Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT| Let's go get this son of a bitch

[GreenMamba]

So I was thinking how odd it was that Sharon Carter was set up to be Cap's love interest in The Winter Solder and Civil War and then she's completely forgotten about in Infinity War, but with how they set up Cap being married to Peggy Carter maybe they want to make us forget that Cap made out with someone who is sorta technically his niece.

Poor Sharon Carter.

 

[Nooblet]

Man if your Time Travel is being compared to Dragon Ball, you fucked up lol.

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Except it isn't because even if time travel was somehow possi "Dragon Ball time travel" would be the only way Quantum mechanics would describe it i.e. parallel realities.

Basically there are only two ways time travel stories are done, first being done via grandfather paradox (one timeline, change past change the future i.e. BTTF, Hot Tub Time machine, pretty much most medias as the characters say in Endgame) or many worlds interpretation (Dragon Ball).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

 

[absolutbro]

Gamorra has been having doubts and dealing with humans since Gardians 1.
Here in this time-line she has no idea who they are, yet still decided to side with them the minute she met them.

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She sides with them because of Nebula, her sister. Seeing the complete difference between her Nebula and post GotG 2 Nebula I'm sure has its impact.

 

[Deleted member 16657]

It is Dragon Ball Z time travel. Trunks goes to past, everyone survives (creating a new future timeline), and when he goes back everyone is still dead in his time line.

So the Avengers go back, they mess with stuff but it doesn't change their timeline.

There is potential for a few alternate timelines due to actual big changes.
-Thanos missing so Infinity War never happens
-Loki teleporting away so it changes the events going forward.
-Removing the Reality Stone goo early so things change in Thor2

But none of these will affect the main timeline because they are branches. Or until Avenger 20 where tings from those timelines jump over and mess with the main timeline.

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The absolute biggest problem right now is that all of this makes sense except Old Man Cap. How does he come back without being on the teleporter pad

 

[Shadownet]

how much money did Vin Diesel make for this film lol, like one line and probably a previous recorded one

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Vin Diesel actually recorded hundred of variation of "I Am Groot" even in other languages for international releases. So for him it wasn't one day at the recording studio and he was done.

 

[Dalek]

Anime fans think everything is related to anime.

 

[DeltaRed]

1) Dementia

Or

2) Endgame Cap told her to play along because if she told him, things could go bad with the timeline

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Pretty poor taste to use alzheimer's or dementia to try and dismiss a plothole.

Also would love to see Steve telling Peggy he could never meet her niece because they had a thing in the future.

 

[Dan]

So I was thinking how odd it was that Sharon Carter was set up to be Cap's love interest in The Winter Solder and Civil War and then she's completely forgotten about in Infinity War, but with how they set up Cap being married to Peggy Carter maybe they want to make us forget that Cap made out with someone who is sorta technically his niece.

Poor Sharon Carter.

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The timelines where Cap is married to Peggy, and where Cap kisses Sharon are separate. What you suggest could have never happened.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I'm not searching through 200 pages, but I see folks are fighting over the Cap time travel thing, yet nobody seems to be mentioning that the evens with Loki have changed now right? Or is it simply there's another timeline now where Loki never died?

 

[Visanideth]

Wait, did Cap factually kill Sharon by marrying Peggy?

 

[durrrklin]

Solution to the Steve Rogers timeline theory.


MCU is an altered timeline.

The original MCU timeline Peggy never got married.... but we never see that because Cap goes back and marries her.... thus creating the MCU timeline where she's married. Thus why we never see her husband, she doesn't have pictures of him, only pictures of Steve.

Thank you.

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[Empyrean Cocytus]

What happened in IW:

Nebula: They went to Vormir, he came back with the stone, she didn't

What some people think happened:

Nebula: They went to Vormir, he came back with the stone, she didn't
Starlord: But why?
Luis: Ok ok, So I went to Vormir with my cousin Ignacio right, and we found this guy right, and his face was red, like tomato red, but Ignacio said no, it is more like velvet red, and the tomato red guy is you are wrong, is blood red...
Nebula: Luis stop, tell them about the sacrifice
Luis: Yeha yeah, the sacrifice

And so on

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I would have loved a Luis cameo in this movie. It would be completely sequence-breaking and make zero sense, but dammit, it would have been GREAT.

 

[Flaurehn]

Wait, did Cap factually kill Sharon by marrying Peggy?

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Sharon is Peggy's niece, not daughter

 

[Donos]

Gamorra has been having doubts and dealing with humans since Gardians 1.
Here in this time-line she has no idea who they are, yet still decided to side with them the minute she met them.

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She hears that Thanos killed half the galaxy with the I-Stones in another timeline... if that isn't enough....

 

[H-I-M]

She sides with them because of Nebula, her sister. Seeing the complete difference between her Nebula and post GotG 2 Nebula I'm sure has its impact.

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A Nebula that has been living with humans and is time traveling.
Nothing suspicious at all.
Let's blindly trust her, it's not like she's known to be conniving.

 

[Deleted member 4093]

Funny how nobody ever says it's forced when a heap of men team up.

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Right. Makes no sense.

I could've sworn the old me from years ago would see this and think the same thing its cliche but its fine. People need to learn that everybody likes and appreciates to be represented and put in those positions.

 

[Kin5290]

Can we talk for a minute about the whole Gamorra betraying everything she stands for, her family, her people, to join the 'good guys'?

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Given that in 2014 around when GOTG1 begins Gamora was already actively planning to betray Thanos and would pull the trigger about 30 minutes after that Peter Quill intro scene what's your point?

A Nebula that has been living with humans and is time traveling.
Nothing suspicious at all.
Let's blindly trust her, it's not like she's known to be conniving.

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Again, at that point in time Gamora was already actively planning to betray Thanos. She wasn't cool with all the butchery. Securing the Power Stone was her exit strategy, which leads to the plot of GOTG1 and her meeting the Guardians.

 

[Deleted member 8674]

So is Fat Thor going to be in the next guardians movie?

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He's Thor. He'll get back in shape in days.

 

[Visanideth]

The timelines where Cap is married to Peggy, and where Cap kisses Sharon are separate.

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Maybe I got this wrong, but I think the Ancient One's speech was meant to tell us that you only get separated timelines when you take a stone out of the continuum.

When Cap goes back to bring all the stones where they were gotten, he unifies the timelines again.

 

[Lord Vatek]

The absolute biggest problem right now is that all of this makes sense except Old Man Cap. How does he come back without being on the teleporter pad

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Think about it this way:

Timeline A: MCU events happen offscreen. Steve travels back in time to marry Peggy in Timeline B.

Timeline B: The movies. We see all of these events and Steve travels back in time to marry Peggy in Timeline C. Old Steve is here.

Timeline C: Seen at the end of the movie.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

imagine being Strange and holding it in that Tony was the one that had to sacrifice himself

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He did explicitly tell Tony in Infinity war that if it meant protecting the time stone/universe, he would absolutely sacrifice Tony or Peter. Tony just didn't realise he was doing exactly that.

 

[Deleted member 35598]

I saw the movie today and I will give it a 7/10. That's a good movie. But I think the Russo's tried to do too much and it affected the movie overall quality. But it was very enjoyable thanks in part to a great ending.

The main movie problem is the pace which is terrible. The start of the movie is slow and boring. Then so many things happen in the middle, but there are too many of them ongoing at the same time. I won't be surprised there is like 1 hour extra content that will be available when the movie lands on Disney+. I feel like some parts in the middle of the movie were rushed.

I also don't like that some characters like Antman get so much exposure when others do not. But I guess it's expected with so many characters. Still I think they could have done a better job ( as in Civil War or Infinity War ). There is also the new style and personalities of Thor and Hulk. Not a fan personally.

The great thing was the ending much better than I expected. I understand and I agree with the parallels with the Return of the King.

I still feel that "Captain America : the Winter Soldier" remains the best Marvel movie to this day.

 

[MajesticSoup]

In the end scene in front of the cabin who was that kid the camera panned to right before captain marvel and nick fury?

 

[sappyday]

why was Carol standing alone at the funeral :(

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Cause she's like the only there who didn't really have a connection with anyone. Her only connection to Tony is her saving him but besides that she doesn't really try to be friends with anyone. But you gotta have everyone there for that last shot so having her in the back with Fury is what makes the most sense.

 

[Donos]

Or is it simply there's another timeline now where Loki never died?

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Main timeline doesn't get changed by going back.

 

[Ithil]

Wait, did Cap factually kill Sharon by marrying Peggy?

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Not how time travel in the MCU works, and what's more Sharon is her niece, not a blood relative of Cap's.

 

[donkey]

Glad Wong was able to stay safe after all those years, lol. Super fun movie.

Did Scott Rudd play old Ant-Man?

How did they make Thor look so fat? Did Hemmesworth actually gain a ton of weight? Is it CG? Prosthetics?

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I think they had a different actor according to the credits.

 

[durrrklin]

The absolute biggest problem right now is that all of this makes sense except Old Man Cap. How does he come back without being on the teleporter pad

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Like others and I are choosing to believe is that we had an alternate timeline the whole time. Old Cap was in the MCU the whole time living his life with Peggy.

 

[Kevers]

In the end scene in front of the cabin who was that kid the camera panned to right before captain marvel and nick fury?

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Kid from IM3

 

[Dan]

Maybe I got this wrong, but I think the Ancient One's speech was meant to tell us that you only get separated timelines when you take a stone out of the continuum.

When Cap goes back to bring all the stones where they were gotten, he unifies the timelines again.

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Yes, but he marries Peggy in the timeline he decides to stay in. And not the one where he kisses Sharon.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Wait, did Cap factually kill Sharon by marrying Peggy?

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No, because the likely intention is that Cap always married Peggy. She just couldn't/didn't tell younger present cap because older cap explicitly explained it to her what had happened (he would have to explain why he's older and not dead under the ocean, for a start) and that telling younger cap would screw up the timeline

 

[Seesaw15]

So I was thinking how odd it was that Sharon Carter was set up to be Cap's love interest in The Winter Solder and Civil War and then she's completely forgotten about in Infinity War, but with how they set up Cap being married to Peggy Carter maybe they want to make us forget that Cap made out with someone who is sorta technically his niece.

Poor Sharon Carter.

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If there is one major failing of the the MCU is that Cap really needed another stand alone movie inbetween Civil War and Infinity War. His relationships with Sam,Bucky and Sharon seemed really rushed/under developed towards the end

 

[Deleted member 8674]

In the end scene in front of the cabin who was that kid the camera panned to right before captain marvel and nick fury?

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The kid from Iron Man 3.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Pretty poor taste to use alzheimer's or dementia to try and dismiss a plothole.

Also would love to see Steve telling Peggy he could never meet her niece because they had a thing in the future.

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I prefer #2 myself

 

[excelsiorlef]

Wait, did Cap factually kill Sharon by marrying Peggy?

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Niece dude so no

 

[Deleted member 16657]

Like others and I are choosing to believe is that we had an alternate timeline the whole time. Old Cap was in the MCU the whole time living his life with Peggy.

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Think about it this way:

Timeline A: MCU events happen offscreen. Steve travels back in time to marry Peggy in Timeline B.

Timeline B: The movies. We see all of these events and Steve travels back in time to marry Peggy in Timeline C. Old Steve is here.

Timeline C: Seen at the end of the movie.

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Holy shit

it makes sense

 

[Flaurehn]

I would have loved a Luis cameo in this movie. It would be completely sequence-breaking and make zero sense, but dammit, it would have been GREAT.

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He was in spirit through the van! But yeah, he should be there in costume, not even a full powered suit, only one with minimal powers, or maybe even just a suit, with no powers

 

[Visanideth]

The absolute biggest problem right now is that all of this makes sense except Old Man Cap. How does he come back without being on the teleporter pad

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He just walks on the spot on the day he knows Tony's funeral will be held.

I don't think we're meant to assume he time traveled. He just goes there in 2024 (when he's like, 85 or so? He's about 20-25 when he gets defrosted, about 30-35 during Engame, he goes back to 1970, 54 years to 2024) by... walking. He's the same Cap who's been living with Peggy since the 70s.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Main timeline doesn't get changed by going back.

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so in the universe right now we had one loki that died, and there was a second one alive somewhere else?

 

[IcyInferno]

It is Dragon Ball Z time travel. Trunks goes to past, everyone survives (creating a new future timeline), and when he goes back everyone is still dead in his time line.

So the Avengers go back, they mess with stuff but it doesn't change their timeline.

There is potential for a few alternate timelines due to actual big changes.
-Thanos missing so Infinity War never happens
-Loki teleporting away so it changes the events going forward.
-Removing the Reality Stone goo early so things change in Thor2

But none of these will affect the main timeline because they are branches. Or until Avenger 20 where tings from those timelines jump over and mess with the main timeline.

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Maybe doctor strange 2 could deal with some of these and especially if sling rings can be used to travel to parallel universes.

Mordo: "Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. Unstable dimensional openings. Spatial paradoxes! Time loops! You wanna get stuck reliving the same moment over and over forever or never having existed at all?"

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Maybe I got this wrong, but I think the Ancient One's speech was meant to tell us that you only get separated timelines when you take a stone out of the continuum.

When Cap goes back to bring all the stones where they were gotten, he unifies the timelines again.

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This wouldn't work with Loki peacing out with the Tesseract though.

 

[Deleted member 2793]

No, because the likeliest intention is that Cap always married Peggy. She just couldn't tell younger present cap because older cap explicitly explained it to her what had happened (he would have to explain why he's older and not dead under the ocean, for a start)

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THIS.

I don't understand how people can't get it. He literally hides from Sam who he married, never teleports back to Banner's machine (meaning he lived in the MCU timeline to be there) and when we see Peggy's office in the 70's the only picture in her desk is from Steve. That's what is being implied, nothing in the past "changed".

 

[Deleted member 35598]

In the end scene in front of the cabin who was that kid the camera panned to right before captain marvel and nick fury?

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It seems it was the kid from Ironman 3. Not sure, but I heard it was in that scene.

 

[Visanideth]

No, because the likely intention is that Cap always married Peggy. She just couldn't/didn't tell younger present cap because older cap explicitly explained it to her what had happened (he would have to explain why he's older and not dead under the ocean, for a start) and that telling younger cap would screw up the timeline

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Wouldn't then Peggy know she's kissing her uncle?

 

[excelsiorlef]

THIS.

I don't understand how people can't get it. He literally hides from Sam who he married, never teleports back to Banner's machine (meaning he lived in the MCU timeline to be there) and when we see Peggy's office in the 70's the only picture in her desk is from Steve. That's what is being implied, nothing in the past "changed".

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Yep

 

[durrrklin]

My only question is who was future Nebula contacting? Before she go caught by Thanos.

 

[Soupman Prime]

This has probably been brought up a hundred times but does anyone think the earthquake under water has anything to do with Namor?

Surprised there was no mention of the Nova Corps either.

 

[BossAttack]

It's not. He went to a different timeline and when Peggy passed away he returned to the main timeline.

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How exactly would he do that?

 

[CrichtonKicks]

The implication is that the MCU timeline always had a 2nd Steve as Peggy's husband, so he basically changes nothing.

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No way- Sharon would know who Peggy's husband is which makes TWS and CW super icky. The only way it works is that he married Peggy in an alternate timeline then came back to the main timeline to hand off the shield to Sam.

 

[Neece]

I forgot where I heard or read it (perhaps Joanna Robinson's review?) but I recall someone saying that Rhodey and Carol might have a thing going on, or at least this film potentially plants the seeds for that down the line. I had my rewatch this morning and I did see Carol give him a long look and say "take care" or something like that during the pb&j sandwich scene. Is this something that happens in the comics?