I feel the same way. He's always been a step below Hawkeye and that's saying something.
I have a feeling he won't helm one by himself, and instead will have buddy or team-up movies with the likes of Bucky and others.
I feel the same way. He's always been a step below Hawkeye and that's saying something.
My explanation is: he lived his life in an alternative timeline with the time travel suit and when peggy died of old age, he came back to "his" timeline, to pass on the torch.
Since they established that "for us its 5 seconds but for him it's anything else" i think this works?
Yeah, doesn't it go something like if Spider-Man is quipping and mocking you while fighting, you'll be okay. You'll be sore, but okay. But if you're fighting Spider-Man and he's completely silent, you're going to get hurt. Badly.He's the same way in the comics. He has to hold back his punches so that he doesn't kill normal criminals and almost kills Fisk after he went after Aunt May.
Dormammu wasn't trapped at the end of Doctor Strange. Strange locked both of them in a loop to force him into a truce where he promised to give up on invading Stranger's dimension.Since the time stone was destroyed in the current timeline, does that mean Dormammu is free now?
Dormammu wasn't trapped at the end of Doctor Strange. Strange locked both of them in a loop to force him into a truce where he promised to give up on invading Stranger's dimension.
Now that the Time Stone has been destroyed however he might consider to renege on the deal as the deterrent is not there anymore
It's just not in his character not to interfere. Also what's even the point of restoring the stones to the timeline afterwards?
Idk, maybe they'll say that Hydra won or Tony was killed with his parents or something if Cap didn't stay in the past or really didn't interfere.
Like his interference was always a part of history.
These are essentially the rules for time travelling for the MCU. It doesn't matter if Cap went back and stopped 9/11 or Hydra taking over. All he would have done is create alternate timelines where those things don't happen. It doesn't effect "our" MCU timeline.
He knows going back and doing stuff doesn't actually change anything in the main timeline since he's seen what happens. He knows that they win in the end.
Why not?This movie ruined MCU for me. No fucking way Away From Home takes place after this!
I'm not sure if most people know this, but there are generally 3 main time travel/timeline theories that are accepted. I will explain each by example, but here is a premise: You are a person who's grandparents met because of WWII. Lets say your grandfather was a soldier from a country in Europe or America and your grandmother was from a different European country. They meet, fall in love and have a family. Let's say you, their grandchild, have been selected to time travel back in time to kill adolescent Hitler. Here is where the theories come into place.
Fixed Timeline: You successfully kill adolescent Hitler, but a new Hitler figure, regardless of how or explanation, starts the Holocaust and WWII still happens. You still exist because no matter what you do in the past, the future must adhere to it. This is essentially called a closed Time Loop. The future is always the same because you were ALWAYS MEANT to change the past. It means the original Hitler was always killed by you.
Dynamic Timeline: You kill adolescent Hitler, and world does not experience WWII related events. Your Grandparents never meet. You shouldn't exist in the present. If you return to the present, this is what creates a PARADOX, depending on how people interpret it. Either you disappear from existence or you exist but should never have existed at all from this point on.
Alternate Timeline/Multiverse: a slight combination of the above. You kill Hitler in the past, but YOUR timeline does not change, it still happens. The idea is a new timeline is created when past events are altered, hence there is now a new timeline where WWII did not happen and you were never born. You didnt erase the events from your own timeline, you essentially created a new universe.
Avengers Endgame adheres to the Alternate Timeline/Multiverse theory. It is mentioned several times in the film that changing events in the past does not effect the future, only creates new timelines (the characters then proceed to make fun of films like Hot Tub Time Machine and Back to the Future).
The film creates roughly 5 timelines in its 3 hour running time (Granted, Cap puts most things back that change but it does not fix certain things in each):
A timeline where Loki gets away, the Mind stone is taken and the Ancient One gives away the time stone. This also is a timeline where 2012 cap fights himself and knows Bucky is alive. Cap puts back both stones but everything else should be unchanged. A version of Thanos can still snap this universe after.
A timeline where Nebula and Rhodes knock out Quill, preventing him from getting the power stone and probably meeting the Guardians (more on this in a second), and where Natasha dies and the Soul stone is taken. This timeline also has its version of Nebula, Gamora and Thanos plus his armies escape it to come to the main timeline. This timeline is free from any Thanos based threat. Gamora is gone from this timeline, so again, no more Guardians. Thanos cannot snap this universe (He dies at the end)
A timeline where Thor takes Mjolnir and the Reality stone from Jane. Both get put back by Cap, Thanos can snap this universe.
A timeline where Tony and Cap go back even further in time to the 1970s and take the Tesseract. Gets put back by Steve in the end. Thanos can snap this universe.
In all 4 of these instances, a new timeline was created as a result of removing those stones and altering certain events. This does NOT change the main timeline. The snap still happens, and Thanos is dead in the main timeline. Additionally, they return to their own, main timeline after traveling through the quantum realm.
However, the main point of this thread is Cap and the last timeline alteration:
Cap goes back to each of these 4 timelines to return the stones. Whether or not this is a good thing is up to the viewer (it seems it still allows Thanos to snap 3 of these universes), but that's not the point here.
After this, Steve goes back even further in time (1940s/50s) and lives his life with Peggy. This CREATES A NEW, 5TH TIMELINE.
Instead, he does NOT return immediately, and spends decades with her. In this timeline, Cap could easily have stopped Hydra, saved Bucky, saved Howard and Maria, etc, and it STILL would never change the main timeline.
Steve then returns to his own timeline/the main timeline, when he's ready, as an old man.
Reason we know he does this is he goes through the QR WITHOUT his shield. He then comes back with a brand new shield. We can assume its from his alternate timeline.
Yes I understand that Cap didn't return via the platform, however it may have been at an undisclosed point when he did. We just don't know, hopefully the Russo's clear this up.
I mean this exact thing happened in the comics (Steve getting old and giving the shield to Sam) but he was still able to kick ass.
Mostly.
Yes it's essentially them introducing different Earths. Just view the main MCU timeline as Earth 616 and the other timelines that they go to are different "Earths". They could have simplified it a little bit by showcasing it a little like how Spider-Verse handled it.Found this reddit post that explains how the MCU/Endgame timeline works: (tl;dr: it's just the multiverse)
Strange is her appointed successor. She trusted in his judgment is all.So anyone want to clear up the thing with the ancient one?
So after Banner tells her strange willingly gave Thanos the time stone, what did that change for her?
Does she figure out why strange did that, or does this just mean that strange never received the time stone in an alternative timeline?
he is still worthyIs fat Thor unworthy? If so....does that mean we get Jane thor later?!!?!?
Yeah but that new timeline where he interfered is now the timeline he is living in. It's basically how Trunks in Dragon Ball approached time travel. He went back in time to change things knowing it wouldn't do anything to his own present but at least there would be one timeline that is better off.Even if Cap interferes, he can't change the reality he lived through. He'll just create a new one as soon as he attempts to interfere.
If he actually hops between timelines that definitely makes it sound and better.Found this reddit post that explains how the MCU/Endgame timeline works: (tl;dr: it's just the multiverse)
Strange is her appointed successor. She trusted in his judgment is all.
he is still worthy
Found this reddit post that explains how the MCU/Endgame timeline works: (tl;dr: it's just the multiverse)
Maybe I got this wrong but didn't they stay 5 years into the timeline? Did Peter get sent back 5 years?
Yeah he mentioned some satellites to search Thanos but it was dumb given the size of the universe
The first appearance of Captain Marvel is totally a deus-ex machina, that's too bad
Have you actually watched the movie? Sounds like the kind of drive by complaints coming from the people who have just read spoilers. You're wrong btw. Steve met Peggy before he even became Cap, and knew her for years before landing in the ice. It was a different time so they weren't dating, sure, but he loved her. Edit: It's even longer than I thought. He took the serum in 1939, and crashed in the ice in 1945. Six whole years.
Oh and it's entirely possible that Cap did heavily alter his timeline, but somehow returned to the endgame timeline at the end in order to pass the baton.
So anyone want to clear up the thing with the ancient one?
So after Banner tells her strange willingly gave Thanos the time stone, what did that change for her?
Does she figure out why strange did that, or does this just mean that strange never received the time stone in an alternative timeline?
Found this reddit post that explains how the MCU/Endgame timeline works: (tl;dr: it's just the multiverse)
Did you not see the ending where he's reunited with Ned and they're still the same age? It's also pretty apparent the world is pretty much shut down for those 5 years and there's no school or anything.
How's it weird? The movie shows that the world five years later is basically a post-apocalyptic hellhole. Scott runs into a kid who looks like he's going to eat him to survive. 5 billion people turning to dust doesn't make the world go on as normal.
For all we know Ned was dusted. And Peter established that people remember being dusted.
That's what makes it a little weird. I mean I guess we need see how much time has past between the movies. You go from post-apocalyptic to school trips. I don't have a problem with it. I'm just curious how it all flows, also why they went in this direction.
"He is one of us. He is, quote-unquote, a normal person, lives a normal life, with a normal environment, who, you know, got these powers, and who is exposed to these extraordinary things," Feige explained.
"And we loved how the events of Civil War, for as dramatic and intense and politically complex as they were, we loved how Peter dealt with it [in Spider-Man: Homecoming]. And how Peter dealt with it is, he then went and tried to go back to a normal life."
"It's fun to see that, because he can represent, you know, the world as a whole, as they try to move forward," Feige said. "And you can do it in a way that is tonally unique, and tonally different than, certainly, the two Avengers films that people are about to see."
That's what makes it a little weird. I mean I guess we need see how much time has past between the movies. You go from post-apocalyptic to school trips. I don't have a problem with it. I'm just curious how it all flows, also why they went in this direction.
Anyone expecting Infinity War Part II was setting themselves up for failure.
Yeah but that new timeline where he interfered is now the timeline he is living in. It's basically how Trunks in Dragon Ball approached time travel. He went back in time to change things knowing it wouldn't do anything to his own present but at least there would be one timeline that is better off.
How can it be set in the Cold War? She was only a child in the 80s, right?Interested in seeing the Black Widow film... it's set in the cold war, right?
Anyone know what the trumpet piece Cap and Peggy were dancing to was?
Not at all.
I mean, you've only seen one teaser trailer for Far From Home that was VERY CAREFULLY edited as to hide any Endgame spoilers. At least wait a couple of weeks to see the second trailer that's post-Endgame before thinking that.
Also Feige explained why Far From Home is set AFTER Endgame:
https://za.ign.com/kevin-feige/1191...coming-sequel-a-return-to-normal-life-after-a
Yeah but it's not in the movie (Endgame) and nobody on Earth knew Tony/Nebula (and the other vanished like Dr Strange, Quill, etc...) were in Titan (even Rocket and Groot because they were with Thor in Infinity War) and it doesn't explain how Captain Marvel found a lost spaceship after more than 20 days of travel in spaceIn the Cap Marvel stinger Carol presumably learns about Tony. That scene is pre-Endgame
Hmm I see. Also silly Parker when will he learn his life can't be normal. I know MCU is getting a lot new faces going into Phase 4, but I'm always looking forward on how they handle Spidey. He is coming on into his second movie, and I feel like we haven't seen enough of him.
We'll see that at San Diego Comic Con, hope Sony will continue the deal with Marvel StudioReal question: Does Sony keep lending out Spidey to MCU after FFH? Or do they keep him to themselves and attempt to build their Spider-Verse?
Yeah but it's not in the movie (Endgame) and nobody on Earth knew Tony/Nebula (and the other vanished like Dr Strange, Quill, etc...) were in Titan (even Rocket and Groot because they were with Thor in Infinity War) and it doesn't explain how Captain Marvel found a lost spaceship after more than 20 days of travel in space
That's why I said it's a deus-ex machina and it's too bad, usually writers found some tricks but they didn't even try hereI mean all of these movies are built on unbelievable coincidences. People keep invading the Earth at the same location as where the heroes are. Imagine if Moscow and Beijing were the sites of invasions and no Avengers were around. These things just have to be accepted.
We'll see that at San Diego Comic Con, hope Sony will continue the deal with Marvel Studio
So good news !Holland says he has a sixth Marvel (three solo, three team appearances) movie on his contract still. Pascal said when SpiderVerse came out she has nightmares of Spider-Man not being in the MCU. Nothing is changing. Stop listening to FUD people put out there to get rage clicks.
yes, but in the main timeline they have been destroyed by thanosI'm not sure about that. I thought Cap went back to the past to give back each infinity stones to the rightful keeper/ place. In Time Stone case, I believe Cap gave it to the Ancient One.