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Burbank

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Tragic.

What is going on inside the heads of the teachers and administrators at this school?

I feel like there might be a strong, I don't know, social contagion of apathy among the students? Like I get it, I've been there, if you're surrounded by peers who aren't invested and don't care you're less likely to be invested yourself. And the parents, they're struggling to barely provide for their kids, they don't have the emotional/mental energy to keep up on their kid's algebra homework or whatever. It sucks. Are the teachers tearing themselves apart every night seeing how their students are being failed, or have they also fallen victim to the same mindset as the students, where this is just the way things are?

I don't know what the solution is. I doubt it's as simple as more funding. Might involve integration of sorts? I don't mean strictly racial, but, like, funding aside (btw property tax based school funding is a menace, but we all know that)... it's probably not great to have "rich schools" where most/all the students are well-off and are planning for college and have parents who go to PTA meetings and support their extracurriculars and "poor schools" where literally everyone is from below the poverty line with parents working 3 jobs to make ends meet if they have a job at all. Fuck, even if you get the kids to attend the same school they'll probably end up self-segregating along those lines but at least there would be more of a chance? I don't know. I might be off-base, this is not something I've researched thoroughly or at all, really. Concentrated poverty is devastating. Give poor people more money.

I don't know about American situation specifically but concerning the teachers/staff it's probably in general not a mindset, but a resources issue.
Faced with a tough decision, many decide to focus their extremely limited means to aid a small number of students.
The alternative is to spread your efforts, resulting in completely ineffectiveness to help anyone in a meaningful way.

It's hard for people who have not spent time in environments like this to imagine this reality. The teachers or the student's are not the issue, these systems are broken and it breaks people.
 

aiswyda

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Aug 11, 2018
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thats not how high schools work. You're not "sent to the next grade". You're only in the grade that the amount of credits you have qualifies you for. In this case, he was always classified as a freshman.
I know some other people already disagreed but I wanted to step in as well—that's def not a hard and fast rule. I had more than enough units to be a senior my junior year but I was still considered a junior and not allowed to take 'senior classes' (gov/econ and English 4 I think?) because I wasn't a senior. I had one friend that could but she got a super special exception to graduate early for family shit bc the alternative was her dropping out.

on the other hand, my brother didn't have enough units his first years to be on track as a sophomore—he was still a sophomore and just did a summer school class or two at some point to make up the difference.
 

Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is another way the school-to-prison pipeline happens. Sabotage any educational future for people to assure that unless they win the lottery, they're in precarity.
 

DemyxC

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I'm assuming this happened in a poor majority black school. I remember going to a well-off majority white middle school then to a not so well-off majority black/Hispanic high school(it was nowhere near as bad as the one in the article), but the shit was still very different. The funds aren't great, the teachers are jaded, the work ethic tends to be bad overall(which especially hurts the students that actually want to learn). The thing about schools is they tend be relative, so if enough aren't doing what they need to do, then the standards go down no matter what. You can't really fix this without addressing tons of systemic race/class issues that are build into the system. I wish there was a school route where they made sure you had good reading/writing and algebra skills(throw history, economics and taxes in too) and then send you off to trade school or some shit.
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
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Normally i would say the mom should be attentive

but considering she has three jobs and three kids and the school is so terrible that the kid is doing better than almost the class with an abysmal gpa and the school was promoting even while failing classes

this is entirely a failure of the school hell entire system failure

like christ I'm from Nigeria, this is third world country shit not something that should happen in a first world country
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm gonna wager that the GPA average is reason enough why this student skipped that much school, it was probably a horrible environment. Mother working 3 jobs doesn't even sound like she has time for her kids, it's probably miserable for her kids too, this absolutely seems more of a poverty issue than a parenting one, even though the mother could have been alot more proactive. I cannot imagine the exhaustion from having to work 3 jobs to survive AND take care of kids.

Hey look! A correct take.

Why does the mom have to work 3 jobs? Her life is destroyed right there, alongside that of her kids.

Do you know how insanely draining it is to work 3 jobs? And then society wants her to work 3 additional jobs as a mother of 3? Ok

Who among all of us can work 3 jobs and parent 3 kids...as a single parent? Plenty of privileged parents fuck up hard with one job and one kid.

You don't have time to get skilled or apply for better jobs if you have to work 3 jobs to pay rent and feed your children. It's a vicious cycle.

Failing to provide all children the tools necessary for them to exceed us is one of our worst moral failures. If I had one wish, it would be to give all children a level playing ground.
 
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John Doe

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Jan 24, 2018
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fucking hell this is why kids should have the choice to go to trade schools. what the hell is the point of wasting 4 or more years in highschool when its not gonna amount to shit? that kid starting over could have years of training as a electrician, plumber or other trades.

Yeah, I'm not sure why posts like this always crop up in discussions like this. Do you think plumbers or electricians just perform their labor and that's that?

School is more than Algebra, Advanced Trig and physics.
To work a trade, especially if you're self employed you're going to need to know English, Math, how to manage your business and the soft skills you learn in school. He will also need to know a bit of accounting to manage his books like any other business or enough to know if he's being ripped off by the person he hires.

If this kid has a 0.13 GPA he is clearly failing his bread and butter subjects like English and Math. A trade school shouldn't replace high school. If trade schools are anything like college, then his professors will given even less of a fuck than his high school teachers about whether he attends or not.


I'd recommend night school to see where he is in the basics and bring him and all the other kids to an acceptable standard.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The fact of the matter is that our Institutions are racist to their core, there is no equality, no equal footing or any of this bullshit that white or other privileged people like to imagine existing so that they can feel better about how much, much easier they got it in life than a huge segment of the population in this country. Anyone blaming the child or mother in this situation must have lived a very sheltered life, so please wake the fuck up already. You cannot put the blame on them when so much is going against them. I know so, so many kids in similar situations, and they're even in schools with decent funding on paper but who knows where the money actually goes. I do know that their schools get the newest teachers, ones who frequently hate being there and badly want out, largely because of how poorly public school teachers are treated in this country. But the whole system is rigged against these kids and their families. The starting line some people are imagining does not exist.
 
Dec 31, 2017
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How could the school possibly not contact the parents repeatedly for this? Then continue passing him? Have half the kids with a 0.13 GPA or lower. I realize it's not entirely on them when socioeconomic factors of poor neighborhoods play a massive role in this terrible cycle.

How did the mom not check a single report card and inquire about it? Were they sending report cards? If not, didn't she think that was weird. My parents were literally on top of every progress report I had. I feel for her though - working 3 jobs to maintain security for your family shouldn't be a thing.

The ball was dropped around this kid, hard. He has an academic years worth of absences...

It's just an overall terrible cycle perpetuated by a lack of proper socioeconomic support and equity. apathetic students, overworked/neglectful parents with little prospects, and jaded educators - rinse and repeat. I wonder how other schools around that area fare. Also as others have said, S4 of the wire touches on this topic. Just sad all around.
 
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Jebusman

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Oct 27, 2017
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This sounds like something that has likely been happening for a long time and only now is getting the public attention needed to potentially do something about it.

It definitely looks like a grift by the governing school board to fleece money out of the state while "pretending" to educate kids in a low income area, likely funneling that money to the schools they deem more important, and assuming no one will ever make enough of a stink about it to get caught.

There was even a newspaper article from 2006 that this was one of the schools falling below the requirements of the No Child Left Behind act and needed to hire a "turnaround specialist" to help figure out a gameplan to get these student grades up. Clearly that didn't work, likely because the school board had no intention of ever "fixing" what it didn't see as a problem.
 

John Doe

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How did the mom not check a single report card and inquire about it? Were they sending report cards? If not, didn't she think that was weird. My parents were literally on top of every progress report I had.

The American dream. Isn't she working like three jobs? It isn't that parents don't care about their kids, they just don't have the time and are far too stressed out so they leave that up to the schools.

You're also talking about a community that has had generations of family pass through that same school system and be failed in the exact same way. At some point after watching your parents fail, your siblings fail and going through the same BS yourself, you may subconsciously just give up. People also can't imagine the stress that she must be under trying to raise kids in that environment just trying to survive, literally. Their biggest problem isn't that they can't go to Spain for a summer vacation or which brand of car they should buy Aaron for their sweet 16 but literally trying to avoid starvation and or violence on a daily basis. In a system designed to keep them that way.

Anyone who tries to argue against Welfare or community development but then reads something like this and wrings their hands wondering how could this be can do one. Help these communities so that survival isn't their biggest worry and maybe, just maybe more parents can take a more active role in their kids lives

People also underestimate the handicaps a lot of kids have. Just having a quiet, place to study and parents who have the luxury of time to help them with their schoolwork makes a world of difference.
 

Aztechnology

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is another way the school-to-prison pipeline happens. Sabotage any educational future for people to assure that unless they win the lottery, they're in precarity.
This is just such a garbage situation all around. What can you do. It's a failure of the child, the parent, livable wages, the school probably most of all. But the teachers I'm sure are basically just hanging on by a thread too. This is exactly why the performance delta for educational outcomes and post educational/economic outcomes are so tied to wealth. The entire system is broken, and the incentive alignment won't allow it to be fixed.
 

smurfx

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Yeah, I'm not sure why posts like this always crop up in discussions like this. Do you think plumbers or electricians just perform their labor and that's that?

School is more than Algebra, Advanced Trig and physics.
To work a trade, especially if you're self employed you're going to need to know English, Math, how to manage your business and the soft skills you learn in school. He will also need to know a bit of accounting to manage his books like any other business or enough to know if he's being ripped off by the person he hires.

If this kid has a 0.13 GPA he is clearly failing his bread and butter subjects like English and Math. A trade school shouldn't replace high school. If trade schools are anything like college, then his professors will given even less of a fuck than his high school teachers about whether he attends or not.


I'd recommend night school to see where he is in the basics and bring him and all the other kids to an acceptable standard.
I know plenty of people in the trades that didn't finish highschool and are doing well for themselves. I'm talking out of experience.
 

PanickyFool

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I'm assuming this happened in a poor majority black school. I remember going to a well-off majority white middle school then to a not so well-off majority black/Hispanic high school(it was nowhere near as bad as the one in the article), but the shit was still very different. The funds aren't great, the teachers are jaded, the work ethic tends to be bad overall(which especially hurts the students that actually want to learn). The thing about schools is they tend be relative, so if enough aren't doing what they need to do, then the standards go down no matter what. You can't really fix this without addressing tons of systemic race/class issues that are build into the system. I wish there was a school route where they made sure you had good reading/writing and algebra skills(throw history, economics and taxes in too) and then send you off to trade school or some shit.

The most immediate solution for the children is to shut down the school and bus the children to suburban school districts.

Additional money is not going to that district, to those civil servants is not going to fix this.

it is also a great way of making Obama voters into Trump supporter as they panic without reason.
 

Ducarmel

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I wish there was a school route where they made sure you had good reading/writing and algebra skills(throw history, economics and taxes in too) and then send you off to trade school or some shit.
In NYC there are trade high school, you still have to deal with city/state/fed requirements to graduate, however instead of pushing you to college they focuse on the many trades schools and unions you can apply for. However it is not a guarantee these kids will get in the union or succeed in a for profit trade school

Yeah, I'm not sure why posts like this always crop up in discussions like this. Do you think plumbers or electricians just perform their labor and that's that?

I am in agreement I worked with as a para with at risk high school kids and with my interaction with them I don't see how pushing this kid to a trade school is the solution. I left a caeer in school and joined a trade union, my union trade school is barely college level strict and they do what they can to make sure apprentices pass. They would take this kid in if he turns it around and get his ged and has the basic high school english and math skills, but I cant imagine a for profit trade school would tolerate someone without a bare minimum HS education and strict work ethic.

I know plenty of people in the trades that didn't finish highschool and are doing well for themselves. I'm talking out of experience.
Of course I know a few guys like that. But did they go to trade school or they just worked in a shop as a laborer/entry level and worked their way up?
 

John Doe

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I know plenty of people in the trades that didn't finish highschool and are doing well for themselves. I'm talking out of experience.

I'm sorry but this post is the equivalent of "My family grew up poor and I made something of myself so what's your excuse?" I'm not concerned with whether or not someone finishes High school but the amount of knowledge they possess. That is what determines success.

Did any of them basically miss a year's worth of high school and have a 0.13 GPA?

For me this kid's potential success at a trade school depends on whether his GPA is that low simply because he missed all of the tests but he understands the work and concepts or does he not understand the work.

This will sound stupid but there are people out there who make it through high school but have very poor literacy and math skills because they are just pushed forward to the next grade regardless of whether they understand the material. You can't just say well I know people who didn't finish high school who are doing well. That tells me nothing about whether this kid will do well without some form of remedial schooling
 

EloquentM

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apparently, fox also covered this story and had some wonderful things to say about the mother.
 

Addie

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I'm assuming this happened in a poor majority black school. I remember going to a well-off majority white middle school then to a not so well-off majority black/Hispanic high school(it was nowhere near as bad as the one in the article), but the shit was still very different. The funds aren't great, the teachers are jaded, the work ethic tends to be bad overall(which especially hurts the students that actually want to learn). The thing about schools is they tend be relative, so if enough aren't doing what they need to do, then the standards go down no matter what. You can't really fix this without addressing tons of systemic race/class issues that are build into the system. I wish there was a school route where they made sure you had good reading/writing and algebra skills(throw history, economics and taxes in too) and then send you off to trade school or some shit.
Completely agree. Also, to be specific, it's not even "just" majority black -- it's 98% black, based on the stats. Every single student, including the 1 Asian kid and the 7 white kids, were eligible for the free lunch program.

That shouldn't be a surprising fact given that it's a West Baltimore high school and that's what the demographics are. But this is what makes me incredulous when some takes here talk about, "Well, why didn't the school call the mother and let her know?"

This is straight up reinforcing the school to prison pipeline, with pipeline to poverty being the most likely "best case" scenario.
 

mutantmagnet

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah, so, it's the same where I teach but you still need x amount of credits to qualify for the next grade. So, freshmen need at least 6 credits (6 passed classes out of 8 in a school year) to be classified as a sophomore.

When it comes to sports, though, you are classified by amount of years at the high school level. So that, for example, the kid in OP is 17 and a qualified freshman, but wouldn't have another year of high school sports eligibility.
I was wondering about that because that should have been a red flag but the article clarifies the school kept on promoting him to more advanced classes.

She has three children and works three jobs. She thought her oldest son was doing well because even though he failed most of his classes, he was being promoted. His transcripts show he failed Spanish I and Algebra I but was promoted to Spanish II and Algebra II. He also failed English II but was passed on to English III.

All these families at this school got scammed.
 

SilentMike03

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is absolutely horrifying. Reading through some of these replies made me realize how out of touch I am on how school systems function these days.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Some of the replies in here are tone deaf and showing an immense amount of privileged upbringing.

My student teaching year was spent in a low income NJ abbot district (districts too poor to survive on taxes that they get additional funding from the state). It was an eye opening experience and completely shifted my perspective on kids growing up in those type environments. It was not close to as bad as this but it was still pretty tough.

This story is pretty much highlighting the complete and total systemic failure for the mother, kid and the education system.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Why has the internet decided that only one person can be responsible for any bad thing?

School can be a failed school while the mother is still a failed mother.

NO excuse for missing as much school as he did. Every school I am aware of/or worked at has pre-scheduled Parent Teacher Conferences multiple times a year, which she obviously did not attend. She also went 4 years without checking on his grades. Hell, at the schools I have worked at you get an automated phone call whenever your student is marked absent. I have never in my career had a successful student with absentee parents. They might scrape by yes. Thrive? Never.

Schools cannot parent your child for you.

She worked 3 god damn jobs to try and keep their shelter and kids fed.
 

Epcott

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Oct 25, 2017
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Amazing to see nothing much has changed with the school system since the 90's.

Also it's pretty sad, you'd think the guidance councilor would notify the parents... but I wonder if that would help: Many city natives are in a perpetual cycle of being churned out of low effort schools with misplaced funds, are barely able to compete professionally and are stuck near the poverty line afterwards only to raise children of their own... who go on to attend the same schools. I remember even a later season of The Wire touched on it. I dealt with it first hand when I attended Walbrook, given outdated McGrawhill books from the 70's as learning material. Sheesh.

I would have thought it changed by now.
 

Cats

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I'm extremely confused.

Absent 272 days? Why is there no state repercussions for truancy, I thought a parent would be put in jail for that (I'm not blaming her)? Where was the child during that time period? I'm not blaming anyone at all. I'm just confused at to what is even happening in this story.
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm extremely confused.

Absent 272 days? Why is there no state repercussions for truancy, I thought a parent would be put in jail for that (I'm not blaming her)? Where was the child during that time period? I'm not blaming anyone at all. I'm just confused at to what is even happening in this story.
it said late or absence so it's not all absent tbf

still though if the mother not lying the school should have inform her
 

Ryuelli

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yep.

And here's the National Center for Education Statistics report for this particular school.

Of the 419 students enrolled at Augusta Fells, all 419 were eligible for free lunches. Enrollment is determined by choice lottery. The student-teacher ratio was only 16.76. They had 25 teachers on staff.

All of this suggests to me that the idea of the school was to give a small number of students a chance -- if you have misgivings with a lottery, I agree with you -- and put them in an environment that's arguably well-funded and didn't have an obscene 40 student-1 teacher ratio.

What the fuck happened?

This enrages me.

17 kids is about half the size of classes at my elementary school (we're hovering right around 30 kids per teacher) and as far as I'm aware, that would be considered a small class in a huge chunk of the country. That's small enough for intervention (if the school was trying) to have at least been attempted, be it small groups or pull outs (at the same time though, if basically the entire school was failing (which it sounds was the case), I'm not sure where I'd even start with that in terms of intervention. What the hell was admin doing? They clearly didn't have any plan to actually get these kids to try to grow.

With literally every kid being eligible for free lunch, I'm assuming this school is Title 1. As someone who teaches at a Title 1 school (I think we're sitting at around 83% this year for kids who are eligible for free/reduced breakfast and lunches), what the hell was the STATE doing? Title 1's require a lot of documentation on what exactly that extra money is going towards (at least mine does, but maybe that's a district-specific thing? My principal is all about that paper trail).

As someone who teaches in a red state, it's shocking that we're seemingly more involved than a blue state. This sounds like a complete lack of accountability from every possible angle. Is this district still living in the stone age? Mine will automatically send an email (and a phone call) to parents when their students are marked absent and I think parents can set our online grade system to automatically notify them if their student is failing. What middle schools feed into this school? What elementary schools feed into the middle school? What are they looking like? Did this apathy start at the high school or was it a thing long before that? How does this high school compare to others in the district?

Absent 272 days? Why is there no state repercussions for truancy, I thought a parent would be put in jail for that (I'm not blaming her)? Where was the child during that time period? I'm not blaming anyone at all. I'm just confused at to what is even happening in this story.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if other states are similar to Texas in that they pretty much eliminated truancy laws.

www.texastribune.org

New Truancy Law Poised to Put More Pressure on Schools, Parents

When the state's new truancy law takes effect Sept. 1, students will no longer potentially face criminal sanctions for skipping school. But there are new directives for public schools and the courts. This story is part of our 31 Days, 31 Ways series.
 
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Dever

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Dec 25, 2019
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If he's near average, that means like half of the students there are effectively not attending school. Like even if they were physically present instead of skipping, with grades that low you might as well have not gone at all. Doesn't bode well for that area, I guess.
 

ty_hot

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I wonder how those missed classes are spread around those 3+ years. If he was always passing grades even though he didn't learn, I cant even imagine how can someone that didn't learn WhateverSubject1 be excited and focused to start WhateverSubject3. It is possible he started skipping more classes because he couldn't learn shit and was uninterested.

Surely there are report cards at least a few times per year. It certainly sounds like the school should have/could have done more, but I don't see how a parent can claim to be utterly oblivious about how their child is doing over an almost 4 year span in school. If you care you can know.

Yup, clearly there is a huge problem with the school if this student is "better" than half the students, but being surprised by the kid's results make them look bad.

The only way I can see the parents being surprised while not being 100% passive during all those years is if the teenager was falsifying school results all that time and showing them. The bare minimum a parent has to do (in my view) is want to see the grades once a year/semester/quarter (no idea how often grades are awarded there).

That's a particular problem with this family though, the heartbreaking part is knowing half of the students in that school are like that.
 
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Normally i would say the mom should be attentive

but considering she has three jobs and three kids and the school is so terrible that the kid is doing better than almost the class with an abysmal gpa and the school was promoting even while failing classes

this is entirely a failure of the school hell entire system failure

like christ I'm from Nigeria, this is third world country shit not something that should happen in a first world country


Looking back at my dad's threats to send me home to boarding school I honestly wish he did, our education system in Nigeria is galaxies better than America's by far.
 

Nepenthe

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I'm confused. Did the school decided to send all their students to redo their course or somehow only one student get caught in the cross fire? I imagine all their graduates diploma should be revoked
We don't know the details of other students' lives. But it is flagrantly obvious there are massively systemic issues of corruption, apathy, and lack of resources present here that aren't appropriately addressed with individualistic holistic measures like blaming the mother.
 

Jeffram

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Oct 29, 2017
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School board and teachers need to be fired. How are these kids supposed to show up to school and learn from people that don't give to shits about them or their education?
 

Nida

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When I moved states the first year of High School my anxiety hit me hard. I would be dropped off at the school by my dad and then walk home. Most days I was supposed to walk to school but I just stayed home. Ended up throwing away any letters the school sent. When I did go I was peppered with questions about what was wrong with me which just made things worse. I just wanted to stay home and play Final Fantasy XI alone in my room.

It ended with me being arrested for truancy. But it was a relatively expensive area to live in, and well funded. It sounds like this school, and probably many more in Baltimore and other large cities need systematic changes. The system needs to be demolished and rebuilt completely.

I ended up dropping out, getting my GED, and going to Community College and then a University. The school counselor didn't do anything for me except threaten me and ask me why I didn't want to go to school. This was in 2005. I really hope counselors have improved in the 16 years since. Threats and putting a 15-year-old kid in the back of a police car and taking him to the precinct did absolutely nothing to help.
 
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Bowl0l

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We don't know the details of other students' lives. But it is flagrantly obvious there are massively systemic issues of corruption, apathy, and lack of resources present here that aren't appropriately addressed with individualistic holistic measures like blaming the mother.
I'm looking forward to future updates. I don't believe it's as simple as corruption.
 

razzarok

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A 0.13 GPA doesn't come from nowhere. These kids have probably been passed along since sometime in elementary school. Even if you bussed them to a good school starting tomorrow just getting them caught up to where they should be at seems like a humongous challenge.
 

Introvert

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This was sorta me in high school (NYC, mid-1990s) after the anxiety I developed at 11 turned into depression during my sophomore year. I probably missed like 100+ school days my second year playing hooky because I just didn't want to be around anyone. I spent most of those days at home playing video games, fooling around on the Internet, riding the subway, walking around Mahattan window shopping, playing chess in the park or sometimes just sitting there people watching or laying on the grass, hanging out at the library, playing video games at Toys R' Us, etc. Because I started growing facial hair in 7th grade and could grow a full beard by the time of my freshman year, I just styled my beard into a goatee + stache and few people ever questioned my age.

My mother worked 6AM to 6PM, so she would be gone before I woke up. Her and my father were still married but separated. He would come by the house a few times a week, either to pick up his mail, drop some money off for bills, or fix something around the house. He had his own room and the basement where he'd hoard junk and sleep sometimes before working the night shift. We lived in a massive brownstone, so on the oft chance my father slept there, I would just hang out and keep quiet in one of my sisters' old rooms; one got married and moved out, the other was at law school.

I set up an answering machine to pretend to be a pizzeria to deal with any calls from the school during the day. They started sending social workers to my house at some point, so to deal with them, I disabled the ground floor doorbell, then re-enabled it later on in the afternoon. Since it was a four story brownstone and my father spent most of his time on the top floor in his room, he wouldn't hear them even if they knocked. I collected any notices they left and the mail didn't come until around 4PM, after my father left for work, but before my mom came home, so I would just confiscate any mail from the school inquiring about absences.

When it came report card time, I would just forge one and give it to my mother to sign. I was already really handy with computers by then since I'd been messing around with them from the age of 8. Eventually my became suspicious and wanted to go to parent teacher night. Even though I had been playing hooky up to that point, I would still pop into school and go to certain classes I found easy (Social Studies, Computer Lit., English Composition, Physical Ed., Art, etc.) and was still maintaining an A+ average. I just went to the school with her and directed her to those classes, my teachers had good things to say about me, so she left satisfied.

Eventually, because of a bunch of close calls with my sister coming home from school for vacation, a nosy older brother, and all the social workers showing up at the door, it became too stressful for me to handle. I convinced my parents to let me transfer to an unconventional night high school in the city. I kept my nose clean for 3 months, then came home extra late one night on purpose, and when my mother asked me why I was so late, I just started bawling (it was easy, given how shitty I'd been feeling with depression and anxiety) and told her I got mugged.

Later on I told my parents I told my parents I was to scared to go back to school and wanted to get my G.E.D. There was no reluctance on their part because I had been already mugged before and we lived in Bedstuy (super dangerous at the time). I went to this youth center in Manhattan, either setup or donated to, by the Wayans Brothers to get my equivalency diploma. I had it within two weeks because they felt I was ready to take the exam immediately based on my assessment scores.

Afterwards, I enrolled at a community college and completed an associates degree and then later transferred to a four year school. I didn't complete my four year degree however because I got the chance to work for the postal service and the money/benefits were great so I decided to jump ship. That's where I've been since.

I think things sorta worked out for me, but I'd like to go back to school at some point in the future for a liberal arts degree.
 

LaoJim

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Mar 29, 2020
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This was sorta me in high school (NYC, mid-1990s)...I spent most of those days at home playing video games, fooling around on the Internet, riding the subway, walking around Mahattan window shopping, playing chess in the park or sometimes just sitting there people watching or laying on the grass, hanging out at the library, playing video games at Toys R' Us, etc. Because I started growing facial hair in 7th grade and could grow a full beard by the time of my freshman year, I just styled my beard into a goatee + stache and few people ever questioned my age...
I set up an answering machine to pretend to be a pizzeria to deal with any calls from the school during the day. They started sending social workers to my house at some point, so to deal with them, I disabled the ground floor doorbell, then re-enabled it later on in the afternoon...When it came report card time, I would just forge one and give it to my mother to sign. I was already really handy with computers by then since I'd been messing around with them from the age of 8... I just went to the school with her and directed her to those classes, my teachers had good things to say about me, so she left satisfied...Eventually, because of a bunch of close calls with my sister coming home from school for vacation, a nosy older brother, and all the social workers showing up at the door, it became too stressful for me to handle. I convinced my parents to let me transfer to an unconventional night high school in the city. I kept my nose clean for 3 months, then came home extra late one night on purpose, and when my mother asked me why I was so late, I just started bawling (it was easy, given how shitty I'd been feeling with depression and anxiety) and told her I got mugged...
This in simulanously very tragic, but also the plot for Feris Buellers Day Off 2.

Glad it didn't sink you.
 

tmarg

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Oct 25, 2017
1,691
Kalamazoo
Reading the article, it sounds like some attempts at communication were made. I can understand how she might not have been adequately responsive to those attempts, seeing as she was working three jobs while raising kids, but I can also understand how a school that has hundreds of students doing as badly as him might end up focusing their efforts elsewhere if they didn't feel like contacting her was an effective strategy.
 

Zarshack

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May 15, 2018
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Australia
The real story seems to be that over half the students failed. That seems rather high? Is that really the normal standard set of expectations in the US high school system? Surely the schools are required to maintain some level of student success as a matter of obligation???
 

tmarg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kalamazoo
The real story seems to be that over half the students failed. That seems rather high? Is that really the normal standard set of expectations in the US high school system? Surely the schools are required to maintain some level of student success as a matter of obligation???
The vast majority of US schools are better than this one. The students there are dealing with extreme poverty, troubled home lives, and systemic racism. Actually fixing the schools would require fixing those issues too.
 

Zarshack

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May 15, 2018
541
Australia
The vast majority of US schools are better than this one. The students there are dealing with extreme poverty, troubled home lives, and systemic racism. Actually fixing the schools would require fixing those issues too.
That's really sad and disappointing to hear. It also seems that the school is setting the kids up to fail if they just move kids up to the next level of the subjects that they failed the previous year. I don't understand how a reasonable person in administration can see that kids are failing a topic, and decide that they can just move into the next level which is more difficult and expect them not to just fail even worse than the first time. I hope that this community is able to get the support it needs to improve the quality of life for the students and the families in general.
 

Lost Lemurian

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Nov 30, 2019
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While I don't want to treat The Wire like a documentary, season 4 does dive pretty deep into the troubles of the Baltimore school system.

You're dealing with such massive levels of both poverty and systemic racism that there's no surprise that lots kids fall through the cracks. And you can't really point the finger at any individual here (the kid, the mom, the teachers) without recognizing that the entire situation is fucked and there were precious few options for any of them.
 

JigglesBunny

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Oct 27, 2017
31,094
Chicago
Every single person working at that school needs to go, frankly. What people often consider a "bad" or "lazy" student (a bit of a problematic label anyway) typically has a 1.6 GPA or something, not 0.13 or lower. That's 100% the institution failing their students at every single level.

I feel so damn bad for those poor kids.
 

OnionPowder

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why has the internet decided that only one person can be responsible for any bad thing?

School can be a failed school while the mother is still a failed mother.

NO excuse for missing as much school as he did. Every school I am aware of/or worked at has pre-scheduled Parent Teacher Conferences multiple times a year, which she obviously did not attend. She also went 4 years without checking on his grades. Hell, at the schools I have worked at you get an automated phone call whenever your student is marked absent. I have never in my career had a successful student with absentee parents. They might scrape by yes. Thrive? Never.

Schools cannot parent your child for you.

Big fucking brave post here. That mom is a failure? For keeping 3 jobs to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table?

Who the fuck are you?
 

Zok310

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Oct 25, 2017
4,627
Wow, poor kid, that school fucked him.

I would just drop out and go get my GED. He must certainly know how to read write and count, do basic math. Life won't be easy but I have seen people survive have families with less education than that.