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Beer Monkey

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Oct 30, 2017
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Me: explaining to friends about Steve wielding Mjolnir as fanservice and comics canon.

Also Me: Going to a ComiCon panel and asking the Russos "Did Steve Rogers rail Peggy's niece after Winter Soldier?"
 

Lonestar

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Oct 25, 2017
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RDJ definitely got the most claps during the credits.
Those credits got me. Just nicely done, as it feels like almost all of them are "done" Probably get Thor again, maybe Nat but in a prequel sense, and I'm not completely sure on Prof. Hulk. Barton seems as done as Cap and Tony are.


I'll add there was a decent pop in the crowd when Giant Man punched the flying Chitari worm thing. Biggest pop was either the Cap Hammer scene, or Fat Thor.
 

aerozombie

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Oct 25, 2017
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Great freaking final battle, great send off for Stark (and character moments for him through out like with his father), and the timey wimey never went full groan.

I really hope going forward they make Black Panther the leader of the Avengers. Of the current heroes that can lead he probably has the widest market appeal. Even in Civil War he was making traction (even more significant since it's a lessor known hero) and the actor that portrays him is great. Spider-Man probably has the most appeal (as he tends to have), but his character isn't really a leader of heroes.

Couple issues though, some timey wimey stuff was partial groan, and the girl power moment in the final battle was so ridiculously forced it made the other forced moments in the movie look natural.

I really hope we still get a Black Widow movie still, even if it's set pre-Iron Man. Scarlet Johansson can easily front run a movie, and the character is more than compelling enough.
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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I enjoyed Nebula casually dusting her other self with no remorse. It highlights her pragmatic nature and shows that she truly has completely moved on past the person she once was and never wants to be again.

Yes that is really great character development. Very subtle stuff throughout the movie. Her relationship with Tony and with Rhodey were great.

I also gasped when I saw the original Ant-Man helmet in Pym's lab.
 
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i sort of... don't know if i'm super thrilled about where this leaves gamora for gotg3 -- this really steps on the toes of what that series was doing, and honestly, i'd be fine with them pretending the switcheroo never happened
 

OtherWorldly

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Dec 3, 2018
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We're just getting to the real power heroes, fam. Adam Warlock, Marvel, Dr. Strange, Spider-man, Fantastic 4, BP, Dr. Doom...and we're finally about to get some *high-quality* X-Men universe stuff with WETA digital doing the vfx?

We haven't even gotten to the Marvel entree yet.

I don't think you understand the magnitude of this. This was a lighting striking one place or a lightning in a bottle moment from iron man 1 to this. They can try but it's improbable this height of satisfaction will be reached
 

Scrooge McDuck

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Oct 25, 2017
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It creates a new alternate timeline. The Ancient One argued that removing a stone (not a person) could doom the new timeline (and she was specifically referencing the Time Stone as it's used to specifically ward off the dark forces from their reality). Cap literally goes back and injects himself into the past to create a new timeline.
Yes it creates a new alternate timeline. An alternate timeline in which Natasha doesn't exist anymore because she's whisked away to the MCU timeline. You think she'd actually want that? "Who would then take care of my Barton? Who would be sacrificed in my timeline instead of me?"
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some stats for my viewing:

Packed Dolby Digital AMC show.


At first, people seemed confused and unsure of the direction of the film. So was I! It subverts a lot of expectations. They do a lot of things we expected by the end but they take a long, wild, unpredictable detour on the way.

The audience settles in. Jokes are landing better.

Everyone eats up Hulk

Everyone eats up Fat Thor

At least 5 or 6 full applauses. Mostly for big character entrances and, of course, the Hammer.

Many audible gasps

Manly tears next to me

Everyone was pissed that they waited for the Agreed Upon Stinger.

General buzz exiting was positive confusion


Yeah, his friend shoukd be graduating college.
I don't understand how people read the theatre's mind like this.

I was silent through the entire first hour, but I was loving it.
 

Deleted member 10234

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the movie was probably about as good as it could have been with the setup and goal they had (i.e. starting with half the people gone and having to end with most of them back). Time travel will always be a problem if you think about it too much, so it's better to just take it at face value. I much prefer IW, at least for now.

The last hour or so was just pure fanservice, but after 20+ movies that's exactly what it should have been. Loved Captain America picking up the hammer, "Everyone is here!", the dumb group shot with all the female heroes etc. One thing I missed was seeing Hulk smash some more.
Captain Marvel was one of the biggest things that just didn't work at all for me in this movie. She had no chemistry with the other characters and ultimately exists solely as a Deus Ex Machina. Very dissapointing and not at all interested in her future in this franchise. She completely lacks depth once removed from her origin story. Her "win button" powers are so boring and I was really hoping the Russo's would get more from her character than the duo that directed her solo film. Her whole squinty-eyed sarcastic vocal fry affectation lacks charisma.
Not a big fan of how she was handled, only being in her first movie a couple of months ago and then coming in to save everyone at the end after not getting any scenes in the film past the very start (and then again being forgotten after she got punched by Thanos). Like compare this to Thor's arc, him arriving to Wakanda is one my favourite moments in these films because we saw him gradually get stronger over the films and now he was finally at full power. "You guys are so screwed now!"

Hopefully they at least handle her better in the future.
 

Sargerus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Those credits got me. Just nicely done, as it feels like almost all of them are "done" Probably get Thor again, maybe Nat but in a prequel sense, and I'm not completely sure on Prof. Hulk. Barton seems as done as Cap and Tony are.


I'll add there was a decent pop in the crowd when Giant Man punched the flying Chitari worm thing. Biggest pop was either the Cap Hammer scene, or Fat Thor.
Well Thor will either feature in GOTG 3 or Thor 4 (a pitch for it was made). Hawkeye has his Disney+ show coming soon. BW her movie next year. Hulk is the big question, maybe some cameos in other movies.
 

Cross

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Oct 25, 2017
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He went back to return the stones at the point they were taken. If hes in the time where the stones are taken then he wont live through the events of endgame if it's an alt timeline.

Taking stones can not create a new timeline if returning them allows him to somehow wind up in the original. He lives out his life, he doesnt return via time travel to his original dimension, so that means he never left his own timeline.
He would still live in the main MCU timeline, even if theres a timeline where Loki is free and Thanos is dead, cause he can't go there since it's already happened, get it?
 

NTGYK

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The more I think about the plot, the more the time travel fucks with me. I don't like it
 

Shroki

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Those credits got me. Just nicely done, as it feels like almost all of them are "done" Probably get Thor again, maybe Nat but in a prequel sense, and I'm not completely sure on Prof. Hulk. Barton seems as done as Cap and Tony are.


I'll add there was a decent pop in the crowd when Giant Man punched the flying Chitari worm thing. Biggest pop was either the Cap Hammer scene, or Fat Thor.

Think Clint will be in the Widow prequel as they again referenced some big history with those two. Think some de-aging CG will come in play there. We basically know that movie is happening.

Thor in Guardians 3 seems implied. They would have known Gunn's outline for Guardians while writting Endgame. We know Thor 4 has been pitched.

So yeah: Widow prequel, Thor continues, door open on Hulk. Hawkeye seems likely for a Widow prequel. Cap and Tony are done. Others are going to Disney+.

The more I think about the plot, the more the time travel fucks with me. I don't like it

Time travel is always fucky plot-wise, but the Russos are detail oriented and I feel like there is an answer for most big questions.

As a plot device, I don't need to see it in Marvel again beyond some Doctor Strange-level shenangins.
 

Scrooge McDuck

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Oct 25, 2017
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i sort of... don't know if i'm super thrilled about where this leaves gamora for gotg3 -- this really steps on the toes of what that series was doing, and honestly, i'd be fine with them pretending the switcheroo never happened
James Gunn was consulted during the making of IW and Endgame, and he finished the GotG3 script after Endgame has finished shooting. I'm optimistic it'd be fine.
 

HotHamBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I do have to agree with that one poster. I suspected Brie was miscast as cap marvel and after this movie it's confirmed I was waiting for how Russo's handle it and she just doesn't seem to fit the superhero role. This is the opposite of Wonder Woman. The actor for that is terrible but she fit Wonder Woman and here Brie is a terrific actor but she simply didn't fit
Actually, that's a fantastic point of comparison. Gal Gadot is not a fraction of the actor that Larson is but she has so much more going on as Wonder Woman than Larson does with Marvel.

BUT. I also think it may not be her fault, it could just be how this character has been written. Because honestly she's pretty under-baked.

Her whole inclusion to me came off as one big, non-negotiable studio note
 

Chasing

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Oct 26, 2017
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One thing that blows my mind is that time travel tech still exists at the end of this movie. I assumed that whatever shenanigans they had to get up to would end with nobody being able to time travel any more.

Yeah I've no doubt it's something that will be revisited in future movies, but it's still pretty restricted by the rules that there's no point changing the past, and that you need pym particles/the quantum gateway for it. So it's not that accessible, and actually not very useful, unless you need to retrieve a certain mcguffin (i.e. infinity stones) or get lost information.
 

Yasuke

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Oct 25, 2017
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I walked out thinking I could easily walk away from the MCU knowing they can't possibly top that in future.

I mean clearly I won't, but that's the sort of bow the Russos have put on this thing with Endgame.
I know.

Its perfect.

I am glad I got to experience this.
If we measure the film in payoffs alone it was one of the most satisfying experiences of my life.

It's a flawed movie, like all MCU movies, and you could easily pull it apart, but god damn is it an amazing experience.

It's definitely not as tight as IW, but damn do I not care. It's a perfect movie in my eyes regardless.

"And I...am...Iron Man."

I don't get claiming Tony dying ruins his character arc. He's been heading towards death since Avengers. It's the reason Pepper was on and off with him over the years. She knew where this was headed. He was never going to stop and retire. There's always a new threat to face.

He died a hero, as he was destined to, and it was beautiful.
 

Neece

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Oct 27, 2017
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Imagine being brought back from being dusted 40,000 feet in the air because the plane your pilot got dusted in crashed 5 years ago.
Imagine it being your wedding day, you get snapped, then 5 seconds later you're back but you realize it's actually been five years and your wife is actually married to someone else with kids. And she used your life savings and 401k to buy a house with her new family. And your dog died while you were gone.
 

Sargerus

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad Tony is dead because now Spider-Man can move beyond being Iron Man's disciple and become his own thing.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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I enjoyed Nebula casually dusting her other self with no remorse. It highlights her pragmatic nature and shows that she truly has completely moved on past the person she once was and never wants to be again.

Karen Gillen's performance was invaluable to the movie. She was constantly there helping people, and grew attached to Stark in the months they had together. It's crazy how above her performance in GoTG it was. She was this silent, sullen, broken and yet redeemed former villain turned Guardian/Avenger.
 

Lonestar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Imagine being brought back from being dusted 40,000 feet in the air because the plane your pilot got dusted in crashed 5 years ago.
This is also a thing I've been thinking of tonight. Are people coming back in the sky? Space people on Space ships, coming back in the void of space? This person got dusted in a field, which since has been built into a Wahlburgers and that person comes back inside the Wahlburgers.

Spooky shit.
 

FeD

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's no reason to think that when everyone else from that timeline got snapped. Also she has no reason to have left at the end if she was still around considering Nebula is her only real attachment in this future.

They show it. When Thor enters the ship at the end, Quill is already trying to track her before he quickly swipes to the map.
 

NekoFever

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would like to rewatch this in a rowdy American theatre, so many 'please cheer here moments' that UK audiences don't react to
I enjoyed the reaction in my UK cinema. You could hear the gasp when Mjolnir flew into Cap's hand the first time, even over the movie audio.

Imagine being brought back from being dusted 40,000 feet in the air because the plane your pilot got dusted in crashed 5 years ago.
Also the people who died as an indirect result of the snap, like the ones who weren't snapped but were on that plane, are still dead.

They could handwave it by saying Banner brought back everyone safely. No reason why the gauntlet couldn't do that.
 

FeD

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Karen Gillen's performance was invaluable to the movie. She was constantly there helping people, and grew attached to Stark in the months they had together. It's crazy how above her performance in GoTG it was. She was this silent, sullen, broken and yet redeemed former villain turned Guardian/Avenger.

Nebula's arc in all these films is pretty damn crazy in how well it's executed.
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is also a thing I've been thinking of tonight. Are people coming back in the sky? Space people on Space ships, coming back in the void of space? This person got dusted in a field, which since has been built into a Wahlburgers and that person comes back inside the Wahlburgers.

Spooky shit.

What about the people who were dusted while they were banging?
 

Cross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Imagine it being your wedding day, you get snapped, then 5 seconds later you're back but you realize it's actually been five years and your wife is actually married to someone else with kids. And she used your life savings and 401k to buy a house with her new family. And your dog died while you were gone.
Imagine beign snapped while having sex, and coming back naked and alone without knowing what the fuck just happened.
 

DeltaRed

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Cap having a brand new shield for Falcon makes me believe he came from an alternate reality rather than sitting in the main one all this time. That makes more sense to me than Peggy being married to him and no one from Shield or Hydra in 60 years ever thought to look into who she was married to. I mean Hydra killed Howard and his wife and covered things up, they're not oblivious to families. It just opens the question of how he returned without the time travel platform.
 

elLOaSTy

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He would still live in the main MCU timeline, even if theres a timeline where Loki is free and Thanos is dead, cause he can't go there since it's already happened, get it?

No he wouldn't though. The entire implication with the sorcorer supreme is that the stone would be returned to her time.

So if steve goes to her time, gives back the stone, and lives out that history that means he is in the same timeline as the main one, which is also the same one where loki gets away because that happened in the same universe as where the sorcerers stone was taken from.

Cap having a brand new shield for Falcon makes me believe he came from an alternate reality rather than sitting in the main one all this time. That makes more sense to me than Peggy being married to him and no one from Shield or Hydra in 60 years ever thought to look into who she was married to. I mean Hydra killed Howard and his wife and covered things up, they're not oblivious to families. It just opens the question of how he returned without the time travel platform.

Exactly my point, its the only explanation otherwise it creates a paradox. The problem is steve needed the transport machine to come back, so he has to be in the same timeline. So what the fuck.
 

Luke_wal

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel a little bit disappointed. Whereas, having watched IW almost half a dozen times, I think that its pacing is perfect, I thought the whole "revisiting timelines" thing was horribly paced. In particular, Thor's scenes felt so superfluous, overly long, and had little to no impact.

I guess, like others, I'm confused at the timeline shenanigans of Cap ending up in the regular, normal MCU timeline.
 

Lonestar

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Oct 25, 2017
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What about the people who were dusted while they were banging?
Well, the question is, was it one or both of the people involved in the banging? If it was both, what would they possibly think happened? Maybe that the Sex was SO GOOD, they banged themselves 5 years into the future.
 

NTGYK

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I wonder if Old Steve's home life is like a wife/niece taboo porn video on Pornhub.
 

Hayeya

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Biggest chears in my theater were for:

- cap holding mijolnmir, the cinema exploded
- sam calling cap
- the portals opening
- captain marvel entering the stratosphere, what a scene
- cap saying avengers assemble (finally)
- when they showed that rock thing playing fortnite


Biggest shocks:
- black widow dying
- iron man dying
- thanos destroys avengers headquarters
- thanos breaks cap's shield and destroys him
- thanos manhandling cap, thor and ironman alone without even the stones.
- the actors returning (micheal douglas, portman, redford, that witch from dr.strange, the list is huge).
- no after credit scene, everyone waited for nothing.
 

Peru

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Oct 26, 2017
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People now picking on Brie's vocal fry and still folks pretend the absurd scrutiny of CM's portrayal is not about her gender. "Now I think she's miscast" based on her two scenes early in this movie where everyone's dryly talking about tactics, and her action appearances in the climax where there's really no character work at all. If you look deep into your own souls, have you really scrutinized other characters like this?
 
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