Bad news for 3080 owners: Godfall dev says game "uses 4K by 4K textures and 12GB of graphics memory" at 4K Ultra

[nikos]

Pretty obvious what's going on here. Spoiler: Marketing.

Counterplay Games partnered with AMD for this game. AMD is about to launch cards. NVIDIA's 3080 has 10GB of GDDR6X. [Insert 12GB bullshit marketing here.] Difference is the 3080 runs GDDR6X, not GDDR6. Counterplay never even indicated the type of memory they're referring to. The 3080 won't have an issue running this game unless it's poorly optimized.

 

[Nooblet]

Because dlss goes a wrong sometimes with RT sometimes. In hacker game or whatever the new ubisoft game with rt look crazy off and I mean not right at all on some cars that were driving by. But yeah the performance hit really isn't worth it in alot of cases by itself.

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I mean that's the game I'm talking about.

It doesn't look off, it basically looks as it should. What's happening is that it's simply doing a lower resolution reflection and that's because DLSS cannot do anything about reconstructing reflection resolution. Watch Dogs RT is half res of the native res/pre DLSS resolution. So at 4K Quality DLSS your RT reflection is like quarter res of 4K rather than half res...which isn't really a bad thing as quarter of 4K for reflection is still pretty damn good and still quite a bit higher resolution than what Xbox Series X seems to be doing.

 

[Dalik]

Guess I'll just throw my 3080 ftw 3 ultra in the trash now.

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Hi i'm trash please let me hold your card for you

 

[Shutts]

Your operating system (Windows) is still running in the background while you are playing.

No one expects the console operating systems to use so much RAM. Every expectation is around 13GB VRAM for games for PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X.

We will know for sure in a few days.

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That's just the WD:Legion process fella... sitting big and fat in DRAM. Win10 is obviously on top of that.

 

[MajesticSoup]

Anyone know if or when Epic will be releasing that lumen in the land of nanite tech demo? It'll be interesting to see what effect those 8K textures have on vram.

 

[cardboardboxer]

I think the 6800 XT will age much better than the 3080 unless the games you want to play happen to be the ones that support DLSS. Being the same architecture as last gen consoles with 4GB of VRAM when many cards had 2GB or 3GB is why the AMD 290X aged so well.

 

[Onebadlion]

Pretty obvious what's going on here. Spoiler: Marketing.

Counterplay Games partnered with AMD for this game. AMD is about to launch cards. NVIDIA's 3080 has 10GB of GDDR6X. [Insert 12GB bullshit marketing here.] Difference is the 3080 runs GDDR6X, not GDDR6. Counterplay never even indicated the type of memory they're referring to. The 3080 won't have an issue running this game unless it's poorly optimized.

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Completely agree

 

[Sanka]

At what resolution are consoles displaying the game?

 

[Tovarisc]

NVIDIA shouldn't be getting away with selling 8GB and 10GB GPUs going into 2021 tho if 4K gaming is going to be the norm

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4k gaming wont be the norm for long time to come.

Source: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

4k gaming is very niche stuff in PC space still*

* yes, we don't know or can't tell how many are hooking PCs to 4k TVs for gaming

The expectation is around 13GB VRAM for games.

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So from 16 GB of total RAM in whole system 13 GB is pure VRAM, with rest 3 GB being for OS and general storage for game data? 🤔

Sounds bit... weird, to put it with some word. Next-gen games taking less general storage RAM than current-gen...

Or do you mean 13GB RAM is dedicated for the games, being split as RAM and VRAM depending on what game needs at what amounts?

game has very limited ray tracing, they played it safe

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I hope games like Control work with AMD RT HW right out of the box, those could be interesting benches to see too.

 

[wwm0nkey]

New AMD cards are rad, but this reeks of marketing.

 

[Nooblet]

4k gaming wont be the norm for long time to come.

Source: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

4k gaming is very niche stuff in PC space still*

* yes, we don't know or can't tell how many are hooking PCs to 4k TVs for gaming



So from 16 GB of total RAM in whole system 13 GB is pure VRAM, with rest 3 GB being for OS and general storage for game data? 🤔

Sounds bit... weird, to put it with some word. Next-gen games taking less general storage RAM than current-gen...

Or do you mean 13GB RAM is dedicated for the games, being split as RAM and VRAM depending on what game needs at what amounts?



I hope games like Control work with AMD RT HW right out of the box, those could be interesting benches to see too.

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That 13GB is for both VRAM and RAM, so the actual VRAM usage will vary but you can be guaranteed that it's going to be less than 10GB, maybe by ever a fair bit.

 

[TinTuba47]

Not that I'm sold on Godfall, but If I pick it up I wouldn't bother with 4K anything. 1440p is where it's at as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Tovarisc]

That 13GB is for both VRAM and RAM, so the actual VRAM usage will vary but you can be guaranteed that it's going to be less than 10GB, maybe by ever a fair bit.

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It would make sense games to chunk ~5 GB from 13 GB as general RAM, that would leave ~8 GB as VRAM. General RAM needs may even go up, especially with open world games, as gen gets rolling.

 

[Vuze]

Oh no AMD sponsored game is said to have suspiciously high VRAM requirements, surely not an attempt to sway potential 3080 buyers

 

[alphacat]

Where is Darktalon

 

[kostacurtas]

Or do you mean 13GB RAM is dedicated for the games, being split as RAM and VRAM depending on what game needs at what amounts?

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Yes, that is correct. 13GB of the RAM for the games.

Maybe it can be even more because of the SSD's. We will know for sure in a few days I imagine.

 

[MP!]

I mean Godfall looks like a pretty average game so maybe not bad news?

 

[theAllseeingEYE]

Pretty obvious what's going on here. Spoiler: Marketing.

Counterplay Games partnered with AMD for this game. AMD is about to launch cards. NVIDIA's 3080 has 10GB of GDDR6X. [Insert 12GB bullshit marketing here.] Difference is the 3080 runs GDDR6X, not GDDR6. Counterplay never even indicated the type of memory they're referring to. The 3080 won't have an issue running this game unless it's poorly optimized.

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I think you are generally right about this being marketing, but if the game was optimized for 12GB of memory at Ultra, and doesn't have a suitable option for 10GB cards, it's possible the 3080 could forced to use high setting textures, which could look noticeably lower res (probably closer to the PS5 textures).

 

[WishIwasAwolf]

Just turn the textures down and and maybe disable the HDR and you can play it still at high frame rates.

 

[DoradoWinston]

Wait, AC is AMD, while Watch Dogs is Nvidia?

Why

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yea it is, I mean it kinda makes sense.

Watch Dogs is probably the biggest game close the the release of the 30 series cards and AC is the biggest game close to the AMD release so they both just probably just passed along some cash

 

[Deepo]

Why did Nvidia skimp out on the vram in the 3000 series? Did they think AMD would stick with using 8 GB of vram in Big Navi?

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They didn't, they just put too much of it on one model, and too little on the other.

 

[Skyebaron]

Godfall is that person that everyone want to shut the fuck up as soon as a syllable is uttered from their rotten mouth. Youre this years Battleborne /Anthem/Failure, no one cares.

 

[InfinitePotat0]

I can't wait for the Cyberpunk AMD vs Nvidia conversation

 

[Uhtred]

4k gaming wont be the norm for long time to come.

Source: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

4k gaming is very niche stuff in PC space still*

* yes, we don't know or can't tell how many are hooking PCs to 4k TVs for gaming

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What do you reckon that graph looks like on consoles? I'm sure it's larger than 2.3% for 4k, but how much larger I wonder?

 

[Tovarisc]

What do you reckon that graph looks like on consoles? I'm sure it's larger than 2.3% but how much larger I wonder?

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Who was it from MS who talked about research that was conducted in US on 4k adoption rates at TV front and it was very low? Was it Spncer? It was when they were talking about Series S and why it's targeting sub-4K output.

I tried to google that stuff, couldn't find it now to see if there was any numbers there.

 

[kostacurtas]

I can't wait for the Cyberpunk AMD vs Nvidia conversation

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I hope most here are expecting that Cyberpunk 2077 will run (really) bad on AMD GPU's.

NVIDIA will push it as far as they can to ensure this.

 

[Zutrax]

I guess I've never really had to think about this before, but are you able to dedicate System RAM to be used as VRAM as a backup if your video card runs out of available VRAM to use? I have 32GB of RAM on my machine, so plenty to spare, presuming that's a feesible task.

 

[josiah]

I still game at 1440P Ultrawide. *shrug*

 

[Nooblet]

I guess I've never really had to think about this before, but are you able to dedicate System RAM to be used as VRAM as a backup if your video card runs out of available VRAM to use? I have 32GB of RAM on my machine, so plenty to spare, presuming that's a feesible task.

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The game does that automatically when it goes over VRAM, that's why the stuttering starts because system RAM is just not fast enough for real time rendering and there's a latency issue as well.

 

[Uhtred]

Who was it from MS who talked about research that was conducted in US on 4k adoption rates at TV front and it was very low? Was it Spncer? It was when they were talking about Series S and why it's targeting sub-4K output.

I tried to google that stuff, couldn't find it now to see if there was any numbers there.

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I'm sure it's super low overall, but it's probably a bit larger among gamers... maybe? Especially since marketing for console games never mentioned "4k" or upscaling, just 4K.

 

[Simuly]

I hope most here are expecting that Cyberpunk 2077 will run (really) bad on AMD GPU's.

NVIDIA will push it as far as they can to ensure this.

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Luckily for AMD this game is not releasing any time soon...delay to 2021 most likely :)

 

[fulltimepanda]

Probably marketing but wouldn't be surprised if it was legit. Saying that 10GB would be enough for 4k@Ultra (on PC nonetheless) over the next couple years was/is still speculation.

Why did Nvidia skimp out on the vram in the 3000 series? Did they think AMD would stick with using 8 GB of vram in Big Navi?

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GDDR6X is still relatively new (and expensive), the 3080 has room on the PCB for 12 chips, with 10 in use at the moment. 2gb GDDR6X chips are due to come out early next year.

So timelines and cost just didn't match up for a bigger model. They could have done what they did with the 3090 and put chips on the back of the card but that would have upped the cost substantially.

 

[Deleted member 45130]

I mean, the game doesn't even look good so why are the requirements so high? There shouldn't be any game in development that recommends a 3080.

 

[MajesticSoup]

I mean, the game doesn't even look good so why are the requirements so high? There shouldn't be any game in development that recommends a 3080.

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Watch Dogs Legion already recommends a 3080.

 

[Tovarisc]

Watch Dogs Legions already recommends a 3080.

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And you think it has nothing to do with game being NV sponsored and going alongside with Ampere release?

 

[Deleted member 46804]

And you think it has nothing to do with game being NV sponsored and going alongside with Ampere release?

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More like the performance on PC isn't great especially with RT on unless you have a high end card.

 

[Dictator]

Pretty obvious what's going on here. Spoiler: Marketing.

Counterplay Games partnered with AMD for this game. AMD is about to launch cards. NVIDIA's 3080 has 10GB of GDDR6X. [Insert 12GB bullshit marketing here.] Difference is the 3080 runs GDDR6X, not GDDR6. Counterplay never even indicated the type of memory they're referring to. The 3080 won't have an issue running this game unless it's poorly optimized.

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I am going to say - this is probably, quite indeed, partner Marketing at work.
I will test this when it comes out of course. But really... as I have been testing a lot of UE4 games and never seen ones that use that much VRAM at 4K. I would like to be surprised here.

This just seems like GPU vendor wars to me till it comes out and not anything to actually cry Doom about.

As an example of similar wierdness of partner Marketing and VRAM amounts. When Radeon VII came out AMD claimed games needed 16 GB of RAM at 4K...their test to prove this was Far Cry 5 at 4K with DRS Set to on and with no fps cap. Which makes literally no sense.
Edit: spelling is hrd

 

[Powerofthecloud]

As an example of similar wierness of parnet Marketing and VRAM amounts. When Radwon VII came out AMD claimed games needed 16 GB of RAM at 4K...their testto prove this was Far Cry 5 at 4K with DRS Set to on and with no fps cap. Which makes literally no sense.

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All I know is that marketing fucked up somewhere. Radwon would have been a much better named series 😄

 

[MajesticSoup]

And you think it has nothing to do with game being NV sponsored and going alongside with Ampere release?

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From benchmarks and the thread here a 3080 sounds about right for that game at DLSS 4K.

 

[Deleted member 73264]

This is weird, they claim it needs that much VRAM due to the size of the textures used, but... why not just limit the texture memory used? You can stream in lower mip levels if there's not enough memory available, and prioritize based on distance to the camera.

It might make sense if they were doing deferred shading and using a bunch of HDR buffers... Forward+ seems more popular nowadays, at least partially due to exploding memory requirements for deferred in 4K. 12GB is still an insane amount, though.

 

[noeybys]

Out of 16gb ram on consoles, I assume ~10gb is used for vram.

In which case console settings and resolution will need 10gb to run well during the heaviest scenes.

I guess higher than console settings and resolution with better ray tracing and high asset quality will require 12gb ram during the heaviest scenes?

 

[GreyHand23]

This is weird, they claim it needs that much VRAM due to the size of the textures used, but... why not just limit the texture memory used? You can stream in lower mip levels if there's not enough memory available, and prioritize based on distance to the camera.

It might make sense if they were doing deferred shading and using a bunch of HDR buffers... Forward+ seems more popular nowadays, at least partially due to exploding memory requirements for deferred in 4K. 12GB is still an insane amount, though.

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Why should they have to limit the texture memory? Their are video cards with more than 10 gig of VRAM, so why not use it. If you don't have that much you can always lower settings and it likely won't even look that much worse.

 

[dgrdsv]

They will need to make huge strides in omitting all optimizations for that to be remotely close to reality. Not saying that it's impossible since it's an AMD sponsored game and these are quite often fubared technically by marketing influence. Huge strides though.

 

[etta]

I am going to say - this is probably, quite indeed, partner Marketing at work.
I will test this when it comes out of course. But really... as I have been testing a lot of UE4 games and never seen ones that use that much VRAM at 4K. I would like to be surprised here.

This just seems like GPU vendor wars to me till it comes out and not anything to actually cry Doom about.

As an example of similar wierdness of partner Marketing and VRAM amounts. When Radeon VII came out AMD claimed games needed 16 GB of RAM at 4K...their test to prove this was Far Cry 5 at 4K with DRS Set to on and with no fps cap. Which makes literally no sense.
Edit: spelling is hrd

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Anyone who knows anything about VRAM in games would know this is bullcrap, you shouldn't need 12GB for any reason.

 

[asmith906]

I am going to say - this is probably, quite indeed, partner Marketing at work.
I will test this when it comes out of course. But really... as I have been testing a lot of UE4 games and never seen ones that use that much VRAM at 4K. I would like to be surprised here.

This just seems like GPU vendor wars to me till it comes out and not anything to actually cry Doom about.

As an example of similar wierdness of partner Marketing and VRAM amounts. When Radeon VII came out AMD claimed games needed 16 GB of RAM at 4K...their test to prove this was Far Cry 5 at 4K with DRS Set to on and with no fps cap. Which makes literally no sense.
Edit: spelling is hrd

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Is there a technical reason why games targeting next gen consoles wont make vram usage go up if you're trying to play at the highest settings in 4k. I always figured vram usage was low in games since they still had to target base consoles which used the equivalent of a 7870 gpu.

 

[Ra]

They will need to make huge strides in omitting all optimizations for that to be remotely close to reality. Not saying that it's impossible since it's an AMD sponsored game and these are quite often fubared technically by marketing influence. Huge strides though.

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That would be some shit, sabotage your own game for the marketing deal.

Is there a technical reason why games targeting next gen consoles wont make vram usage go up if you're trying to play at the highest settings in 4k. I always figured vram usage was low in games since they still had to target base consoles which used the equivalent of a 7870 gpu.

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VRAM usage will go up. But please establish the baseline for where it has been, from where it will go up, and by how much it will increase.

Now we get into allocation vs utilization, and people wrongly assuming how much VRAM we've been using for the last 5 years. Furthermore, what tools are the developers using and which number are they reporting in the system requirements?

 

[tusharngf]

nvidia sponsored game : Wow next gen is here 12gb vram. What a time to alive.
Amd sponsored game: what a load of bullshit .. lets wait for some benchmarks.

 

[Gatti-man]

I'm guess the 3080 will run it just fine. Let's wait and see

 

[Xiaomi]

"Uses" is a vague term. It could mean "allocates" which is fine, a lot of games allocate the max vram a gpu has as "usable," or it could mean uses uses, which would be pretty unique.

 

[Ra]

nvidia sponsored game : Wow next gen is here 12gb vram. What a time to alive.
Amd sponsored game: what a load of bullshit .. lets wait for some benchmarks.

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Yes I'm sure this is how the discussion plays out when an Nvidia sponsored game dev is reading a teleprompter of PR jargon.

People never then shift the discussion to a touted feature like uh ray tracing stomping the performance like 70%.