psychowave is a woman, you could have maybe clicked on her profile before talking down on how women are treated here.
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Awarding discrimination - The Game Awards
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There's quite a few of us, actually. What the men here don't understand is their constant dismissal of women's feeling in these threads discourages any of them from posting their thoughts. Why bother? It's like talking to a wall.
If this thread was a discussion between women, that would be something else. Obviously, all women don't agree. What's happening here though, is male posters clinging to anything that makes it so they don't have the acknowledge the women posting here's feelings. Do you like it when someone tells you "well so-and-so over there said it's okay, so there, end-of-argument"?
................................................ i'm a woman and i think ninja is a misogynist. please mansplain more 🤔
It's just the renamed "Trending Gamer" award, so it's par for the course.
Of course it was going to go to the green haired Mike Pence.
Of course it was going to go to the green haired Mike Pence.
But you're also writing off her feelings on the matter as well.
Blaming her is one thing. Considering how it might make her feel is another.
Are none of you folks fucking MARRIED?! Its not that goddamn complicated.
Example, years ago, I went to lunch with a lady co-worker because I had been awarded it through job performance, but she had a hand in helping me with it. I thought it fair to share the earnings. When I told my wife abiut it, she was pretty distressed about it. So now, I make it a point to either not do it at all, or discuss it with her prior.
This shit isnt binary, y'all.
We're talking about the same awards show that invited Boogie after his "the nazis had some right ideas" and "LBGT would have less pushback if they waited 5-10 more years for marriage to be legalized instead of forcing it" BS.
You're right, I could have but it doesn't change my point.
The point I'm making is that opposing opinions get tossed aside because people don't budge from their stances. It isn't just a woman thing, it branches off to other topics across the forum as well.
It's clear a large portion of people do not make this out to be as big of a deal as many in this thread.
In hindsight I clearly not only could have worded it better but going forward I should make more of an effort to maybe check user status.
Ya I dont get it. I have a very strong relationship with my Wife based on God, faith and trust. We instruct our children to respect and trust everyone as the Bible teaches. He is clearly lacking some trust with his wife and it DOESNT warrant shutting out Women from gaming with him IMO.
As someone who is about to get married, if ninja consides that not streaming with woman is the best for his marriage, I got to accept his decision and admire that he preferred his marriage to the bad press this decision brings to his career.
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In your rebuttal, you refute my point, and then enhance it by callin me a mansplainer. Which is it?
How about this, I'll let PaperSparrow's post above literally say what I just said.
i'm married
and we're fucking grownups, so no, it would not be issue if i had to , *gasp*, work with a woman that was not my wife
the dude isn't going out to dinner with anyone. he's playing videogames live on the internet with millions of people watching
I really don't fully understand why his reasoning is considered sexist.
By saying "I don't like to stream with female streamers because my fanbase starts talking bullshit like we have chemistry or I should cheat with said female streamer" he is saying "My fanbase is stupid and I don't want to deal with the rumours about my personal life". Or am I misunderstanding something... He's not like "female streamers are beneath me".
Like, I think his reasoning IS STUPID but not really misogynistic.
By saying "I don't like to stream with female streamers because my fanbase starts talking bullshit like we have chemistry or I should cheat with said female streamer" he is saying "My fanbase is stupid and I don't want to deal with the rumours about my personal life". Or am I misunderstanding something... He's not like "female streamers are beneath me".
Like, I think his reasoning IS STUPID but not really misogynistic.
He's doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, I hope he realizes this and changes his mind, but it's not all there is to him and it doesn't erease all the good things he does, too.
ANd another reason I find myself commenting fewer and fewer as time goes on - a large portion of people don't see at as a big deal (men) therefore we will ignore the actual women in the thread. This happens again and again. Of course you don't see it as a big deal, it doesn't affect you, maybe you should sit down and actually listen to the women in the forum??? It is a woman's thing cus I've seen it happen again and again to women in the forum and I'm not even the only one bringing it up in this thread, never mind the rest of the forum.
I always just read between the lines on his statement -- his wife gets jealous, and it creates more headaches in his life/relationship than it is worth. It's a dumb and immature way to handle being with someone that is insecure, but at some point people that have to deal with that will just take the path of least resistance.
Its not a dog, and sonicfox was the best moment of any game awards ever, he's the most genuine and kind esports player in history.
i dont need anyone to point out that this isnt an exact 1 to 1 comparison, but i'm still making my point:
if it were the 60s and he refused to work with a black man because it wasn't worth the headache, would you defend that decision?
You think that is a low bar? He refuses to stream with other women based on their gender and their gender alone. How could that possibly be considered anything other than discrimination? What is wrong with your brain?
Marriages arent the same. People arent the same. Again, this whole argument is forgoing ALL of this nuance in favor of deciding that it IS or ISNT in a binary manner. Thats not how any if this works. And you also act like theres not much difference between enjoying a video game session with a lady for up to 8 hours, and having an hour long dinner. You, me, and the internet dont get to decide that.
Hey look, another thread that Geoff Keighley can safely ignore, like all the other ones.
Well, except that one praising the VGAs. He was right quick posting on that one
And all the ones hyping it up. Can't forget those either.
But answering to legitimate concerns? Ain't nobody got time for that when there are bigots to pander to.
Well, except that one praising the VGAs. He was right quick posting on that one
And all the ones hyping it up. Can't forget those either.
But answering to legitimate concerns? Ain't nobody got time for that when there are bigots to pander to.
do you not realize what you're doing? i said that women don't use ERA because of the misogyny, then you said that ackshually it's because men tell women what they should be offended by, which is exactly what you were fucking doing
like, holy shit dude, get some self awareness maybe.
Well if you toss out literally EVERY OTHER FACTOR in the matter, (which youre doing) then I guess so. Id say forgetting any feelings or agency his wife has in the matter is more misogynist than his actions
Then you ignored the rest of my post, and then ignored that I referred you to anotger woman in the thread who literally echoed what I had said. So like, lets both agree on when the goalpost is going before you decide you wanna relocate it. 🤷♂️
why are we acting like "i dont work with women because my wife might get mad" is a valid argument, in any situation, ever? why are we even entertaining this as a valid thing. jesus christ
there's no need for nuance here. the dude isn't going to a woman's house to play games with her for 8 hours, for fun.
he's WORKING. its his job. not to mention he does it on a public stage, for everyone to see
men always love picking and choosing which women's voices they amplify. usually, it's the women who just so happen to agree with them. funny, that :^)
I mean, it's not even just Gaming, wasn't ninja prominently featured in the youtube rewind video?
And it's a space with a huge "no girls allowed" problem that he is only exacerbating by pulling that shit
Please don't use my post as a bludgeon on another female poster. If men cared about what we had to say, their only posts in here would be encouraging the women of the forum to speak up, not assume how women as a whole feel on the subject. I understand that's what you are trying to say, but the way you are coming off seems like you are dismissing a woman here because of your assumptions on women's feelings, which is exactly what you said men here shouldn't do.
Discrimination isn't always about hatred, it's about excluding people for something they have no control over, like being a woman.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/11/17675738/ninja-twitch-female-gamers
Here are his actual statements. I can't believe this thread got this far without 5 seconds of googleing. It's astounding how long people can argue over second hand impressions of a statement they've never actually read themselves.
Here are his actual statements. I can't believe this thread got this far without 5 seconds of googleing. It's astounding how long people can argue over second hand impressions of a statement they've never actually read themselves.
I mean from the context of the post he's referring to, it sounds like PaperSparrow was actually refering to men like him ignoring women's voices, so I don't even know where he got that she agreed with him????
Apolgies I dont know who is and isnt a woman in this thread. So I went by literally the first post on that page that said "Im a woman" and thought "well darn, i just said that on the previous page".
Youre not being helpful here. Nor are you saying anything about her post. Why? Because you dont want to.
It goes to my original point though. My itention just to weaponize your post, but rather as an agreement to it. You echoed what I said indirectly so I simply said "See?"
dude, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM. you're one of those men picking and choosing what women should and shouldn't find misogynistic that you apparently think are so bad. you're literally the problem. stop using women's opinions as ammunition against other women. if you cared about what we have to say, you would shut up and listen, not say "see, see, this female over here agrees with me!!".
also this lmao, i don't see her saying that ninja isn't a misogynist???? wtf where's the self-awareness
I'm well aware of what he said. It's a bad, discriminatory statement
Right, which is the reason your answer to the issue wasn't "Alright, I'll make sure to never interact with a woman in a professional manner ever again". Which is exactly what Ninja did, on his own volition., because he doesn't want "rumors", as the biggest figurehead of this entire industry right now.
You are aware the specific example I stated was a woman's view being ignored right?
I'm not disagreeing with you that gaming culture is toxic towards women.
if only we would listen to his reasons for discriminating against half the human population, then we'd understand
it literally does not matter what his reasons are
Ok then fair enough- please tell me which voices to listen to. Ill sit right here and listen. 👨💻
Jontrons highest video has...35 million. They don't care, it's that simple, sadly.
His argument is that men shouldn't assume women's feeling, which I agree with. I don't agree with using that argument against a female poster, especially to dismiss her feelings, which is exactly what my post was against.
Please stop using my post to attack psychowave. We can argue with each other if we disagree, which I don't believe we do.
I've seen what it looks like when morons in Twitch chat immediately assume X must be dating Y because they appeared on a stream together, I watch a VRChat streamer who has outright set up a bot in his chat that constantly spams "this is just RP people, it's not real" but that doesn't stop people from seeking out literally any woman he plays with to threaten them with gross and hateful messages about how they're ruining their preferred ship. It's shameful stuff and I'm sure it would happen to women Ninja plays with.
At the same time, the guy I watch doesn't let that stop him. He does everything he can to curb the shitty behavior and continues to play with women anyway. So I understand Ninja's concerns (assuming he is being genuine about it and not just inventing an excuse to have a boy's club), but at the end of the day you can either let a bunch of random dorks in their mom's basement dictate who you get to play with or you can say "fuck you trolls" and live your life.
At the same time, the guy I watch doesn't let that stop him. He does everything he can to curb the shitty behavior and continues to play with women anyway. So I understand Ninja's concerns (assuming he is being genuine about it and not just inventing an excuse to have a boy's club), but at the end of the day you can either let a bunch of random dorks in their mom's basement dictate who you get to play with or you can say "fuck you trolls" and live your life.
I really don't whether he does it out of his own mysoginist views or..because his wife doesn't want him to stream with women.
One is reprehensible, the other is totally ok in my book, outside of me question what kind of marriage that is, but that's not the point anyway. Do we really know he made these statements out of the former motivation and not the latter?
One is reprehensible, the other is totally ok in my book, outside of me question what kind of marriage that is, but that's not the point anyway. Do we really know he made these statements out of the former motivation and not the latter?
Really? Huh.
If that was actually his arguement, he wouldn't continue to have a go at women and other posters in the thread for bringing up that men are talking over women in these forums. He just keeps using it to silence women, which is why I thought he was misconstrueing your post.
free piece of advice: if your SO gets mad about you spending some time with other people, just run away.
"um ackshually sweaty"
"this is why women don't like this website btw"
"um ackshually sweaty"