I do quite like the dynamic ambient music, especially the guitar during combat. Also seemed like some brass instruments kicked in when a nat 20 was rolled. Or maybe that was a coincidence.
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Baldur's Gate 3 - Worldwide reveal stream - VOD available
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Worth the 10€ they want on gog? Never played the first one
Uh...are you forgetting entirely the two Pillars of Eternity games and Pathfinder Kingmaker? RTwP made a huge comeback in recent years.
Yes, the developers of two highly-acclaimed turn-based RPGs making a BG3 made it pretty likely they'd go turn-based (and that's what happened), but it's hardly true that RTwP is "dead".
The idea that a sequel having explicit narrative/gameplay connection to a preceding game is somehow antiquated/silly sure is a hot take.
I really like it, but it's low level D&D stuff so some find it boring. But if you've got the cash and time to spare, I'd say go for it
It is much more open than BG1 - lots of areas to wander around in and poke through stuff just to see what is there. It feels very different from 2, but I think it is excellent. It is a pretty good translation of what a campaign of dnd feels like.
I've been playing it on my switch the past week. Probably the first time I've played without mods in 15+ years, but it's still so great. I'm playing a dwarf for the first time!
I.. What's more open than BG1? I thought I was asking about BG1
Rushing through trash mobs is not why RTwP is good, a good game shouldn't have bits you want to rush anyway.
The main advantage of RTwP is being able to issue orders to your whole party simultaneously, which allows for more co-ordinated party wide strategies. Quoting my earlier post with more detail:
There were many times playing D:OS2 where I thought "if this was RTwP my party could do this cool strategy, but the turn order prevents it!". I have never played a RTwP game and thought "I could do this differently if it were turn based". TB saves you pressing a pause button I suppose.
I never went back for DLC after disappointing main entry.
I completed main game of PoE 2 (main story, all companion quests and all side stuff that wasn't broken in release window) and put 54 hours total into the game. I didn't, but kinda did regret going in at full price. Told friend to wait for deep sale.
I just didn't feel writing was up to bar what one would expect from Obsidian (especially with all the hype they get) and a lot of content felt very unfinished. All companion quests just ran into brick wall and ended abruptly just as they started to get interesting. Hell, main story itself felt like it was missing chunks of stuff.
So... why I would have dished out more cash for DLC when I was letdown by main course when looking at full run in hindsight?
I would expect a lot of it to be placeholder as they move on to finalizing the game in EA, which would involve adding the unique flair to the UI that separates it from DOS2.
God, I can't wait for EA. Everything about this game feels like a dream come true.
I think he meant it would not be financially sound to base your game as a direct sequel to a game that came out 20+ years ago. You limit your sell base when you do that. Sure they can have throwbacks to the other games, but making it a direct sequel is a sure fire way to kill your sales.
Ya sorry, more open than BG2. Bg2's areas are very - you show up, here's the problem that's a legit quest. Deal with it then move on to the next.
BG1 has a lot of areas that are just wilderness/mountains, with little things sprinkled around the maps. A lot of the maps don't even have names!
Bearded dwarf lady is always a wise choice! You have my thanks for continuing the legacy. If you were playing Male, then you are halfway there, still on a good path.
RTwP is dead. PoE2, despite being amazing, sold horribly and I doubt PoE3 will use RTwP if we even ever get it. Kingmaker had a pretty bad implementation of RTwP IMO, and with it getting a turn based mode I think at this point RTwP will only be kept as an option for "legacy" players. The fact both big RTwP franchises had to include a turn based mode eventually speaks volumes. It's pretty much a done deal. Maybe the system will get a resurgence some years down the road, but for now the dream is dead.
I'm fine with it, I've made my peace with it going away. But it's quite a bummer to see so many people just beating the dead body of RTwP in a thread about a sequel to the biggest RTwP game.
Uh... It is though? I've had boss encounters in tabletop that turned into dance-offs or a mini-villain that turned into our spy thanks to a successful scene where we broke down his ideology (despite the GM not planning any of these!). The breath of options in tabletop is literally limitless, or at least, limited by how good the GM is. In a video game, your options are limited to a set of outcomes designed for that encounter, until we have full AI GMs, it's not possible.
I don't know how you like to play your RPGs, but from my experience - We never rely on "types of actions" to figure out what I'm doing. I first describe what I do, and then the GM mulls over what rules should apply to the situation and tells you what to roll. So all actions in RPGs are somewhat invented, that's why tabletop is so fun - I can jump on the chandelier and cut it down on the enemies as I jump down! When I said the GM can "balance the game" in real time I meant that in that case the GM doesn't have to use whatever the rules say damage from falling is - they can decide what is an appropriate damage roll when I hit the ground if I fail my jump check for example, they can also decide to not give me damage but say I sprained my ankle and can't move as fast etc.
All that said, the fact I can imagine the chandelier scene happening in BG3, absolutely excites me.
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I'm just coming off POE2, a solo POTD run which I found to be an amazingly fun and thought provoking experience. To me RTWP is more engaging than TB. Now I watched the video and they are doing a unique TB mode which I think is cool. To me, RTWP makes me think on my toes, TB kind of slows the game down and drags combat. I'm buying the game regardless. Day one, early access, etc. it's Larian. It's WoTC. It's BG. There's no way in hell they were going to please all BG fans and I see both sides of the argument but this is what we got. Now what I do hope is that they are open to feed back and can implement some requested changes / tweaks.
I may have missed it, but did Swen mention how individual initiative bonuses work when initiative is rolled? Is it just the entire party's initiative added to the roll vs the sum of the enemies initiative?
Name me 5 games that are made 15-20+ years later which are Good and follow the plot of the last entry of the serie
What is there to say? You were dismissive of the concept of people expecting sequels being similar to preceding games and then tried to change the argument.
Wushu Studios, team Shinobi works for, is helping out Larian
Congrats shinobi602 xD
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The BG story concluded definitively 19 years ago. What would you continue?
It seems you just want a re-release of BG2.
I don't think he mentioned it specifically at all but people observed how turns were being assigned. Maybe the system is not fully implemented yet. I could be wrong though...
I've mentioned that quite a few times already.
I've seen this in several posts in this topic with folks basically trying to segregate Baldur's Gate and D&D into two seperate things because of RTwP mechanics and not the underlying lore of the FR setting as a whole.
To be fair, many of the specific story/lore bits of the original games are unlikely to be featured very heavily if at all in BG3. The original games weren't just "Forgotten Realms". They were Bhaal and Minsc and Irenicus etc. People get attached to characters and specific events/scenarios more than overall settings. The new game looks to be pretty far removed from any of that.
However, the most unforgivable thing would be if there is no one asking for "a swig of some strong dwarven ale" in every inn/tavern in the game. That is a god damn necessity or this aint no baldur gate.
Thanks mate! Really an honor to play a role on something like this.Congrats shinobi602 xD
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“We're so delighted to share we've been working alongside the incredibly talented @larianstudios on @baldursgate3! A chance to work on an iconic franchise like Baldur's Gate is a rare dream & we're honored to support such a visionary team. https://t.co/DKsFiNK7mu #BaldursGate3”
Well, BG and D&D are two different things - The gameplay in BG is a specific adaptation of D&D. People are allowed to like the specific adaptation used in BG2 and to expect that the next game in the same franchise will use something similar, no?
As for lore - Baldur's Gate was a specific story in the world of Forgotten Realms. If I buy a Drizzt book, and it has nothing to do with Drizzt or his companions, I'd say it's a bit weird they labeled it a Drizzt story and not just a Forgotten Realms story. BG3 seems to be a D&D FR game that has very little to do with the original BGs in terms of gameplay, story or even tone (the dialogues and companions are written very differently.)
All of that is not bad, BG3 seems to be like a very good game on it's own - I just find it very cynical that the name Baldur's Gate was used just for brand recognition and nothing else. I think people would be way less mad if the game was called D&D: Whatever.
Baldur's Gate: Subtitle, would be fine.
Baldur's Gate: THREE Is the mother fucking sequel to the GOAT and should play like the GOAT.
I can understand being upset at the gameplay change (though I disagree, as I think that this is just a different and potentially more accurate method of achieving the same thing the OG game tried to achieve).
But the Bhaalspawn campaign was over. It was definitively wrapped up in Throne of Bhaal. I don't think any potential Baldur's Gate III was going to follow up on that directly.
I'm not sure what the etiquette is when it comes to questions like this, but could you perchance spill some beans about the nature of your involvement?Thanks mate! Really an honor to play a role on something like this.
What do you do?
I mean there are 9th level spells and even Time Gates exist in FR's setting which allow time travel. It's not impossible for Minsc and Boo to fall into one.
The game takes place 100 years after the events of BG2, so even if there were returning cast a lot of the majority would be either dead or much older (since Elven Races can live upwards to 750 years)
Descent into Avernus is also something to consider as well because BGIII apparently picks up where that campaign ends.
The game takes place 100 years after the events of BG2, so even if there were returning cast a lot of the majority would be either dead or much older (since Elven Races can live upwards to 750 years)
Descent into Avernus is also something to consider as well because BGIII apparently picks up where that campaign ends.
A crime since PoE2 is so bloody good....their marketing was the problem though: it's a true pirate RPG, the ads write themselves surely.
I agree. That's why I felt like the onus of justifying this game being called Baldur's Gate was on Larian. If you're not going to follow up on the story or the gameplay, that means you're using the name just for the name, and I think that's a little cynical. This game should have been it's own franchise, it's a new take on D&D video games that has nothing to do with BG's take on D&D.
I don't blame Larian as much as I blame the attitudes in the industry that make it preferable to take the name of a beloved older series for no reason than to just do something new and start a new franchise.
Another way to look at it is: Why is this game called Baldur's Gate 3?
The answer is: because it grabs a load of attention. e.g. this thread is top in trending threads.
The answer is: because it grabs a load of attention. e.g. this thread is top in trending threads.
Minsc is actually kickin around modern Forgotten Realms afaik. He and Boo were turned into a statue for 100 years or so and then got de-petrified.
No problem asking! All I can say is we're all providing a support capacity role. Outside of that, that's up to the Larian team to share :)
Well the timeline matches up. Minsc is just an over the top and awesomely crazy guy, I just want to see what Larian would do with his dialog, now the better question is if they could somehow get Jim Cummings to reprise the VA if such a thing happened. If I had to pick a secondary VA if Jim wasn't available, I guess John DiMaggio could possibly pull off a decent Minsc.
No pressure, but of all games I can currently think of, this is what I'm most hyped for, and you're now the person I picture when I think about "Who made this".
Seriously though, congratulations on being involved in this.
I don't see why Cummings wouldn't come back if Minsc actually had a role in the game. He still does video game voice work.
I don't know if he did new voice work for Minsc in Siege of Dragonspear, but I think he may have?
I'd have loved a "true pirate RPG", but unfortunately I found PoE2 severely lacking.
Very likely yeah, with their overall D&D push and Descent into Avernus being a big thing recently.
I love Deadfire warts and all, but don't really think of it as a "pirate game". I mean, you can be a pirate, but the naval/ship stuff isn't really the focus of the game (it's rightly considered one of its weakest points.) I think of it it more in terms of its caribbean/polynesian setting and the various colonialism themes.
But isn't Baldur's Gate a place? It's set in Baldur's Gate like the previous game and, presumably, the D&D campaigns. I think that's the link. :)