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Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT2| Changing the past doesn't change the future
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This is a huge part of why I enjoyed Endgame more than Infinity War and feel it's the better movie by a substantial margin. The two movies can't exist without the other, but Infinity War feels like three movies crammed into one, and constantly slamming on the accelerator to get to the next set-piece, the next group of characters, the next location, the next flashback, the next stone, etc. What has made the MCU work as well as it has is that it always focused on the characters behind the masks; Iron Man didn't feature Stark in his full suit till nearly 80 minutes into the movie. But aside from a few emotional beats that felt unearned (not counting the Snap), Infinity War is practically all spectacle, no humanizing.
Endgame's willingness to slow down and let us linger with these characters, as well as its much more focused narrative through-line, really elevated it above Infinity War for me.
I thought it hit home when he got pissed at the other Avengers because Natasha was gone. He always saved the day in the past, for thousands of years. He wanted so badly to be able to save her like he'd saved so many before, and just couldn't accept that sometimes loss is permanent.
Lowkey Professor Hulk is one of the better character arcs MCU provided even thought it showed up as a joke
Also, super excited to have Thor be part of GOTG, I genuinely love those movies and his character from Ragnarok.
Also, super excited to have Thor be part of GOTG, I genuinely love those movies and his character from Ragnarok.
I'm really curious as to how Thor would work in an AsGuardians movie.
Won't he be an insta win button there against any straight up fight? As much as I enjoyed him I hope he doesn't overshadow the rest of the cast too much and I'm sure Star Lord shares that sentiment lol
Won't he be an insta win button there against any straight up fight? As much as I enjoyed him I hope he doesn't overshadow the rest of the cast too much and I'm sure Star Lord shares that sentiment lol
Not too fond of Thanos in this one, had a bit of sympathy for him in IW, but EG just couldn't get the balance down, he went fool toon towards the end, and the complete hypocrisy - criticizing the heroes for time traveling as being stubborn, while doing it himself, critisizing them of being arrogant yet he was willing to risk his life when he was like 10x more likely to die jumping into a future timeline where they would more than likely be ready for him.
One minute he's cool calm and collected during the fight, the minute he gets his ass kicked he babies out and asks for his artillery to just fire on everything on the battlefield, then when he's finally screwed he 180s again and just accepts it, doesn't even give a spiteful death qoute, yet a few moments before says he's "inevitable" literally started laughing during the last half of the battle. This guy is something else.
One minute he's cool calm and collected during the fight, the minute he gets his ass kicked he babies out and asks for his artillery to just fire on everything on the battlefield, then when he's finally screwed he 180s again and just accepts it, doesn't even give a spiteful death qoute, yet a few moments before says he's "inevitable" literally started laughing during the last half of the battle. This guy is something else.
If we analyze the statement Odin made. Thor draws his power from Asgard and Asgard is not a place it's the people.
So in IW Thor is King of Asgard. He failed to protect his people but because of his dedication to his people he became so enraged with Vengeance that he was able to draw every last bit of power from the Asgardians (you could even say he was drawing from their anger) left alive before the Snap to transfer into Stormbreaker to overpower Thanos.
However after getting his revenge and how hollow it was Thor had nothing to left to draw his power from. The people of Asgard decimated to barely anyone left. He had become so broken as a man that the power he had mustered by becoming King of Asgard is no more.
So he will begin a new journey to find his power not by earning his place as King of Asgard who he was supposed to be but by finding his power in becoming who he wants to be.
Now that he has relinquished his status as King of Asgard, he will still be pretty strong but nowhere near peak level now that he is on this new journey.
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Yeah, I saw that just now and I'm like, where did that come from? Lol. I'm on my phone, so maybe I was going to respond to it in another thread but didn't, and it saved it in my quote tags? Lol
Has this been posted yet?
This is what someone with no agency in their own life or any power does to pass the time.
What I like about Steve running the support group is that that's what Sam did in Winter Soldier.
Has it been explained how cap puts the soul stone back in it's place? Sorry if this has been answered a million times.
I mean Thanos was only a thing for two scenes, and both times, she was pretty key
The way they kill off Black Widow is so tropey. They did the same thing with Gamora. It's also the absolutely most obvious they could have done from the audience standpoint since they know the truth about the soul stone. I really wish they subverted expectations by having Hawkeye throw his bow and arrows as a sacrifice and it works because he has a lot of sentimental value in it or something.
Why is Thanos so tough in the final fight? I thought he was that powerful in Infinity War because he had the Power Stone. He was basically as strong as he was in Infinity War without the magic powers.
Why is Thanos so tough in the final fight? I thought he was that powerful in Infinity War because he had the Power Stone. He was basically as strong as he was in Infinity War without the magic powers.
I dont think "Wakanda Apechant" is hilarious.
Yeah. I mean arguably she was the single most effective person in that entire battle if you take her destroying his entire fleet into consideration. Wanda beat him in a 1v1 but Carol stopped him from pulling a snap long enough for RDJ to get into position to finish the job. She did everything she was supposed to do while still giving the key moment to the longest running person in the franchise. She'll be one of the main stars whenever Avengers 5 comes out.
I completely forgot about that line from Odin, though I think my interpretation is less literal than yours. As in Thor drawing a sense of purpose from Asgard's peoples not pulling people's energy ala Genkidama or more relevantly like Hela anchoring her existence on it.
It would make for an interesting arc for him though I agree.
You have to sacrifice an actual living being to get the stone, so this would be a pretty nonsensical subversion lol
I'd rather they bend the rules on that. Maybe Hawkeye "tests" it to see if it really has to be a living being.
Sure you haven't gotten the 1st and 3rd hours around the wrong way?
"A soul for a soul."
Tossing in a replaceable bow doesn't really work.
I was really expecting Hawkeye to give his daughter some sort of fundamental archery tip.
Then, at some later point in the movie while he's under enormous pressure and has to shoot some ridiculous shot, he would have to remember his own advice and stay cool.
Come to think of it, I don't really remember any amazing archery stuff at all in Endgame.
Then, at some later point in the movie while he's under enormous pressure and has to shoot some ridiculous shot, he would have to remember his own advice and stay cool.
Come to think of it, I don't really remember any amazing archery stuff at all in Endgame.
The soul stone is simple. (Hands it to Red Skull) Here's, it's yours. What I want to know is how the Mind, Power, Reality and Space Stones were returned. They were just placed in that briefcase in their pure forms. Cap didn't even take the Scepter with him.
He wasn't imho.
Thanos seemed to be more vulnerable to Tony's beams always deflecting it instead of tanking it, Mjolnir wielding Cap literally hammer-uppercut him off his feet and his lightning attacks visibly hurts him too. Hell Wanda very nearly disassembled him, even Shuri, Rescue Armor Pepper and, damn I can't remember the other one was it Wanda?, joint tri-beam attack also blows him back.
It's just, he's fully armed and armored plus a scarily skilled fighter going for the kill and well.. Tony made the mistake of letting him get close and ate a Stormbreaker smashed Mjolnir to his chest knocking him out for most of the fight, Thor is in no shape to fight him melee and as awesome as Mjolnir wielding Cap is by that time he has to completely solo Thanos. Even though he gets a lot of good hits in he just can't outlast him.
Now compare that with IW where everyone gets free shots at Thanos and only Stark made him bleed.
That just ruins the entire scene. It wouldn't even be a clever loophole, it'd just be plain disregarding what Red Skull had literally just told them. Nor would the audience ever buy that his bow/arrows are special to Clint when he's never made a fuss about them before.
Also they justified why they have no reason to doubt him, which included Red Skull knowing Natasha's father's name, something she was unaware of.
So the guy who last year tweeted about Fat Thor, Jarvis cameo and the elevator scene apparently has new info for future movies, maybe GotG3:
Rocket was created by the High Evolutionary, Drax's daughter is alive, Lylla the Otter will be introduced and Quill grows closer to Nebula
"Incredible" really? I mean I dont care what her hair looks like but how is it "incredible?"
Saw the movie for the second time the other day and it was still amazing.
MCU> SW, LOTR, HP any day of the week.
The only way I could see you could bend the rules on the Soul Stone would be if Banner went over the cliff and they repeat the Incredible Hulk/Ragnarok where he basically dies but the Hulk emerges, maybe he would be purely Savage Hulk after that point with Banner's soul gone. But still, that wouldn't really work.
(It should have been Cap)
Yup! That was the first thing I thought when that scene played in Endgame. So many subtle and overt callbacks.
Another really touching and human moment was Happy talking to Morgan about the cheeseburgers. Yeah, it's a callback to Iron Man 1, but the scene plays so well for anyone that has ever been to a funeral with really young children, in particular the child of the deceased, and they haven't quite processed what's happening, but the adults are trying to be as comforting as possible to the kids. It was a very believable moment, and I'm glad it was Happy sharing that moment with Tony's daughter. I mean, Favreau kicked this whole thing off thanks to Iron Man being such a good movie. It was fitting to me that he'd have a moment like that for this final Tony Stark movie.
It's not like he has a healing factor.
As someone with no attachment to be accurate to the comics, this seems... fine.
I like that there are repercussions and it gives more weight to both Banner's claim that Thor would not survive it and Stark's sacrifice.
On the meta side I'm also fine with Hulk making way for new MCU heroes to shine.
Can't always have the instant win button by having Prof Hulk on speed dial lol
...and the joke of other MCU movies always asking where's the Avengers is wearing thin imo
It's not like he has a healing factor.
I do hope Ruffalo makes some more appearances at some point. I don't expect him to fight but I still like him and what they did with him in EG.
So do most of the really majorly powerful characters. It's probably what let him survive actually doing the snap in the first place, but it not being enough to heal damage caused by all 6 infinity stones seems fine to me.
I mean, this is all make believe and they can work with the fiction however they like and make it so that it is more believable that Hawkeye values his bow and arrow like that. The "soul for a soul" thing could have easily just been Red Skull being literal and not figurative. This is fiction. There's no reason they can't write it in well if they wanted to.
Nah, the sexiest scene was Rogers admiring his own butt. "That is America's ass" was the best line ever.
Shouldn't be too much of a problem. In their own movies, the Guardians have fought Ronan with the Power Gem and Ego the Living Planet. If anything Thor tagging along means, for once, they'll actually have a fair chance against whatever bonkers enemy they go up against next.
If it's Adam Warlock and Beta Ray Bill, maybe Thor fights Bill and loses because he's still out of shape and it pushes him to have a Rocky-style montage to get back into shape. Then after he defeats Adam Warlock, he passes Stormbreaker onto Bill because he realises he doesn't need it any more.
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That's how I felt coming in to Endgame, I was expecting Captain Marvel to be a presence throughout the whole film due to the hype she had received. She was definitely pivotal to the plot and did things but I expected far more screen time than she received. To be fair though they were clearly trying to tell a story focused around the original Avengers as it was the end of their arch, so it makes sense.
It's not like he has a healing factor.
Big deal, give Hulk a giant metal arm
Why were the whales there though? Was it because their regular food supply was gone and they were looking for more food? ;)
Could have been a whole movie about getting the stones back. My brother and I thought it was pretty annoying how they just glossed over it all
Exactly, now there are infinite timelines because of time travel, why so my emphasis on one of the timelines?