Because it wasn't just Wong and the sorcerers quickly pushing people through portals. It was literally everyone from the mcu. Everyone that's been gone for 5 years along with everyone that's been around. Everyone geared up and ready to go. No time for joyous hugs that their loved ones returned. No time to strategize. No time for talk. The writers just needed everyone there. And while I still quite loved the scene and Caps line, it's entirely poorly orchestrated and my suspension of disbelief was shattered. I would've liked far more time in between the Hulk snap and the final show down. The surprise that everyone's here to back up Cap was beautiful. But I would've absolutely written it differently. Personally I would've just had the dusted team that was on Titan make their return at that moment. Not every single person ever.
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Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT| Let's go get this son of a bitch
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Because it wasn't just Wong and the sorcerers quickly pushing people through portals. It was literally everyone from the mcu. Everyone that's been gone for 5 years along with everyone that's been around. Everyone geared up and ready to go. No time for joyous hugs that their loved ones returned. No time to strategize. No time for talk. The writers just needed everyone there. And while I still quite loved the scene and Caps line, it's entirely poorly orchestrated and my suspension of disbelief was shattered. I would've liked far more time in between the Hulk snap and the final show down. The surprise that everyone's here to back up Cap was beautiful. But I would've absolutely written it differently. Personally I would've just had the dusted team that was on Titan make their return at that moment. Not every single person ever.
Thinking about it more and Carol is such a loose cannon that doesn't follow orders it was probably best they didn't bring her into the time heist.
I was responding to your first question about Cap and Peggy, not your second one. As far as the second question, only the snap victims came back, noone else.
I want to rewatch the part where Tony look surprised when Howard tells him his wife is pregnant. I found that weird.
Much better than Infinity War. Doesn't graze the fight on Titan. "Make love, not war." Avengers, excelsior. Hubba hubba, good night.
I didn't ask a question about cap and peggy... you're confusing me with someone else.
But he really goes back in time until 1945? We dont know that either. We dont know when Peggy married also. We dont know in what year Peggy recorded that tape we saw in Winter Soldier when she said "Steve Rogers saved a bunch of people, included the one that became my husband"
The movie closed the more important circle of the franchise, but left open a lot, a lot of secondary circles lmao.
The movie closed the more important circle of the franchise, but left open a lot, a lot of secondary circles lmao.
Saw it last night. Fantastic movie! It seems like an impossible task to close out such a stretch of films and have it feel satisfying but they did it. It's an exhausting film but that's exactly what I wanted an expected. It's also very interesting where they go next because undoubtedly things that happened in this movie will have far reaching ramifications. The Infinity Saga was something else. I don't know how they top this but I'm excited to see them try.
This is peak nitpicking yourself into feeling negative.
And I'm glad you weren't the writer on this movie.
Sadly no, just Fury.
Kid from Iron-Man 3 was there, all grown up lol
I think its implied Steve had already told Bucky of his plan to not come back immediately and probably about passing on the mantle. Bucky seemed like the only one aware Steve wasnt coming back and he prompted Sam to go and speak to the guy on the bench. Basically I think Cap and Bucky had already agreed it would go to Sam.
I enjoy things that make a lot more logical sense. If you can't enjoy that sort of thing then so be it.
Or...
Everyone was in battle mode the moment they got snapped, so they re-appeared in that same state. They also understand super hero shit being super heroes, so a quick portal appearing and a few minutes of "this is what happened, we need you now, we can process it after!" would be all they needed.
Honestly, I do feel like most of these "messy" elements are just standard fare for the franchise, and they're just more apparent here because there are more per minute due to so much happening.
Like... all of these things fit into the established super fantastic world.
Nah, the movie didn't take it too far at all. 50% of humanity being deleted would be a huge, cataclysmic event that would pretty much put the world to a standstill. The movie did a good job portraying that. I was actually pleasently surprised by how destructive Thanos' snap was shown to be, I was mildly afraid that they wouldn't.
I think after a couple of years Cap and Peggy break up, leaving Cap to bounce around for the next few decades making super babies which turn into the mutant race.
I'm sorry did you just accuse me not enjoying logic because I said you nitpicked a comic book movie to the point where you got mad that all the heroes showed up at the end?
Probably he tought Sam's ass is more fitting for the title than bucky's
Now serious: Bucky had a really though life. Just now his mind is "cured" thanks to wakandan tech, so giving him the burden of being the new captain america probably was too much for broken bucky.
Also, Bucky admires steve the man, Sam idolizes Captain America the soldier, so he is more fitting for the role.
And also this.
Would love that too be the case since time didn't seem to pass for those dusted. But the ones who didn't were ready to go too. It just didn't work for me and took me out of the moment unfortunately.
The movies are never going to acknowledge Coulson's survival in AoS. It's silly to assume Endgame would change that.
I'm saying I didn't like the way the writers wrote the story here. Not mad at anything and I still liked the movie enough for it to make me smile.
Loved it so much. Theres so many wonderful moments throughout. Girl power moment, Banner Hulk reveal, fat Thor just being awesome, Cap grabbing the hammer and having an AMAZING fighting style with that and his shield, the portals showing up and Black Panther walks out, the gauntlet relay through the battle field, there's just so much!
Then the emotional moments, pretty much anything with Morgan but especially when she was sitting with Happy, 😢, old man Cap reveal, Peter and Tony reuniting and hugging, and then when Peter finds him after 😢
I'm ready for the next Guardians/Thor movie! We are going again Sunday afternoon and I'm so excited.
Then the emotional moments, pretty much anything with Morgan but especially when she was sitting with Happy, 😢, old man Cap reveal, Peter and Tony reuniting and hugging, and then when Peter finds him after 😢
I'm ready for the next Guardians/Thor movie! We are going again Sunday afternoon and I'm so excited.
The scene between Tony and his dad gets surprisingly little recognition. I would have hated it if it didn't come after 20 movies but it did work in this context.
There was more than enough time for all that to happen via super hero shit in the time between the snap returning and them appearing on the battlefield. We've seen far more fantastic things multiple times throughout the franchise than some expert portal management and quick rallying of heroes.
Because you're nitpicking to the nth degree.... Literally you proposed solution was "not have everyone show up"
It's not even that hard to understand.
Strange put this entire thing into play the moment he saw the path and gave up the time stone.He knew he was coming back, he saw it all... He comes back bam, everything goes into motion.... It's not rocket science.
Removing the stone isn't the same as destroying. Stones are cosmic energy created out of big bang, their destruction means they can't be used but their energy still exists in the universe cause entropy. Removing it entirely means that energy doesn't exist anymore and would cause an understandable divergence in timeline.
He couldn't be at the funeral, cause he's dead. He didn't take the Centipede serum that could have fixed him, and instead he lived out his remaining days before the deal he made with Ghost Rider ended him in 2018.
Because Captain America needs charisma, and Sebastian Stan is the personification of a wet sponge.
I wonder how much of a leap of faith it was for Strange. You have to assume that a lot of those 14 million futures he saw had Tony living and the dusting occur but them still losing.
He saw it all and never shared that information with anyone else. You accuse me of belittling you yet here you are saying it's not rocket science when I can say the same to you.
It's ok if I didn't like the thing you did.
Where's the idea of the Ancient One doubting Strange coming from? The only reason she even gave the stone to Banner, was because he told her Strange knew it was the only way forward. If anything, it shows she trusts him.
Yup. And I think Cap knew he couldn't pass the mantle to someone responsible for so many assassinations close to the team, regardless of the Hydra brainwashing. His rescue and deprogramming of the Winter Soldier was only tolerated by the Avengers, they weren't exactly huge fans of it.
Oh sorry, I mistook you for the original post. I went back and looked at your post, and I have to ask which snap you mean. None of the snaps altered the timeline. The snap that brought back the snap victims didn't change the past, just restored the snapped.
He saw it all though.
He knew Tony was going to die.
That's why he gives him the 1 sign at the end.
Yes but he saw possible futures. If anything when he gives him the 1 sign it could indicate that it's finally the time he knows that this is that future.
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Yes?
He didn't
That's exactly correct.... because he literally says if he tells anyone the path he saw doesn't happen.
Tony outright asks him to tell him what will happen and he says if I tell you it won't happen.
That super hero comic book magic is exactly why I was able to gloss over it all and still enjoy the final battle. However, I still really wanted more screen time with certain characters. One good rocket groot dual attack would've been awesome. Or a Cap Bucky special move.
It's that or everyone loses anyway, was there even a choice?
The only reality where Strange gives up the time stone willingly was the one where they win, that's the only reason he does it.
Strange knew, he always knew. He couldn't speak of it or it wouldn't happen.
Oh yeah definitely. I guess leap of faith was the wrong choice of words but doing what he did, he still didnt know that his was the one future where they win, just that it was their only chance.
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