????????? You are the one derailing the thread!! What on earth, am I taking crazy pills???
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Avengers Kang Dynasty (May 2025) and Avengers Secret Wars (November 2025) announced
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????????? You are the one derailing the thread!! What on earth, am I taking crazy pills???
Understand, we live in a society where one of the most picked apart aspects of the Black appearance, besides our hair and skin tones, are the shapes of our lips and particularly our noses.
So, when you make your criticism of a Black actor's ability to play a fictional comic book character, drawn multiple ways by multiple artists, solely about the shape of their nose...please rethink the micro-aggressive nature of your criticism.
They need someone who can play incredibly strong and arrogant. I can think of no one more perfect than
Tom Cruise. 😈
Yeah. It's not gonna be a matter of people organizing and being like "we're the New Avengers! You can be called the Mighty Avengers"
There will be multiple major crises going on and whoever is available at the right time and place will become Avengers. They may not even call the Young Avengers that in the end, they're just gonna be a group of younger Avengers. Lowercase y and n on these newer teams in the MCU. "The New Avengers" will just be referred to as Avengers
As someone who's fatigued with the deluge of Marvel content, I'm gonna watch the shit out of these Avengers movies. I think Kang's a really cool villain and Jonathon Majors is a great actor, so I'm hyped for 2025.
Yep. You never walk into a Dr Strange thread and see someone complaining about extremely minor random details about Benedict Cumberbatch's appearance. Or see it for Evans, Ruffolo, Downey, Bettany, Stan, Hemsworth...
Weird how "I just have a preference, I just don't like how they look" doesn't happen all the time yet happens commonly only for certain actors and actresses...
Yeah it feels very suspicious to start mentioning his nose as a critique.
What if......
Yea, I had this thought too. I'm not sure it would be a great idea, but I could see Doom being another Variant of Kang as an adaptation. It would essentially be a conflict between which 'Kang' is the best which makes sense for something like Secret Wars.
edit: But I hope they don't do the variant route, I think having Doom as the major opposition to Kang would be the best way to show his character. He can be the one dude to figure out how to combat all the time shenanigans by Kang while manipulating events to his favour.
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I'm genuinely hoping they get an actor that's perfectly fine with having their face covered in all of their appearances, instead of opting for a CG mask. The problem with a lot of superhero films is that you have actors constantly take it off for emotional performances. Holland's Spidey is the biggest example of that, especially when he's supposed to be have a secret identity.
But definitely it needs to be someone who has an imposing voice and a major stage presence.
I think there's a good chance you might see him in The Marvels given he is also apart of Marvel's cosmic corner. Plus, Carol is being pushed as Marvel's own Superman, so it would make sense to cue her into the biggest threat going forward.
I'd hope that Kang Dynasty adapts the incursions throughout the movie or at the 616 vs. Ultimate universe battle at the very end as a "snap" moment. It would be cool if they showcase them across movies and projects like F4. Hell, I'd also take the few projects in between Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars showcasing pieces of Battleworld if they go that route.
Genuinely dislike the idea of Doom being a version of Kang though. Especially when he's rumored to be a far-flung descendant of Reed in the comics and that those are two wholly separate characters with their own mentalities.
Jesus Christ...Would've preferred someone with a sharper nose, so he'd look something like this :
I have seen some really bad casting "preferences" due to pedantic over reliance on source material, but this may very well be the most ridiculous take I have ever read.
(This is all notwithstanding the fact that Kang doesn't even have a canonical/consistent look to his nose. I'm also going to give the benefit of the doubt and not even address all the racial undertones to this take.)
I can definitely see something like this happening. I have a feeling comic book fans are going to go nuts and be very disappointed with the MCU version of Doom. Dropping him as a human with his comic book power levels, with presumably minimal character build up across movies before Secret Wars, into the modern day MCU isn't going to jive well with a general audience that don't know or care about his comic book portrayals.
I think either Doom's character itself and/or his involvement in Secret Wars is going to materially differ from the comic books.
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Yeah, some people are ridiculous. All characters have different portrayals. Get used to it.
I don't think the stakes of MCU Secret Wars will have all realities getting destroyed in incursions. I think itll come down to just the 616 and Kang the Conqueror's universe or like a mix of a few like 616, Fox Universe, Sony Universe, etc.
For the movies I think the threat of 616 being destroyed in an incursion is big enough for the stakes. And I think it'll happen at the end of The Kang Dynasty and the universe that comes out of Secret Wars will be more like House of M. A Utopia created by Doom rather than Battleworld. The heroes will reject it and fight Doom over the power to rebuild the universe as it should be.
Spider-Man 4 and Deadpool
For the movies I think the threat of 616 being destroyed in an incursion is big enough for the stakes. And I think it'll happen at the end of The Kang Dynasty and the universe that comes out of Secret Wars will be more like House of M. A Utopia created by Doom rather than Battleworld. The heroes will reject it and fight Doom over the power to rebuild the universe as it should be.
Spider-Man 4 and Deadpool
Yes, plenty of room left for those. Probably also Black Knight, but that will probably turn into a D+ show?
I'm not super familiar with secret wars so I read the wiki. Holy shit this will be so damn epic. I know a lot of the characters will have to be changed around but it sounds so awesome.
Secret Wars and the like, 10 or so years of Jonathan Hickman comics that lead into it are just fucking amazing, some of the best Marvel content ever
Even though I know the story now I just bought the paperback off Amazon. I'm excited!
The run from Hickman from Fantastic Four through Secret Wars is the best piece of fiction I've ever enjoyed. I don't know if I'll read anything better in my lifetime, especially now as I re-read them as a father
Looks like I'll want to pick up a lot of other back issues too. I was always a xmen only kinda guy growing up and stuck to all those trades. It wasn't until the MCU that I grew to appreciate all these other characters. Now I'm ultra hyped to see it all unfold. Speaking of xmen, this is all makes a ton of sense how it can all lead up to their resurgence. I'm so blown away by the entire MCU and what they've accomplished in what will be decades worth of stories. I know some people get burnt out by all this but I'm loving it.
Cancel your order and buy his Fantastic Four and Avengers books first instead.
Haha that would absolutely awesome. I can't wait to hear about who gets cast.
Ok buying both but won't read secret war yet. It'll sit on my shelf momentarily.
Secret Wars is good but it's not the best part of Hickman's story and it is the end. It's the Return of the Jedi to Time Runs Out's Empire.
Me either, it's time for Doom to finally get his shine.
After Loki and Last Black Man in San Francisco, I absolutely cannot wait to see more Majors Kang. Really hope this run catapults him.
This is probably the best time to read this. Maybe after Black Panther Wakanda Forever just to get introduced to one last major player (Namor).
The omnibusses organize the issues neatly. It's all one author so it'll be a clean read.
I've read the Avengers/New Avengers run before Secret Wars, but didn't read the FF run prior to them. I should do that sometime before the film comes out. Just go through all the Hickman books.So many moments burned into my brain
and his Ultimate stuff. And Secret Warriors. and his SHIELD story and his new X-Men stuff
just read everything Hickman's ever done for Marvel :)
Definitely.
Secret Wars is just the cherry on top of the sundae that is the entire rest of the run.
Been slowly going through the X-Men run. It's good stuff. It's the reason I want Krakoa to be prominent in the MCU. It's such an interesting take of the mutants.
When you say Ultimate, you mean the team, not the universe, right?
The secret war that's taking place is movie studios trying to get VFX resources onto their growing plates.
