" is often unhelpful comments that you can't exactly decipher as to what the main issue they are having.
 

Rogue Kiwi

Chicken Chaser
Banned
May 5, 2019
725
Easily the worst/most disappointing Battlefield game ever made, and I played BF4 at launch.
 
Jan 4, 2018
8,634
They didn't even get to the Eastern Front.

A multi-theater WWII FPS without the Eastern Front. How is that EVEN possible?!?

Their so-called "journey through the Second World War" skipped:

- the whole Eastern front (80% percent of all German military casualties)
- D-Day, Normandy and the Western front 1944-1945
- Italy
- the end of the war (when the most brutal and bloody battles occured, Berlin, the Bulge, Okinawa...)

"WW2 as you have never seen it before"

And if their June map is another desert map, well... I don't know what to say.

 
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Nephilim

Member
Oct 28, 2017
5,278
BFV is a mismanaged product no doubt about that, but people should learn to appreciate what the game does right.
There is literally no contest that BFV has the best gunplay and best movement system of any fps game on the market today. If there is one please tell me, i'd gladly try it out.
 

thejpfin

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,009
Finland
BFV is a mismanaged product no doubt about that, but people should learn to appreciate what the game does right.
There is literally no contest that BFV has the best gunplay and best movement system of any fps game on the market today. If there is one please tell me, i'd gladly try it out.
Gunplay wise, imo Escape from Tarkov has better gunplay. But I do think BFV has the best "arcade" gunplay currently.
 

GameChanger

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,935
Battlefield V is one of the most disappointing games I have ever played. I have been a big fan of the Battlefield series and love WW2 history so this game could have have been one of my all-time favorites. Instead we got a barebones game that barely resembles anything WW2 related. It's a shame that they focused on the "unknown" battles of the early war like Narvick and North Africa maps.

I cannot believe that we didn't get the Eastern Front and Western Allies vs Germany. I had been waiting and hoping they would eventually give us Battle of Moscow, Kursk, Stalingrad, Berlin, Normandy Landing, Monte Casino, Battle of The Bulge ect. The only thing they gave us is massive blue balls. It's going to be a very long time until we get a new AAA WW2 Battlefield. This game was the biggest fucking waste of time.

I will not be buying the next Battlefield game at launch. I am going to wait for a major price drop and proper amount of content. Dice has consistently been one of the worst AAA developers over the past few years.
 
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Hidden One

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,429
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I honestly don't even care for another Battlefield title anytime soon. I hope and plead EA lets DICE take the time it takes to give us another Battlefield 3/4. Release it for 2023 that should be plenty of time.
 

Mahonay

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,316
Pencils Vania
I'd much rather them focus on the next game and put this one to bed. It's the least I've ever enjoyed a Battlefield game, I don't really care if they didn't get to Normandy.

I'm excited that they're taking longer to work the next entry and we'll be seeing the first next gen Battlefield game.
 

Charcoal

Member
Nov 2, 2017
7,514
BFV is a mismanaged product no doubt about that, but people should learn to appreciate what the game does right.
There is literally no contest that BFV has the best gunplay and best movement system of any fps game on the market today. If there is one please tell me, i'd gladly try it out.
I think its gunplay is the one thing that's been widely praised (outside of the TTK issues)
 

Smokey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,176
Man they fucked up as making this the big GaaS game about world war 2. Meanwhile Battlefield 4 could be considered as one of the best shooters ever.

This revisionist history about BF4 is always amusing to watch. DICE LA had to save the game. Nobody was coming to save BF V, and to make matters worse, Warzone is providing those BFesque moments, and for free.

BF V has been a mess from jump. The constant meta adjustment for things that nobody asked for, sparse content, and zero direction or vision probably made this one of the worst entries. I still got some fun out of it, but they have got to come harder for BF6. Drop SP and completely focus on MP, and go all in.
 

Mahonay

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,316
Pencils Vania
This revisionist history about BF4 is always amusing to watch. DICE LA had to save the game. Nobody was coming to save BF V, and to make matters worse, Warzone is providing those BFesque moments, and for free.

BF V has been a mess from jump. The constant meta adjustment for things that nobody asked for, sparse content, and zero direction or vision probably made this one of the worst entries. I still got some fun out of it, but they have got to come harder for BF6. Drop SP and completely focus on MP, and go all in.
You are so right about Warzone. I do have people on my friends list still playing on BFV, but I'm having way too much fun with Call of Duty Warzone. It's giving me that feeling of "anything can happen and I can do anything that I put my mind to" that Battlefield used to give me but was totally missing in BFV.
 
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Oct 31, 2017
3,287
bf4 remain the last good battlefield and i don't see that changing any time soon
Yup, it's the only one I'm still playing. It's not perfect by any means but it's miles ahead of the newer BF games.

If DICE doesn't do something major and get their shit together for BF6 then the franchise will die. BF6 is their last chance to get things right.
 

EvilChameleon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,793
Ohio
What a sad disappointment this game was. The maps were okay, but everything else was blah. The menu system was so unwelcoming.

It's going to be tough for DICE to rebound after this one. Even if their next Battlefield game is the best ever, people aren't going to believe it until it launches with tons of content, no server issues, etc. Thus, that will hurt the day one sales of the game, and thus, that will make EA more likely to force them to pull the plug and limit content.

Again.
 
Oct 26, 2017
17,373
What an absolute waste this entire game was, it just keeps dawning on me how disappointing this was from the reveal trailer to now.
 

Loxley

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,618
The fact that this was Battlefield's big return to WW2 but it didn't launch with Wake Island as a playable map really should have been the first red flag that all was not well with the direction of this game :P
 
Oct 29, 2017
2,600
This revisionist history about BF4 is always amusing to watch. DICE LA had to save the game. Nobody was coming to save BF V, and to make matters worse, Warzone is providing those BFesque moments, and for free.

BF V has been a mess from jump. The constant meta adjustment for things that nobody asked for, sparse content, and zero direction or vision probably made this one of the worst entries. I still got some fun out of it, but they have got to come harder for BF6. Drop SP and completely focus on MP, and go all in.

I haven't seen anyone deny that BF4 launched in an absolutely awful state. 2013 was 7 years ago, as it currently stands, its a fantastic shooter.
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
Game launched with little content having everyone anticipate they'd support it long enough to cover all of the WWII settings everyone wanted to see and they only got as far as the Pacific and dropped it. Another fuck up in DICE's book. Glad this game was just a gift.

This franchise certainly needs a break, though. Gotta recapture what the momentum they had with BF3.
 

FuturaBold

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,520
I played BFV the least compared to BF4 (best!) and 1. Still BFV had its moments. Sadly I jumped ship and went back to Division 2 because of the new content.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,312
BFV is a mismanaged product no doubt about that, but people should learn to appreciate what the game does right.
There is literally no contest that BFV has the best gunplay and best movement system of any fps game on the market today. If there is one please tell me, i'd gladly try it out.
Best gunplay and movement... of ANY FPS? I don't know maybe they fixed it but trying to mantle the tiniest ledge and then slipping back down is infuriating. Granted that is happening a bit in COD Warzone but not as bad as it was in BFV. So there is candidate one, movement definitely feels better in COD. At least in their states at and near launch. And just thinking about CODMW.. there is no way that the Gunfight mode in that would be anywhere near as satisfying with BFV mechanics slapped on. I'll give BFV better recoil and Battlefield has always done hipfire and SMGs better IMO... but MW's mounting system is much slicker than the god awful mounting that you were supposed to do with LMGs in BFV. Oh and whatever faux dual-rendering zoom COD is doing on the sniper scopes gives sniping a much nicer feel than BFV.

For pure gunplay I would take PUBG and R6 Siege as well.

Titanfall/Apex definitely did movement better, and I loved the gunplay in those but it's a bit apples/oranges. But you did say ANY FPS.

Don't get me wrong, BFV's gunplay is a nice step for the franchise and it's one of the game's strongest points. But the only front BFV leads the market in is graphical fidelity IMO.
 

Keasar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,724
Umeå, Sweden
Dear DICE.

NEVER make a game in a historical setting again. Not because you can't or shouldn't, but just so I don't ever have to listen to all the "MUH HISTORICAL ACCURACY!" cunts again. It is not fucking worth it.

Please. This game has taught me that I vehemently fucking hate the Battlefield community of today. Fucking. Hate. Them.

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Fuck historical settings. Fuck catering to these assholes.

The community was against them from fucking minute one the moment they saw a woman in the reveal trailer. Everything about it looked Battlefield. It could have been great. But no, the one thing so many hanged themselves up on, the constant nagging every single fucking day, night, every post on Reddit, was related to that woman cause she was not "accurate". I am so fucking livid with these people. Fuck these Wehraboos.
 
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Eggiem

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,776
I dont know who made the decision but raising the TTK again was one of the greatest dev fuckups I have ever seen. They completely ruined their balancing. Nothing DICE ever did comes close. How can devs be soo stubborn when even pro gamers and huge influencers like JackFrags or Levelcap mention that they dropped the game because of this?
 

medyej

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,436
I stand by my assertion that BFV has the best BF gameplay marred by the worst actual product and content in the series. Outside of the awful TTK debacle patches of course.

The worst part is DICE will absolutely take the wrong lessons from this. They'll go back to slow as fuck TTK, random weapon inaccuracy, suppression(ugh), and full bore spotting so all you are doing is shooting doritos all game.

In an ideal world BFV's movement, gunplay, recoil, squad system/revives, attrition, and fortifications would have been in a game that they gave proper support to and with a premium pass for even more content. Instead we got the most half assed product we could.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,295
Man, what a colossal disappointment and a total clusterfuck.

Coming off of BF1, I was super hyped for a return to WWII with all the modern BF trappings and technology. Maybe the gameplay is ok but EA just completely mangled this game's messaging and just everything about it from the get go.

And the sad thing is, its really not that hard- just basically remake BF1942 in the modern Frostbite engine with some extra dynamic destruction and that probably what a ton of people wanted. Its certainly what I wanted and will likely never get now that EA/DICE screwed this up so badly.

Whoever thought it would be a great idea to launch a WWII BF game without any marquee Western Front or Eastern Front battles should not be involved in making BF games. What a complete disappointment, but then again, its EA.
 

Linus815

Member
Oct 29, 2017
19,766
I stand by my assertion that BFV has the best BF gameplay marred by the worst actual product and content in the series. Outside of the awful TTK debacle patches of course.

The worst part is DICE will absolutely take the wrong lessons from this. They'll go back to slow as fuck TTK, random weapon inaccuracy, suppression(ugh), and full bore spotting so all you are doing is shooting doritos all game.

In an ideal world BFV's movement, gunplay, recoil, squad system/revives, attrition, and fortifications would have been in a game that they gave proper support to and with a premium pass for even more content. Instead we got the most half assed product we could.

Maybe in terms of infantry id agree....
but vehicular combat? Nah, BF5 is a step back even compared to BF1 in a lot of ways, at least it was when I played back in 2018/early 2019.
 

Mahonay

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,316
Pencils Vania
I dont know who made the decision but raising the TTK again was one of the greatest dev fuckups I have ever seen. They completely ruined their balancing. Nothing DICE ever did comes close. How can devs be soo stubborn when even pro gamers and huge influencers like JackFrags or Levelcap mention that they dropped the game because of this?
You know you fucked up when you lose two of the biggest Battlefield diehards on YouTube.
 

DaciaJC

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,685
I still remember my giddiness at seeing the announcement that Battlefield would finally be returning to WWII, my favorite setting for shooters. That reveal trailer certainly gave a lot of people pause, though, and I guess DICE never quite managed to find their footing after that. Such a shame. Hopefully this doesn't mark the end of historical settings for the series, as there are a lot of lessons to be learned from BFV's failings and I'm sure DICE still has it in them to put out a great game.
 

medyej

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,436
Maybe in terms of infantry id agree....
but vehicular combat? Nah, BF5 is a step back even compared to BF1 in a lot of ways, at least it was when I played back in 2018/early 2019.

Yeah, true. I don't play vehicles so that stuff didn't really affect me but I did enjoy the better class balance with assaults getting anti vehicle stuff so that there was more interplay between tanks and the average soldier.
 

Zombegoast

Member
Oct 30, 2017
14,233
EA really needs to stop killing the franchise. BF3 was supposed to be the series returning since 2142 and two years later we got the mess of a game with BF4. Then we got Hardlines soon after that Battlefront, then BF1, Battlefront 2 and finally BFV.

6 games in 7 years. Just pick a theme stick with it for the rest if the gen.You don't see Siege, CS, Fortnite and fighting games getting yearly sequels.
 

Deleted member 30681

user requested account closure
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Nov 4, 2017
3,184
EA really needs to stop killing the franchise. BF3 was supposed to be the series returning since 2142 and two years later we got the mess of a game with BF4. Then we got Hardlines soon after that Battlefront, then BF1, Battlefront 2 and finally BFV.

6 games in 7 years. Just pick a theme stick with it for the rest if the gen.You don't see Siege, CS, Fortnite and fighting games getting yearly sequels.
I fuckin Adored Battlefield 3, but the state BF4 launched in, was the reason I haven't bought a Battlefield game since. Words cannot describe how excited I was. I remember pre-ordering the PS3 version, pre-ordering Premium, and buying the PS3 to PS4 upgrade thing, and just being extremely excited.

Then the game came out......

Even excusing the abysmal last gen versions (I don't really know if it's fair to blame Dice on this, the PS3/360 versions were a mess, but we were also very much at the point where those systems were starting to show their age), the state of the game on PS4 was unacceptable for me. Still remember the constant crashing on the shanghai map, and the god awful netcode.

I know the game is now very much regarded as one of the best BF games in the series, but I don't really think that excuses the state the game was in for the better part of a year. Dice lost me as a customer as a result.
 

DntSpwnOnMe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
550
The faster they move on from V the better. Nothing about this game is fun, especially the vehicle combat, to me. All they need to do is remake 4 and add all the maps from 3 and 4. Bring back premium and no mtx
 

SapientWolf

Member
Nov 6, 2017
6,565
There's nothing in their comments that even remotely suggests that they quit because



And in that same Reddit post, you have a former producer saying this:





Metrics provide valuable insight into what works and what doesn't. Why do you think they even collect that data? There is an incredible amount of proof that analyzing the data and research and actioning on the conclusions can be very beneficial.

Again. Just because the implementation is shit does not mean the method doesn't work. And it does work.

Gamers are not good game developers. Their "advice" is often unhelpful comments that you can't exactly decipher as to what the main issue they are having.
I trust the feedback from long time BF franchise players more than the guy responsible for FIFA's microtransactions. Pretty clear where EA's priorities are these days.
 
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dex3108

Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,587
Well thing is that even though this gen wasn't kind to EA they still made more money than like 90% of developers and publishers. Their sports section is making them so much money that they don't need to release anything else.
 

Acinixys

Banned
Nov 15, 2017
913
I'm not even upset

BF5 was a disaster from that initial trailer reveal

The fact that the game still doest have an auto balance feature for lopsided servers is a joke

Hopefully they put someone else in charge of the next one, because damn I was dissapointed

I put more than 500 hours each into BF 3,4 and 1

With 5 i barely touched 200.
 

ItsBobbyDarin

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,905
Egyptian residing in Denmark
Battlefield V was a dream of mine. And it got butchered from the start. What a fucking waste. Battlefield 3 and 1 was all time favorites.

All the talk about "journey through the war bla bla bla" was a fucking lie. Goodbye Stalingrad, Normandy, and fall of Berlin. The operations could have been one of a kind. What a waste.