Well that may be. But what if all records of war are lost in the distant future due to some catastrophe except Battlefield V and future people think it's accurate? What then?
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Battlefield fans are upset you play as a regretful Nazi soldier in the new War Story
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Yeah that's not a great decision, but I can understand their hesitation for wanting to use the Red Army in the game.
Naw, if you are going to a ww2 campaign at least have the real sides
People keep saying there's Americans in Berlin - Are we sure this is Berlin? I'm not seeing it on a quick google.
That Mitchell & Webb Look.
That Mitchell & Webb Look.
I mean they are probably already working on the americans stuff
This seems like a huge missed opportunity to portray the Battle of Castle Itter, the only battle in the war where American and German troops (plus an SS Captain) fought alongside each other. But the only Wehrmacht troops present there were infantry (they were defending a group of French POWs from capture by a company of Waffen SS troops).
Hell, it'd even give the opportunity to humanize an SS Officer.
Hell, it'd even give the opportunity to humanize an SS Officer.
This is dumb. This wasn't a case of Waffen SS getting all the good shit while the regular Wehrmacht were expendable infantry. There were Wehrmacht and Waffen SS Panzer units.
Well yes, it is a video game, but if your gonna utilize the themes of redemption, portray the collapse of the Nazi regime, and the despair of its people, the approach of the Red Army, which was portrayed by the Nazis to the German people as the end of the German race is a essential part of the story of the defeat of Germany.
For them to be replaced by the Americans as the enemy entering Berlin, just feels extremely....bullshit. It would be like if Call of Duty did a Omaha beach scene but replaced the Americans with the Russians, its jarring, its grossly unhistoric, and if DICE is gonna lift the human suffering and anguish of those final months, it really undermines the story by replacing the Russians with the Americans.
Also this brings up the uncomfortable reality that whoever created this story either intended to lift Berlin as a setting for the SP and MP, but not the Russians, or was forced to release this before the creation of the Russian faction, meaning its another sign of EA rushing stuff out for money, which is not fine in my book. Its one thing to be "not historical", its another to be cheap.
Yeah, same. It's one comment thread with one butthurt dude, in one Reddit post. Title should read "one Battlefield fan on Reddit is mad that you play as a regretful Nazi."
And he's not even that mad. I don't get what's noteworthy about this.
Are you aware of exact history of the Battle of Berlin and what the Red Army did after it was over?
Yeah, I was scratching my head also over this. Why not model some cheap soviet tanks and some red army soldiers and call it the day? DICE must have known that many, with just a little bit of knowledge of WW2, that Americans were not in Berlin in the final days.
I do not understand the notion, that if you want to play as Nazis, you must be a sympathizer. Does enjoying watching The Undergang (Downfall) make someone a Nazi? A Nazi perspective has never been done in a video game, and it is sad that DICE chooses the easy route on this. Of course, we have yet to play it, but we all knew it after The Last Tiger was revealed how it was going to start, and how it would end.
I do not understand the notion, that if you want to play as Nazis, you must be a sympathizer. Does enjoying watching The Undergang (Downfall) make someone a Nazi? A Nazi perspective has never been done in a video game, and it is sad that DICE chooses the easy route on this. Of course, we have yet to play it, but we all knew it after The Last Tiger was revealed how it was going to start, and how it would end.
I don't have the faith in DICE to tell a compelling story that is actually deep or introspective. I really feel like they should have stayed away from this one. If the story is "I'm a bad guy but I don't want to be." There just really isn't anything compelling or realistic about that in any way... Now if they tell the story about some poor sap getting swept up in a furvor to defend his country and in the end committing atrocities against his own kind he never signed off on that sounds interesting but I just don't see DICE pulling it off in a way that's actually meaningful.
In the end, I feel like DICE is running with a lot of complaints about BF1 and implementing them in WW2.
BF1 comes out:
"This game has too much America!!! America didn't even join the war until much later on... and, seriously, where is France?"
BFV doesn't have any American factions or guns.
BF1 comes out:
"Why didn't you include Germany as a playable faction in the campaign? These guys weren't Nazis, y'know. You could have portrayed them as sympathetic characters. Good people killing good people is kind of the distinguishing tragedy from WW2."
BFV releases a fucking Nazi campaign.
Seriously. What the fuck here DICE?
Side note: Say what you want about BFV... this little rant has re-boiled my blood about BF1's lack of French or German campaigns. Fucking whyyyyyy?
In the end, I feel like DICE is running with a lot of complaints about BF1 and implementing them in WW2.
BF1 comes out:
"This game has too much America!!! America didn't even join the war until much later on... and, seriously, where is France?"
BFV doesn't have any American factions or guns.
BF1 comes out:
"Why didn't you include Germany as a playable faction in the campaign? These guys weren't Nazis, y'know. You could have portrayed them as sympathetic characters. Good people killing good people is kind of the distinguishing tragedy from WW2."
BFV releases a fucking Nazi campaign.
Seriously. What the fuck here DICE?
Side note: Say what you want about BFV... this little rant has re-boiled my blood about BF1's lack of French or German campaigns. Fucking whyyyyyy?
Yes. Are you suggesting the devs would HAVE to cover that if they included the soviets ? In a two-hour bit of story that has german POV ? They'll barely even feature as anything else but shooting targets.
I don't know, it seemed incredibly easy to me to just present the accurate nations that fought this battle. It just screams "we didn't have the time for models and VA".
This is exactly what I took from it, and they even mention BF2 in the post.
Disregarding the horrible OP, after watching the trailer I tried a quick search on the internet to verify if this is supposed to portray battle of Berlin and found nothing. If there are some visual clues I don't see them. Americans didn't cross the Elbe, so this campaign could very well take place in western Germany in the last days of war. Found an interview with DICE that says this is not gonna be a 'hero' story and it will deal heavily with the consequences of following hateful ideology. I'm expecting nothing.
Either way as someone Polish I can't say I feel too good about having regretful Nazis in my entertainment, but oh well.
Not directed at me, but I feel the need to reply to this asinine comment. What are you getting at here?
Either way as someone Polish I can't say I feel too good about having regretful Nazis in my entertainment, but oh well.
Not directed at me, but I feel the need to reply to this asinine comment. What are you getting at here?
because the human beings, even those fighting on the side on Nazi back in WW2, isn't just binary black & white.
I know ERA loves to portray every human either as paragon of virtue (feed a stray dog some food) or literally scum of the earth (did not feed a stray dog some food)...i mean just look at EtcetEra....
but...*GASP*....human beings actually operates more than just in binary terms like zeros and ones?. SHOCKING! i know...
I'm saying that in today's political climate I could understand if DICE had some hesitations about putting the Red Army in a position to look like heroes in the Battle of Berlin given what they did to that city after the Battle was over.
I'm not saying that's why Russia isn't in the game yet, but if they told me that it was I would understand.
I'm not a fan of this one bit because the whole thing screams Clean Wehrmacht Myth. I expect some bullshit of "noble warrior Panzer crew gets their eyes opened witnessing SS brutality" when in reality the Wehrmacht were absolutely integral in all of the atrocities and war crimes committed by Germany and they all knew what was going on the whole time.
Well like someone said most tank people were ss who did some of the most horrific events in human history.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having a legitimate German campaign mission. "Legitimate" meaning they don't need to add some kind of "catch" to make things more palpable.
I'm not saying I want to play as a concentration camp guard, but there's a pretty broad range of experiences between full on "SS Death Squad" and an on-the-nose mission where guys sit around and ponder the negative consequences of fascism. Dice has shown in the past that they don't care at all about historical accuracy, but if they're going to pretend that America was somehow involved in the Battle of Berlin then that's pretty nuts.
I was kind of shocked that there was no backlash over the Battlefield V intro level where they clearly tried to humanize the Germans.
I'm not saying I want to play as a concentration camp guard, but there's a pretty broad range of experiences between full on "SS Death Squad" and an on-the-nose mission where guys sit around and ponder the negative consequences of fascism. Dice has shown in the past that they don't care at all about historical accuracy, but if they're going to pretend that America was somehow involved in the Battle of Berlin then that's pretty nuts.
I was kind of shocked that there was no backlash over the Battlefield V intro level where they clearly tried to humanize the Germans.
They're pissed because he's a nazi, or because he regrets it? Lol.
Anyway, wehrmacht resentment of the SS and nazi ideology was no secret. There was the battle of castle itter where u.s troops fought alongside surrendered wehrmacht soldiers against an SS battalion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Castle_Itter
Anyway, wehrmacht resentment of the SS and nazi ideology was no secret. There was the battle of castle itter where u.s troops fought alongside surrendered wehrmacht soldiers against an SS battalion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Castle_Itter
yah...i'm not saying these Nazi deserved redemption but you did said most, not all. I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that they will be some nazi back then that joined the party due to just wanting to stay alive instead of believing in Hitler's lunacy...i mean Oskar Schindler was a nazi and he did it for convenience for his business and thanks to his relationship with the Nazi, he was able to save thousands of jews working in his factory.
Again, framing that Nazi = bad, Allies = good is like trying to frame WW2 like some kind of Lord of the rings: Sauron vs the kingdoms of middle earth type of binary simplicity.
Yes, Nazi germany is shitty. But there were soldiers on both sides that have no choice but to follow orders because the alternative is a bullet to the head.
What is this?
Are you comparing Schindler to a SS soldier. and the Nazi murder like 6 mililon dude of course they were the bad guys. Nazis were motherfukers who were totally on board of Hitler's stuff open till fuck them over in
Wow thats what u get for creating FrostBite Engine and too realistic graphics.
Thanks bringing 32vs32 with BF4 to consoles. It had a sweet spot since then.
With Bf V its moving back to PC.
Thanks bringing 32vs32 with BF4 to consoles. It had a sweet spot since then.
With Bf V its moving back to PC.
So going with clean Wehrmacht huh? Yeah that one battle with 13 army soldiers makes up for the millions upon millions the Wehrmacht helped genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht
I dunno about a middle-aged Panzer commander having a redemption arc; there's a kid in that tank who looks like he's the 17-years-old lied-on-the-enlistment-form type right next to him throughout the trailer, he'd be a more likely candidate for a that.
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Ok, so false equivalency followed by Nuremberg defense. Got you fam. Now smash yourself over the head with the keyboard you used to write this garbage.
You're an idiot.
I'm of opinion that the reason you have all these Neo Nazi fucks is because of everyone's obsession over "preserving history"
Everyone was so damn focused on "Never Forget", all you really did was neatly pack up Nazi motifs and ideology just to inspire and indoctrinate an entire new generation.
Nazism should have been balled up and thrown in the trash.. not 'studied' and put into a museum
Everyone was so damn focused on "Never Forget", all you really did was neatly pack up Nazi motifs and ideology just to inspire and indoctrinate an entire new generation.
Nazism should have been balled up and thrown in the trash.. not 'studied' and put into a museum
You mean the myth of the good German soldier? Because there's plenty of evidence that the wehrmacht committed many atrocities during
You understand that the Nazis gave mandatory service to young boys and old men during the latter years, correct? He would not need to lie because he would be forced to serve.
I find an old man who has seen war far more likely to have the mental capacity to understand that maybe what he is doing is wrong.
who say they weren't? I am saying not all of them are token binary bad guys like you so wanted all of them to be.
like are you capable of thinking beyond binary? Do you see everything and everyone as either good or bad? If only human beings were so easy to classify...
Also, check your history...Schindler is a member of the Nazi Party...and he joined out of convenience for his business. And i did not compare him to a SS soldier. You are putting words in my mouth.
The idea that we should censor history to avoid it repeating itself is a really really bad one. The only reason people become neo nazis is that they aren't educated and you can't educate people if you censor the shit you don't like, the shit that hurt the world, etc.
Beyond binary? Is this some woke shit. The people like to tank commander supported a regmie build of hate in genocide.
I kinda agree, but also disagree.
Nazism needs not to be preserved, but to be remembered. And it should also be studied. What pushed the German population to vote for such a madman? Why did Hitler act as he did? We need to study it, to better confront future obstacles, such as the rise of the alt-right. Are there any parallels today with back then? Do the parties and their voters have something in common with those back then? Internation relations?
It needs to be remembered, studied, but not preserved.
If I remember correctly, in Anthony Beevors book 'Berlin: The Downfall', there was a story about the last working Tiger in the city fleeing West towards allied lines, escorting other troops and civilians, in order to evade capture by the Red Army. Maybe it's drawing inspiration from that?
It comes of to me at least as more of a "This is a retread of the same story they told in SWBF2 but just replace The Empire with Nazi's and the Rebels with The Allies" and outrage over the fact that DICE couldn't come up with a better story to tell.
I could be wrong though (and I'm sure there are people who actually are upset at Nazi's having a change of heart or are just trolling but you have to ignore the outliers)
I could be wrong though (and I'm sure there are people who actually are upset at Nazi's having a change of heart or are just trolling but you have to ignore the outliers)
I dunno specifically what battle this is, so I don't know when in the war it takes place, I just mean "the type," as in he appears eager in the trailer. The middle-aged guy with rank is also someone more likely to have perspective and knowledge of Nazi ideology, and yes, he has more capacity to see wrongs, a teen coming to that understanding is a more powerful arc because it would be more challenging for him.
ah...so a believer of 'bad guys evil guys' type of human simplicity, i see.......
i'll move along then. No point talking to someone believing that real life = mass effect.
you know what...i should have known better than to discuss history with ERA...what with their fixation on choosing a sides and anyone that's not on their sides is the enemy and the enemy should be totally vanquished and not allowed to be studied beyond what's being portrayed in a junior high textbook.
you have somebody above that said that any historical mentions of nazist should be 'buried' and not be studied...literally erasing history among other things.
I'm out.
Nice change of pace as far as SP campaign goes. As far as all the sensationalist, goes fuck yourselves.