No they don't the die space they have to sacrifice for desktop gpus over for consoles or servers will keep them from chasing a market that will heavily tilt towards nvidia for the foreseeable future.
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Bad news Nvidia – AMD’s new GPUs are in good stock and priced ‘strictly’ at MSRP
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No they don't the die space they have to sacrifice for desktop gpus over for consoles or servers will keep them from chasing a market that will heavily tilt towards nvidia for the foreseeable future.
I'm far less concerned about the single digit percentage difference between AMD and Nvidia's cards than I am about the difference in power consumption and heat.
I want AMD to be competitive on the GPU market and I'm glad there are now, relatively, affordable graphic cards available to consumers at MSRP. That is good news for everyone but the most cynical and I should know, I am one, but I do feel that AMD needs to do better. I don't as much feel they are being competitive, right now, as I feel they are overvaluing their products, and not just their graphics cards.
Before someone says I'm an Intel/Nvidia fan, yes I do have an Nvidia graphics card, as I've had plenty others in the past, but I am using an AMD processor. I care far more about performance and value than about the brand.
I want AMD to be competitive on the GPU market and I'm glad there are now, relatively, affordable graphic cards available to consumers at MSRP. That is good news for everyone but the most cynical and I should know, I am one, but I do feel that AMD needs to do better. I don't as much feel they are being competitive, right now, as I feel they are overvaluing their products, and not just their graphics cards.
Before someone says I'm an Intel/Nvidia fan, yes I do have an Nvidia graphics card, as I've had plenty others in the past, but I am using an AMD processor. I care far more about performance and value than about the brand.
They're priced for an enthusiast market that doesn't think the MSRP is actually worth it when it's an obvious stopgap for the next generation of hardware that's around the corner, and anyone who's been waiting a year or two for an affordable high end card at this point is going to keep waiting.
I have a Gsync monitor, and Plex also only supports Nvidia GPUs on Linux. There's just so many micro-inconveniences to using AMD cards at this point. The Nvidia advantage has really built up over the years.
This argument doesn't work when AMD is charging a premium for their GPU's, why pay 800 bucks for a GPU and not expect to enjoy RT.
it's not 2016 anymore, you don't just pick up a RX 580 for $200 and claim it's good enough because ultra settings are not worth it.
I mean, Nvidia makes better cards but that really doesn't carry a ton of weight for me with how unattainable they are, particularly for reasonable prices. I own a 2070 which has held up well enough but if the market wasn't the disaster it's been I probably would've upgraded by now. If the current situation is representative of where things will be when I actually decide to pull the trigger on a new GPU I'll most likely go AMD. But the way things have been kind of motivated me to hold onto my 2070 for as long as possible so we'll see.
GPU warriors are even worse than console ones, what with all this anecdotal evidence of "well I don't know any friends who have one!" I know the numbers say Nvidia has the market share, nah dur. Doesn't mean AMD GPU users don't exist. I really like my 6800XT, and at the time it was far cheaper than the 3080 plus I don't need RT or DLSS. 1440p ultra wide 144fps is my needs, and AMD does just that.
Yeah these revisions aren't helpful to the majority of power users, but they aren't meant for those people. Just like the 3040/50/60 are meant for lower end too.
Yeah these revisions aren't helpful to the majority of power users, but they aren't meant for those people. Just like the 3040/50/60 are meant for lower end too.
Don't think I'd ever consider an AMD GPU unless I had literally no other option purely because of NVENC alone. Stupidly good quality recording / streaming with no performance hit that also doesn't require you to have a second PC dedicated to encoding.
Bingo. 6950 is dumb. 6750 is meh. 6650 is 😅. We don't talk about 6500 series.
6850 would have been great for 6800 MSRP... and that's the one AMD skips.
6800XT is a good card. However, did you notice what was missing from the new AMD lineup?
Oh I know they skipped refreshing the 6800, and understandable when it's still a power house card. Granted the revision is just purely to flush in more stock and squeeze as much power out before RDNA 3, so I don't blame them for skipping the 6800.
My last several cards were AMD before moving to a 3080. Besides the better features, the driver performance and stability is also worth a premium with NVIDIA.
FSR 2.0 runs better on Nvidia cards as well.
Plus if you are a content creator or do anything outside of gaming (Stream, DCC tools, etc) Nvidia is a no brainer.
That's the card that folks want though and one that wasn't refreshed and not sold for MSRP. Hence the premise of the OP and related article is of dubious value.
I do agree on why AMD is doing that, but that's the same with NVIDIA and of course the AIBs.
Yeah, I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle being a longtime Linux user but also being team green. I went with the 5600XT form the 1060 to try and get into a good space on my desktop because of the advantages that tend to come from using AMD there recently, but... yeah, I realized after not a long time that I still prefer waiting for my dkms module to recompile with my kernel updates and all the advantages I get of sticking with nVidia over going to AMD.
Once again, 6800XT is the one card that AMD didn't refresh and isn't priced at AMD MSRP....
Yeah I'm glad I managed to get a 3060ti off queue at evga. The 3070ti seemed very hot. I never hear this card when gaming.
I mean, they 100% have the market share, it's a factual statement lol it's not even close actually
Always liked AMD cards. I have a 5600xt that runs anything I throw at it in 1080p and most times 1440p. Ray Tracing isn't really as big a deal to me.
MSRP was already pushed up by like 2-300usd. I can't get excited for cards that are still overpriced.
My 5700XT was a deal back when it released at $399.
The stuff they've been putting out now has inflated msrps. I sure hope they've improved their driver game, because they sucked bigtime when I had my 5700XT. Nvidia ran circles around them,
The stuff they've been putting out now has inflated msrps. I sure hope they've improved their driver game, because they sucked bigtime when I had my 5700XT. Nvidia ran circles around them,
It's not that they're bad products, they're just inferior in a way that makes them a poor value proposition for just about everybody. They're extremely competitive, even compelling, with some software, and then so thoroughly outclassed in other software from a practical standpoint (software with DLSS and ray tracing) that the top of the line AMD cards are only competing with nvidia's offerings a couple products down the stack.
Pretty much.
I've ping-ponged between AMD and Nvidia cards since getting into PC gaming proper. The 6000 series cards are good--but "good" isn't good enough to move the needle. Not at parity in price and performance with less features against a competitor beating you 4-to-1.
I imagine the profit margins go:
Enterprise servers >> desktop GPUs >>>> consoles > xCloud servers
AMD is in a good position with what I'm guessing to be the two least profitable categories while Nvidia has the two most profitable categories.
Neither of them makes their own chips, it's all contracted out to TSMC or Samsung, so it's in their interest to focus as much as possible on the most profitable products that they can sell.
People buying the latest high end GPUs want to be on the cutting edge of tech.
No one is going to give up ShadowPlay, DLSS, Ray Tracing, Gsync, RTX Voice and what ever other thing that Nvidia is going to innovate in next for........ ummmmmmmm, so what does AMD offer exactly?
Maybe a few extra FPS in some games, at native resolutions?
If you enjoy it, does the opinion of random internet people really matter?
But, still…
Not really. The refresh didn't really bring a notable performance increase. They also increased the MSRP for things like minute overclocks. So selling at "MSRP" is kinda misleading.
It's more enterprise servers>>laptops>>desktops>>>desktop GPUs>>>consoles> unsure about xcloud servers.
Nvidia owns most of the gaming GPU market. AMD would need an Intel level slip up from Nvidia which probably won't happen. Ultimately consoles and APUs are probably what will keep Radeon around for the foreseeable future. If they didn't go in on APUs and basically need em for laptops they'd probably be better off just axing GPUs and going just CPU only.
Furthermore, AMD has little reason to get all too price-competitive when the same processing nodes make oodles more money on the CPU side, especially for servers, where their EPYC series is unmatched. There's little incentive to allocate more resources towards GPU dies, at least now that we're seemingly leaving the extreme crypto shortage.
I'm not sure how you could really alter the discourse. AMD is back to competing on price, even if not intentionally due to lower demand. it's great if you need a good card at least
I don't think I know anyone who thinks this post is remotely relevant to the subject of the thread.
This.
6650XT matches a RTX 3060 - a card that would be $80 cheaper at MSRP. And the hypothetical 3060 at MSRP is already not a particularly great value.
So you pay a premium for a card with comparable raster performance and a worse feature set. But hey, it's available I guess? But a premium for availability kind of applies to everything. GPU market has sucked since the 20 series hit.
Theres like 20 posts after mine talking about no one wanting most of the AMD gpus. This is literally the same thing. It's pretty relevant as this could be part of the reason that things are reasonably priced .
Idk why my post bothers you more than the other ones. I know you probably just saw the first post mentioning that nobody wants them and just commented.
It's okay you can still buy the GPUs if you want, nobody is shaming you
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