Are all mariko's units able to run at these clocks within the 2019 switch power budget. They may have clocked these chips down in order to maximize yields.
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Based on how tech has progressed since the Switch, how powerful could a Switch Pro in early 2021 actually be?
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Sure they can all run at those clocks but some may use more than 10/15W. I'm not sure if Nintendo are planning to overclock the firsts models after the release of the 2021 one.
It would be smart to raise the CPU speed to 1.2 GHz and GPU 868/407 MHz for all models in a future firmware update. It would give CPU/GPU starved games a bit of a performance boost and current games like Xoom 2 run a tad better or have a more stable frame rate
Generally "Pro" revisions should be about removing bottlenecks, not adding them. The last thing the Switch needs is more reasons why games might underperform in docked mode in addition to the memory bandwidth and boosted handheld profiles.
Oh then it should be 560 MHz.
I would be fine taking a hot to the battery with my Switch v1 for higher CPU and GPU speeds. I think the switch can handle it.
Ah I was thinking new configs could mean they were for 2133mhz, but I guess they'd have said so if that was the case.
Yeah they still need to talk about 3060 and lower end chips. Hopefully nano next as we have anticipated for some time now 🤔. 6AM is insane, unless it's pre-recorded.
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Yeah I'm also hoping for it but I doubt it. Would make more sense on a full blow next gen console
I wonder if they will announce a new Tegra line for new Nvidia shield units
If such a chip exists, its more than likely the same chip that's in next years switch units. In which case, maybe Nintendo have asked them not to talk about it.
They already announced their Tegra line, Orin which comes in 2022 goes down the whole stack of power profiles except for sub 5watt, which is where Nano Next in 2021 comes in, that is the entire list of devices for Tegra, the rumor that a custom 8nm Tegra chip is being made does exist from people who leak Nvidia stuff, and that would be whatever next year's model is, that would point to nano next being a salvaged part, and yeah we could hear about it in a hour, Tegra NX was announced around this time last year, so it isn't hard to imagine Nano Next being revealed today, though it doesn't have to be.
Perhaps the most relevant announcement?
NVIDIA Expands Developer Support for Arm Ecosystem | NVIDIA Blogs
NVIDIA is extending support for the Arm ecosystem across sectors from high perforrmance and cloud computing to embedded and personal systems.
blogs.nvidia.com
Perhaps the most relevant announcement?
NVIDIA Expands Developer Support for Arm Ecosystem | NVIDIA Blogs
NVIDIA is extending support for the Arm ecosystem across sectors from high perforrmance and cloud computing to embedded and personal systems.blogs.nvidia.com
Giving a nod to Chromebook and Windows ARM could be relevant for the longer term.
It's still a Jetson nano board with a TX1.
I have the feeling that this 8*A72 implementation is more a Melanox thing than a Nvidia internal development. That being said, an 8*ARM 70 family is clearly not out of reach especially in small 7BTr chips.
Sure it is but it's a Jetson product roadmap, so it lists separate 4GB and 8GB TX2 boards.
Let's not do that.
We're unlikely to see anything at an NVidia focused conference. We may see something at a shareholders meeting Q&A where they let on that such a thing exists, but no details.
We may see something come out of CES. CES is a place where they might do some business regarding the next switch with NDAs in play, but something may slip.
We may see something in December out of the blue too, but the last place I expect to see anything about the new Nintendo Switch, is announced on stage at an NVidia event.
Nvidia will wait for the Switch Pro to be announced and if the Pro is using a new SoC you will see nvidia's announcement of the chip show up at the same time with possibly a separate announcement for a new ShieldTV or something.
There is almost zero benefit for nvidia to preview the Switch Pro SoC right now because they aren't going to be selling that SoC to anyone else, so previewing it would just undermine Nintendo's announcement down the road. They already have the customer lined up, and this isn't a chip you can go down to your local computer store to pick up so there is no need for nvidia to pre-hype it to get consuner interest.
There is almost zero benefit for nvidia to preview the Switch Pro SoC right now because they aren't going to be selling that SoC to anyone else, so previewing it would just undermine Nintendo's announcement down the road. They already have the customer lined up, and this isn't a chip you can go down to your local computer store to pick up so there is no need for nvidia to pre-hype it to get consuner interest.
If it's coming out by end of Q1, January is the next date that makes the most sense. Nvidia conference or not. And it's not like Nvidia would announce the Switch Pro themselves. Just the chip, without mentioning Nintendo brand.
If a chip like that is announced, it doesn't take much connecting of dots to figure out Nintendo is going to use it.
They announced the X1 because they had no customer lined up at the time of announcement. The timeline for when the X1 was revealed matches closely to when Iwata started talking about the NX, which was some months later, so the deal was inked very early but not before the announcement.
Switch Pro SoC, if it's a new one and not a Mariko shrink running at even higher clocks, likely will not be announced before hand in all likelihood as they have already secured a customer and it is in the customer's interest to not have their big reveal spoiled.
They won't announce the chip 2Q before the new model rumoured release date.
If they're making a chip that's first and foremost for the next iteration of Nintendo Switch, do you think that Nintendo won't have it in the contract that they don't get to announce it until the Nintendo product is out? I don't think they'll be able to contractually.
The only thing Nvidia might talk more about is the already announced Nano Next that releases next year, the details on that chip could lead us back to its origin chip if it is a salvaged part, but it is good news that Nvidia continues to value 8 of the same cores over big and small core combinations.
Shocking. If only GTC has anything to do with consumer devices, ever.
I doubt that we'll hear much if anything until Nintendo will decide to announce its next gen h/w.
Don't know what all the shade here is about, Nvidia did announce a Tegra Nano Jetson board today, just not the Nano next. They also announced Tegra NX 11 months ago, so it's not like there was no new Tegra products announced today, or that there isn't a history of them being announced around this time of year.
For us regulars and people who are really following switch pro, yeah. For everyone else, no. But anyway Nintendo will do the announcing.
I'm making an end if March release date assumption. Nobody knows when it's coming out.
Iirc, the NX Xavier was announced/put in their website last fall. I brought it up back then iirc
They aren't "Tegra Nano Jetson" or "Tegra NX" and they aren't mobile SoCs targeting graphics applications either (i.e. "Tegra" anything).
A rough timeline on the consumer side of things. Note: "Erista" is the code name for Tegra X1.
March 2014: - Erista added to Tegra roadmap, will be Maxwell-based. This will be the successor to Logan, the Tegra K1 (Kepler based).
January 2015:- Tegra X1 "mobile superchip" is announced
March 2015: - Nvidia Shield TV micro-console announced, will use Tegra X1
March 2015: - Iwata mentions the Nintendo NX
May 2015: - Nvidia Shield TV is released
October 2016: - Nintendo reveals the Switch
March 2017: - Nintendo Switch is released
Also note (most of you know this but for others that don't) Nvidia never officially had a product called "Tegra X2"
Their Pascal-based SoC for automotive/AI stuff was codename Parker.
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They have pretty much phased out the Tegra name, (the T remains in TX1, L4T etc.) but from their Jetson documentation site:
The Jetson TX2 module is built with Tegra X2, a Parker Series SoC. This Technical Reference Manual focuses on the logical organization and control of the Parker Series SoC. It provides information for those modules that interface to external devices, or those that control fundamental chip operations. The modules detailed in this document provide an overview, any necessary programming guidelines, and a register listing for that module. Internal functional units such as video and graphics hardware acceleration are controlled by NVIDIA provided software and not documented here. Refer to the software release notes for features supported in your product.
Nvidia are selling a full board with a binned tegra X1 at $60 and they would probably be able to price the NX board down. Even more with 8 nm. I would not be surprised to see an updated Xavier chip (if not the base/die shrunk Xavier chip) in the new model.
At this point, die size and power consumption would not be a problem if Nintendo can get the chip at a good price. It consumes as much power as the original TX1 in handheld mode (on 12 nm, way less on 8 nm) and they would be able to add 2 to 3 hours with a high-end battery/better LCD screen.
Xavier could have been used as early as 2019 if the switch failed. Maybe it was Nintendo's plan B. Especially considering the fact that it would have been a 45W chip with base PS4 performances and DLSS-ready thanks to its Tensor cores and DLA.
At this point, die size and power consumption would not be a problem if Nintendo can get the chip at a good price. It consumes as much power as the original TX1 in handheld mode (on 12 nm, way less on 8 nm) and they would be able to add 2 to 3 hours with a high-end battery/better LCD screen.
Xavier could have been used as early as 2019 if the switch failed. Maybe it was Nintendo's plan B. Especially considering the fact that it would have been a 45W chip with base PS4 performances and DLSS-ready thanks to its Tensor cores and DLA.
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I'm slowly preparing myself for a Mariko Switch Pro. Would be really underwhelming if that's all we got though if the performance boost is there I would still buy it.
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