I will forgive the sir for adding another bullet point on the list of reasons to check out Planescape: Torment.
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Baldur's Gate 3 - Leaked screenshots - SPOILERS ahead
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Sure, WITH very limited character options.
If you are looking for solidarity here you won't find it with me.
While I'm glad their recent games have been fully voiced, in general, I don't give a damn about having a voiced player character as well.
It's a bit more of an abstract system, sure, but one I have absolutely no issue compromising with.
Sadly. 5E ruleset seems a lot faster than DOS though. As you only get One Action per turn, with movement and a bonus action. Unlike DOS where you could have many actions which could really drag things out.
Yeah, I really like that style, if there are more please link.
Depends on the RPG you're thinking. The Witcher 3 for example have less options than traditional CRPG (but not because it's has a voiced character). Mass Effect 1 and 2 have as much freedom as those games. Mass Effect 3 doesn't, but again, not because of voiced protagonist.
We will find out for sure in a few hours. For now it's all speculation. I am also not a fan of the "optional" RTwP. Like someone already said earlier: You have to balance the game in a certain way because the sytems are so different. It would be twice the work to balance it properly for RTwP and TB. But lets just wait for the official reveal.
ME1 and 2 don't even come close to the ''freedom'' of games like Fallout New Vegas or Disco Elysium, let alone CRPGs.
This looks good overall, but the dialog options being in past tense is the sort of goofy affectation that has made me dislike previous Larian games, so I guess we'll see.
Original Sin 1 and 2 never made that distinction, why would BG3?
Edit: To jump in on the other discussion... I'm replaying BG right now, and there isn't a ton of actual roleplaying in that game other than making your character. Things have progressed a lot since then. Pillars has some of my favorite dialogue trees outside of Planescape.
Are you real??
Yes
No
Yes[Lie]
No[Lie]
is my jam
My brother and I are around 40 hours into Original Sin 2 and fucking loving it. Never played a BG, but this is looking awesome to me.
I would be shocked if the protagonist is voiced - it vastly multiplies the voice acting necessary to ship the game, especially since the protagonist can be multiple races (I don't think you can record VA lines that would work for both an elf and a dwarf, say). It works in Mass Effect because you only need two versions of each line, and because the ME dialogue wheel usually has fewer options than this sort of game.
I agree that it's disorienting to have everything else in the game fully voiced and your protagonist mostly mute, and it also undermines your connection to your character's emotional state, but I don't think the alternative is realistic, sadly.
I hope I'm wrong, but it might be there just to indicate that you're in combat and can't move freely.
It's going to be a 90 minute panel btw. If you've ever seen a Swen presentation before, expect him to go on for quite a while about all the systems and possibilities in the game. You'll get quite a lot of gameplay is my guess.
I've never played one of these games before, but I've had this on my radar since a random Youtube ad a couple weeks ago before an episode of Critical Role. Although I do remember a friend being super into it when were kids. How do the older games hold up? Is it worth picking up the enhanced version of 1 & 2 on the PS4 for a brand new player who is unfamiliar with the originals?
I'm not strictly a fan of this approach, but in all honesty I also don't give a shit about it.
I think for all intents and purposes it's practically inconsequential.
In practical terms the difference between a non-voiced "Yes, I agree" and a non-voiced *I told him I agreed* is entirely flavor. It doesn't change a thing.
I mean, I played and loved Ultima VII for years and the dialogue options there are a brief list of topics: "Name", "Job", "Thing you just mentioned" etc.
1 is kinda rough around the edges and, considering it's low-level D&D for large parts of it, might not be THAT fun. Still loved it once it picks up, it really feels like a pen-and-paper RPG adventure converted to a videogame, even if the ruleset isn't 100% like the (then) 2° Edition of D&D.
BG2, however? It's fucking great. Though, be warned, if you have NO idea how to play D&D and even less the 2° Edition, then it's gonna be a bit of an uphill climb to learn the mechanics. Nothing a guide can't fix, however, and you're gonna get hours of fun after that. Absolutely recommended!
I got into the Baldur's Gate games a few years ago, around the time the first Pillars got released. I really enjoy them, but I personally don't think the combat holds up particularly well. It tries to translate 2E D&D rules to a real time RTS-like system and I don't think it works well. Some people swear by it though! Hell, the Icewind Dale sister series is basically just a big combat gauntlet for people who are really into it.
On the other hand, the rest of it is still great. The exploration, characters, environments are all still fantastic. I have it on the Switch as well and I think the console controls work surprisingly well!
If you can handle rough combat and want a cool piece of interactive Forgotten Realms fiction, they're still wonderful, IMO.
I actually quite like Larian's approach of describing what you say rather than giving you an exact line of dialogue. Gives you a nice template to apply your imagination to. Not sure how I feel about it being in the past tense though.
2 holds up well yeah.
There's complaints about the enhanced version of 1 though.
If you can, play Icewind Dale 2 and Planescape Torment on PC too.
I can't answer to that as I have not played neither, although I'll be picking up Disco Elysium very soon. But it has as much freedom as Baldur's Gate 2 or Knights of the Old Republic, two games with a non-voiced protagonist.
Dragon Age Inquisition had multiple races and voiced protagonist. Of course it makes the game more expensive, but BG3 seems to be aiming for an AAA experience, and that, for me, implies voiced protagonist.
And I disagree about dialogue wheel usually having fewer choices. Take Planescape: Torment, for example. Most dialogues could very well fit a dialogue wheel. And I wouldn't be surprised if Shepard has more lines in either ME1 and ME2 than the nameless one in Torment.
I really don't like it either. In these types of games I like to actually read that stuff in my mind like I'm saying it. Not being told I have said something. I'm playing a role. I know what I said so let me "say" it.
As I said few pages ago, I honestly think you could just update the visuals/technical aspects of BG2 and still sell it today as an excellent RPG with a more than competent modern UI.
That said, this applies to the PC version. I have absolutely no comment on how that may control on a PS4 with a standard gamepad controller.
Given that it plays basically like a a RTS where you are in control of a small selection of units (with a lot of micromanagement options for each) I wouldn't expect it to translate particularly well.
I agree that it's flavour, but I don't think that means it's inconsequential. Flavour is a significant part of what you experience while playing a game, and it's largely flavour issues that have prevented me from enjoying previous Larian titles. So, seeing their normal brand of nonsense leaking into BG3 already makes me concerned I'm not going to enjoy this game either, which is (for me) sad.
No way Planescape would have worked with a dialogue wheel. Sure, there were plenty of conversations which had two or three options, but the most important and climactic ones were huge. Not to mention the sheer length of what you say often wouldn't be able to fit on a dialogue wheel:
I'm playing BG1 on the switch right now, and while I haven't gotten to the insane mage battles of BG2 it is pretty damn solid so far actually.
No way Planescape would have worked with a dialogue wheel. Sure, there were plenty of conversations which had two or three options, but the most important and climactic ones were huge. Not to mention the sheer length of what you say often wouldn't be able to fit on a dialogue wheel:
the conversation to recruit Dak'kon is one of the best things I've read and experienced in an RPG.
No way Planescape would have worked with a dialogue wheel. Sure, there were plenty of conversations which had two or three options, but the most important and climactic ones were huge. Not to mention the sheer length of what you say often wouldn't be able to fit on a dialogue wheel:
I did say most, I was even gonna mention the one with Ravel as the exception. But take a look at the Ignus one, for example. Those are just quesiton. They could very well fit a dialogue wheel under "investigate". The third one is the same. You have 3 key answers + investigate. Also could fit in a dialogue wheel. And Shepard has lines that long. Of course, the line itself wouldn't appear as an option, but that's another discussion about clarity.
So if anything your pics reinforce my point.
Same, the vibe i get is a d:os2 overhaul mod, im pretty excited
Yup, just what I expected. Very excited for this. I hope D&D has roughly the same ethnic diversity of Divinity 2. Don't want to play a boring white humans, dwarfs and elves fantasy game.
You can be whoever you want in D&D, I don't see why a game based on D&D wouldn't let you do the same thing. Especially Larian game.
And about the dialogue - maybe it's our hero telling the whole story? Kinda like Dragon Age 2. That's why dialogue is like this.
It's a significant increase in production value compared to the previous Larian titles.
Looks solid but it also seems a little too much like Divinity in the screens. Hopefully the gameplay video shows that it's more different.