I would argue only two maps were really poor from an infantry perspective, Panzerstorm and Al Sundan, similarly Galicia in BF1.
I really like Ballroom due to the murder hallway and options outside, but going 128 along with other major gameplay changes all at once did not help.
My problem with that is the scale, in kaleidoscope the distance between A and E will kill it's use as a flank route, well except for the team with the A flag playing Sundance because that character is broken.I only play CQ so my assessment of changes will only come from that side. Having 60% of the map as your main playable area with the top side left for flanking makes sense and compares well with Ballroom Blitz. The bottom side of that map has walls and artillery pieces but enough cover to flank the square or enemy home flags. There needs to be some open, less travelled space where infantry and vehicles can maneuver for the kind of map size.
The original map design is the essence of issue and they are just trying to improve without remaking the map entirely. Hopefully the dlc maps we get move away from that kind of design entirely so there will not be this foundational going forward.
Yeah it's fair, can't forget that they need to find solutions with limited amount of rework needed to make it work.
I'm hopefull it mean they finaly understood that their current vehicle spawn system is.. bad. Sometime limiting available option is a good thing, some of us have been saying it for years now. Of course you don't do it for the sake of limiting option, but in a multiplayer game you can't ignore that the freedom you give player can negatively impact the whole experience for everyone, and you simply can't expect people to not make the selfish choice given the opportunity.
I'd argue that base spawn being far from the first flag isn't really a problem, the biggest problem with the initial 'walking simulator experience" at the start of the round has little to do with the map design and is very easy to fix :
This isn't a bad idea. You could still have the base spawn option so people can recap their gimme flag if it's taken but starting up at the first flag is a good idea to get the action started faster.
I mean technically this post was only limited to map changes so presumably there will be others focuses for other topics. Now in some cases it's hard to just focus on a specific thing because invariably certain issues are related. Like certain vehicle systems are related to map design for specific reasons.
They did mention in the original post that this was the first issue they are focusing on.
We are all going to have probably slightly different expectations for this stuff until we actually see one of the maps redone. Personally my expectations are on the lower end of the scale. I want them to improve what they can. Add more cover. Make changes that make sense in a feasible manner. Bring points closer together. But I'm not expecting these maps to suddenly be on the omg scale of this map is 20 times better. I think there is something in between full make remakes and something that I can find more enjoyable when I play the base maps that the game shipped with. I think there has to be a balance between what is actually feasible and what needs to be done to make new content to honor the obligation that is required.
When the trailers were released and they started talking about map design, I had a feeling they would be significantly bigger than previous. What I expected though was taking a page out of Provence where you could expand the vehicle focused area to be as open as you want. On the other side there would be a dense infantry area and then mixed areas where both would be fine.
To be fair I am not completely opposed to what they have done here, because plenty of times when a sector was overrun I was able to go to a completely different side of the map. This is also a symptom of having captures so spread out though, so maps designed to be more dense like Provence would be a boon. One of the major factors to why I think this map design works well is access to infantry, mixed, and vehicle focused areas from deployment. You do not have to travel an extended or exposed distance to get to the area you prefer.
I'm a bit befuddled myself. I'd rather just get constant fixes and updates rather than this open ended "dialog" with users for long term changes. Honestly I still think there's a good core there but most importantly we need a lot of fixes and a lot more content.
That's all? Omg. I rip CoD Warzone constantly but they at least release constant updates.
Fair but we are talking about a (former) flagship franchise where the latest entry released recently. It feels like 2 interns are sitting there developing the updates, so it takes 3 month for each.
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That's it? Most bugs will prevail past this patch? Loadout bugs, invisibility bugs and so on?
There are always going to be stealth patching for issues if they do not know whether it is 100% gone, or for gun and gadget balancing sometimes.
If I was working on this game, I'd list as much as possible even if you have to qualify it as in the past as fixing or improving even if not perfect yet. Holding stuff for stealth changes is not the way to go about it at this stage of BF2042.
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