This. I hate Avatar, but never bet against Cameron. That man knows hot to make money
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Avatar 4 and 5: James Cameron still waiting for go-ahead for filming
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Late 2019 at the earliest.
Hell no.
People have a hard time thinking for themselves. They're incapable of realizing the obvious: Avatar was the movie that caused the 3D explosion, and therefore the amount of 3D screens available while it was actually out in theaters was really small compared to the present.
Sequels have a fickle nature, so banking on four of them before even getting one more just seems like Insanity. Regardless, I suppose, of how these end up performing in America, I bet they'll have the Chinese market wrapped up without a problem.
That's what I'm thinking too, though they'll prob adjust the release schedule so that the Avatar sequels release on alternate years rather than back to back (e.g. Avatar 2 in 2020, Star Wars in 2021, Avatar 3 in 2022, etc.)
i was 17 when titanic came out... 29 when avatar came out... and i'll be 40 when avatar 2 comes out!
i've basically gone from being a mouthy teenager to a middle aged man in the space of three cameron movies
This would actually make a lot of sense and giving Cameron an extra year between 2 and 3 and then again between 4 and 5 can only be a good thing. It's also good for Star Wars, as Lucasfilm seems to have realized too that pushing out a film annually doesnt necessarily work for them either.
That the original is getting FOUR sequels will never not astound me. The passion he has for that world is incredible. It will look breathtaking, I hope the storytelling is there
Who? Where? The Rotten Tomatoes page is empty . Please don't say twitter early screening reactions lol
Can't believe people still doubt Cameron. Dude always delivers and the only thing you can have even more confidence in is his ability to make a sequel that's better than the original.
Avatar 2 will easily gross a billion dollars. Easy. Easy easy easy. Quote me. @me. Whatever.
Now, that said, don't get me wrong - I don't necessarily think we'll 100% get Avatar 4 or 5; I could see his own disinterest or another shiny object getting in the way of that... or simply old age. If we do get avatar 5, decent chance it's a mid-late 2020s release and with a different director... if it even happens at all. But that Hs nothing to do with the success of Avatar 2.
Avatar 2 will easily gross a billion dollars. Easy. Easy easy easy. Quote me. @me. Whatever.
Now, that said, don't get me wrong - I don't necessarily think we'll 100% get Avatar 4 or 5; I could see his own disinterest or another shiny object getting in the way of that... or simply old age. If we do get avatar 5, decent chance it's a mid-late 2020s release and with a different director... if it even happens at all. But that Hs nothing to do with the success of Avatar 2.
Nah we'll get 4&5. The scripts and preproduction are already done. They're ready to go straight to photography once greenlit. And apparently they've done a few shots here and there for 4 already.
Yeah I'm not betting against Cameron. Even though I think he's making a mistake investing basically the back end of his career entirely on one franchise.
Avatar 2 will do very well and 4/5 will quickly be fast tracked after its opening weekend I would guess.
The people who think Avatar as a brand is forgotton should take a trip to Disney's Animal Kingdom theme park ... the line up for the Avatar ride is hours long and everywhere around the park kids/parents are walking around with Avatar gear.
If A2 has a good script (and Cameron IMO has never directed a film with a bad script), it is going to do boffo box-office.
Avatar 2 will do very well and 4/5 will quickly be fast tracked after its opening weekend I would guess.
The people who think Avatar as a brand is forgotton should take a trip to Disney's Animal Kingdom theme park ... the line up for the Avatar ride is hours long and everywhere around the park kids/parents are walking around with Avatar gear.
If A2 has a good script (and Cameron IMO has never directed a film with a bad script), it is going to do boffo box-office.
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I'm hot and cold on any more avatar. I liked watching the first one once but that was plenty. It's a cool world though and if they can make a good story with those visuals I'll watch The sequels. I just hope they aren't all 3 hours long even though I know they will be.
For me even though it's not Cameron's best film something about Avatar works. My fiance will sit and watch the whole thing anytime it's on TV, and she's no big sci-fi/fantasy fan.
Cameron just understands story structure and character development in these types of films really, really well.
Cameron just understands story structure and character development in these types of films really, really well.
Wait, what?
True Lies is fucking hilarious. Bill Paxton alone is worth the price of admission, let alone everything else.
Someone that starred in a movie that grossed more money than any mahvel or starwar movie.
That's what really bothers people about Avatar, isn't it.
This right here. It's the story and the characters. Even though it's a deeply silly film in parts, it has a message that resonates with people and characters that connect. You'd have to have a cold, dead heart to not feel for the relationship between Neytiri and Sully. Every character gets their moment too.
Also, Avatar is great science fiction. It has ideas and commits to them.
Surprised at the hostility towards the first film here. I really enjoyed it but even if you didn't I think it's ridiculous to basically call it garbage. At worst it's a solid action movie.
The next film from the director of the two biggest films of all time is going to be an event. On a technical front Avatar still holds up, imagine what possibly the leading light in movie CGI can achieve with technology a decade down the line. That's all you need to do; flash up a card that says 'From the director of Terminator 2, Titanic and Avatar' and then show a couple of minutes of bleeding edge CGI and people will be queuing up to see it. Even with a combined budget of $1bn for four films they'll be making money by the second film.
I'd also say that Alita: Battle Angel will probably end up being one of the box office bombs of the year. It looks interesting visually from the trailers but I don't know anyone who's genuinely excited to see it.
The next film from the director of the two biggest films of all time is going to be an event. On a technical front Avatar still holds up, imagine what possibly the leading light in movie CGI can achieve with technology a decade down the line. That's all you need to do; flash up a card that says 'From the director of Terminator 2, Titanic and Avatar' and then show a couple of minutes of bleeding edge CGI and people will be queuing up to see it. Even with a combined budget of $1bn for four films they'll be making money by the second film.
I'd also say that Alita: Battle Angel will probably end up being one of the box office bombs of the year. It looks interesting visually from the trailers but I don't know anyone who's genuinely excited to see it.
After Avatar I gave up on Cameron's ability to care about making a good script. How does a guy who began with Aliens and Terminator 1 and 2 go to that script?
It's not a bad script. You may not like the subject matter per se, but structurally it's a very sound script for an action blockbuster. For people globally to get into a movie like that with no brand recognition to it, and a run time of nearly 3 hours, it has to be working on a story level.
It's not a bad script, it's boring and predictable - there are films which can fill in those blanks and make it exciting, like Whedon's Avengers and Aquaman. They were able to do this with vibrant characters and engaging set pieces and mythology, I didn't get any of this like those movies produced from Avatar. Aquaman as a film is a patchwork from numerous films stitched together to make an intriguing new story like it's never been told before, Wonder Woman did this to a lesser degree. With Avatar all I felt was blah.
IIRC the Avatar script was written with 3D in mind, meaning Cameron's focus was more to have a story in which he can show off 3D and not so much great characters.
I honestly doubt it's going to be much better in the sequels as Cameron will make the very same considerations but I guess we'll see.
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Because Avatar doesn't have engaging set pieces? And what's this about the mythology of Whedon's Avengers?
There is undoubtedly A LOT thought put into Navi culture and Pandora flora and fauna, in ways that eclipses similar movies that try to create their own worlds.
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That's what's so weird about this. That's a good method in theory how he did it from my perspective, is that he failed to utilise it where many films without that ambition or powerhouse technology backing did so much better with the execution by going completely crazy. For example, Aquaman. It's possible to do that with films and have interesting characters or somehow interesting characters - like in Rogue One. Characters took a back seat in that movie, but I felt more of a connection to them and they stood out more than Avatar.
This is subjective, of course.
Aquaman has the mythology down, Avengers had the characterisation. Should have phrased it clearer, my bad.
Most of the set pieces in Avatar din't thrill me like those movies did.
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Also, Avatar can perfectly be seen in 2D if you can't or won't choose 3D. It's just as good, it's not just a vehicle for 3D With 'wow' effects
Except the story was written way before he had 3D in mind. Cameron has ALWAYS serviced script first.
Are-- are you talking about
Valerian and the Unnecessarily Long Movie Title?
That Valerian?
Better than Avatar?
Geez, I knew ERA had a weird hate-boner for Avatar, but this? This is just nuts. Seek help.
Right? The original scriptment is from 1995.
Are-- are you talking about
Valerian and the Unnecessarily Long Movie Title?
That Valerian?
Better than Avatar?
Geez, I knew ERA had a weird hate-boner for Avatar, but this? This is just nuts. Seek help.
This community has always behaved in an incomprehensibly bizarre way when it comes to Avatar.
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You've lost a bit of credibility with those name drops. Aquaman and Wonder Woman are new and exciting? I'm not even a huge fan of Avatar, but it's in a different league entirely. Despite the familiarity of Avatar's story, Cameron's passion and attention to detail exude through the product and invigorate those well-worn tropes. There is no such feeling with those DC films, no imprint of a unique directorial voice.
Billion earned, not spent. Spent is insane. Usually it's 200-300M.
Made 10 million more than Master and Franchise killer.....
(I like M&C)
Whether or not it was written specifically for 3D show off I am not sure any more but either way it was written mainly as a technical show off in the 90s. He only didn't do it back then because the tech wasn't there yet.
