Was looking forward to this. He's right it is very funny. A lot more of the jokes worked in this. Can't remember a taserface
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Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT| Let's go get this son of a bitch
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Was looking forward to this. He's right it is very funny. A lot more of the jokes worked in this. Can't remember a taserface
Because he was one of the original members of the Ultimates version and the MCU was largely based on that version (minus Pym).
There's a difference.
A timeline can be "changed" in 2 ways.
1. A stone is removed from the timeline - This creates a branch
2. Some events change - Timeline is changed but one timeline still exists (Loki taking the Space Stone and escaping) But they only change in relation that they're different to the main timeline. For that timeline these events are just how it happened.
"Time Travel" as the movie calls it isn't exactly time travel. It's more so shifting to alternate realities. When they went to the Battle of New York, that was another whole reality where those events were just happening.
What contrived reason are they going to have in future now that everything can be solved with time travel and any major universal threat could be wiped out by the exact same plot?
"Tony encrypted the secret and threw it in a lake? There was never any record of where the stones were so we can't go back and do it again? We signed the Infinity accords so ehhhh?"
As far as MacGuffins go, time travel is pretty much the endgame hur hur.
"Tony encrypted the secret and threw it in a lake? There was never any record of where the stones were so we can't go back and do it again? We signed the Infinity accords so ehhhh?"
As far as MacGuffins go, time travel is pretty much the endgame hur hur.
To be fair, Doctor Strange is seen manipulating individual objects and people in his solo movie. He pulls out people from the time-stream in the third act in Hong Kong one by one. He rewinds the state of the eaten apple in the library. Following that logic, he should be able to manipulate the state of Tony Stark without affecting anything else.
It was a good movie, but it felt like every bit of those 3 hours. I might see it again, before it leaves theater, but I might take a nap somewhere in the middle.
Theory 1 doesn't work because the movie says that not how it works.
Theory 2 is literally how the movie says it works.
Thanos took out their route into the getting the infinity stones out of the battlefield right then and there, dude. It became a desperate struggle just to STOP him from using the stones and closing his fists. In that singular moment there was only one person who was close enough and had the means to get to Thanos, and that was Iron Man.
Also Cap earned a break multiple times over. He made big sacrifice plays throughout his career and had put in his time. He deserved to be happy outside of the battlefield. Also how is Sharon Carter's existence related to this?
That doesn't make any sense at all. BTTF is the opposite, a single timeline where interference inherently affects the future. Endgame expressly says the EXACT opposite.
Would have loved to see the encounter between Red Skull and Cap.
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She said that removing the stone branches the timeline
She didn't say that was the only thing that branches it
Well then...
Correct me if this is wrong:
1. 2024 Cap goes back to 1950.
2. At that time, OG Capsicle is frozen and stays frozen the entire time 2024 Cap is there living out his dream life with Peggy Carter. There are TWO Steve Rogers at this point; a frozen one and the one that time-traveled from 2024. Both would have been close enough in age that nobody would probably tell the difference, assuming he did pull off a switcheroo.
3. 2024 Cap leaves 1950's Peggy 70 years later to return to 2024 and sits on a bench, wrinkled and gray and frail, with a shield, which since it's 2024 when he left the branched timeline as well, he could have gotten from either Howard Stark, Tony Stark or Wakanda or maybe even just made a new one himself for giggles. He had 70 years, afterall, to do a lot of stuff.
--Makes you wonder - what was the fate of OG Capsicle? Was he ever found and rescued? 2024 Cap seems to have been there beyond the point that OG Capsicle was rescued in the current timeline. Does he prevent Capsicle from being found and just leaves him for dead the whole time while he lives out the life that he would have lived had he not been frozen??
There are of course a million other questions relating to Steve Rogers and the whole Marvel universe now, in that branched timeline. Like, do the Avengers even exist there? Did Steve Rogers continue to be Captain America Superhero when he was there all those years schmoozing peggy Carter? Does he fight Thanos AGAIN in that branch?
There is so much stuff to think about. But I'm mostly wondering what happens with OG Capsicle in the branched timeline.
Ehhh... taking a black character and making her white really wouldn't go over very well. If they do anything with Tony's daughter it'd probably be a completely new character and not Ironheart.
Ancient One mentions if the stones are returned, the branching timelines (from removing the stones) ceases to exist, thus are closed off.
RDJ is getting old, Evans wants out to move on with his career.
Sure, they could have found a way to keep these characters alive, but that was not the point - the point was giving them an awesome farewell, a finality.
Mission accomplished.
nit-picking plot points of a series of films about fantastical bullshit scenarios full of fantastical impossible people and things must be a fun pastime. ;p
Honestly, picturing all this, I want a show or even just a one shot that's the adventures of Steve Rogers returning all the stones.
I expect some bad shit will happen because they fucked with time and that will be the deterrent in doing it again.
I think the only other two people who may have survived it were Captain Marvel and Thor, but they likely would have been fucked up. As Hulk explains, he only survived because the radiation is similar to the kind he's made from.
And it's poetic it's Tony who does it. He started the whole MCU, and he's ending it. Sure he has everything to lose, but that's self sacrifice for you. Ultimately it's his technology and his gauntlet. Tony being the one to use it was fitting.
Yeah I felt the same way, if anyone felt Cap got sidelined in Infinity War he shined quite bright here in Endgame. Those moments he had at the end, the shot of him vs Thanos' army, the 'assemble' line. Steve led so much of this movie and I loved it.
Just the Marvel logo with the sound of Tony hammering from IM1.
Scott Lang didn't know, I don't think. He was operating on a 'You could become your own grandfather' theory of time travel, but Bruce was explaining that time would splinter when changes were made.
Bruce's theory explains returning the Infinity Stones and Mjolnir but I'm not sure how it explains Old Steve. Returning to the present time seems to require going through a doorway, so did he approach the Avengers in that alternate time and ask them to send him, as an old man, to the point he left?
Hank Pym is the biggest jerk in the universe. He won't trust anyone with Pym particles, so no one else will have access to the quantum realm.
Also, Ant-Man 3 may deal a bit with it as it seems like quantum realm stuff will be a focus in it as they teased the microverse in Ant-Man and the Wasp.
I mean it was a CG Orgy but it was a good pay off with the initial charge with everyone together.
None of them were close enough and Tony built the Gauntlet those he was able to swipe the Stones off of Thanos.
The realistic explanation is the obvious fact that the MCU started with RDJ/Stark and this Phase needed to end with him.
The hydra moment was kind of ruined for me in my screening, because I was distracted by a couple who entered the theater, sat down for a few minutes, looked confused, then walked out. Imagine getting that moment of the movie spoiled for you because you were too dumb to enter the correct screening room.
No, but
just a little bit of nostalgic audio. There's no set up stinger ending at all.
I'm gonna assume the machine was destroyed alongside the Avengers facility.
Cool, I half remembered someone saying don't bother staying but couldn't hang about, had to head home.
If anything they'll probably do this as a short cartoon or comic or something like that.
They introduced Stark's daughter in this movie. He had a conversation with his father about how his father was apprehensive about the greater good always beating out his personal happiness. It would been a good send-off to have him retire somewhere to live out his days maybe as a mentor. Thor managed to become completely disassociated with all super-hero related events for 5 years I'm sure Tony could pull it off as well.
As soon as the Morgan was introduced I knew it was going to end poorly though.
- why give the shield to falcon instead of bucky? Bucky is way more buff for action scenes than falcon
- is Loki still alive since he too the Tesserac ? Since there is a disney show with him
- i like good and comprehensive time travel story. I didn't expect endgame to not have plothole so my expectation was pretty low in term of logistic so im still happy with what we got
- is Loki still alive since he too the Tesserac ? Since there is a disney show with him
- i like good and comprehensive time travel story. I didn't expect endgame to not have plothole so my expectation was pretty low in term of logistic so im still happy with what we got
Two reasons:
Manipulating the past can cause dangerous side effects. Just because this film didn't cover all of the possible branches of how other realities were altered based off of what Avengers did does not mean other realities won't spin into chaos from major event changes caused by Endgame (like Loki escaping).
Other reason: Villains such as Kang exist, which can easily be brought into the universe now that they have the rights back. Time manipulation wouldn't do much to him.
As Mordo said (when talking about messing with time): "The cheque always comes due".
I.e. messing with time is going to create a greater villain and greater problems and it comes with a steep cost.
Should have gone to 1945, taken zola and have him throw down red skull
Hopefully they go this route, even though it was a direct reason for past Thano's invasions, it can also allude to the saga beyond Thanos with the "mess with time, it messes back" line.
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