In Persona 5, dungeons are referred to as Palaces, the inner psyche of a person, but more specifically the arc villains, nothing in the OP implied that it was a throwaway joke.
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Atlus West invites known racist and sexual abuser RelaxAlax to Persona 5 Royal preview event
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Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.
Put down the pitchforks, it was almost certainly not intentional. It's bad optics for sure, don't get me wrong. But it's not as though Atlus did this themselves anyway, most publishers use external agencies and partners for organizing events like this.
Put down the pitchforks, it was almost certainly not intentional. It's bad optics for sure, don't get me wrong. But it's not as though Atlus did this themselves anyway, most publishers use external agencies and partners for organizing events like this.
Actually...
With that being said, I can kind of understand why this may have flown under Atlus West's radar (I say this as the person who made the exposition thread last year). But all the same, they should have done a better job of doing their research when vetting who was invited to the preview event.
It's not just bad optics it's being grossly irresponsible and is and should be called out.
You know what's bad optics? People cowardly posting "hanlon's razor" as if it somehow absolves them of the responsibility to check up on who gets invited.
As to your second point https://www.resetera.com/threads/at...na-5-royal-preview-event.170855/post-29229122
He doesn't get assaulted but preyed on by some homosexual men for laughs, it's pretty disgusting portrayal and not funny in any way.
Yes, that's fair. In the end, it is their event, and they are accountable for who was there and what happened there. I just don't think that there was a deliberate attempt to invite a shit bag to their preview event as much as it was pure carelessness and stupidity.
I'm not absolving Atlus of anything. It's still irresponsible of them. I'm just saying that this occurring is because of carelessness, not malintent.
I feel like I stepped into a 100 level philosophy class where everyone just learned the term "hanlon's razor" and has been waiting for a situation to use it in a sentence.
it's not played for comedy
but then ann, a player character who is sexually assalted by the teacher, is constantly objectified, so it's still really fucking awful
And hopefully with this thread existing, Atlus West can realize their mistake & perform better background checks on who they approve for their events going forward. Even if it was more carelessness than malice, Atlus West still fucked up by inviting RelaxAlax.
Yup, no arguments with any of that. This is not the kind of person you want your brand associated with.
Having played vanilla P5 and considering what's in Royal...this is right on brand for them
Where have they ever condoned racism and sexual assault/abuse?
Yeaaah, not sure what to think of this. Especially because RelaxAlax is not even adressing any of this.
Whenever Ann appears?
Like what exactly? Because if you're equating sexualizing someone with sexual abuse or assault, then that's gonna be a "agree to disagree" situation from the get go for me.
I might be exaggerating this as a reaction but the fact that basically every male character in the game keeps drooling and ogling over here despite of her whole character arc is not the best sight.
User Banned (3 months): Rationalizing sexualized imagery of a minor
Okay, but that's just them not being overtly progressive. Sexualizing women isn't necessarily a bad thing, because sex remains a large part of the human experience.
Also, from what I remember, her arc was more something like "I can still be myself without expecting other people to treat me like dirt", wasn't it? Been a while since I played it.
Is it so hard to do research people or is it they just saw how popular he is and were like, yeah this Youtuber best represent us well?
I feel there also better people to invite like The Completionist, who's friends with the voice actors, which in a way, is additional vetting.
I feel there also better people to invite like The Completionist, who's friends with the voice actors, which in a way, is additional vetting.
I did not know this about him. Had a couple of his videos in my Watch Later tab on YouTube, gladly removed them.
Er, no? The whole theme was about sexual harassment and abuse of power.
User Banned (3 months): Rationalizing sexualized imagery of a minor
Ann's arc is her owning her sexuality and deciding to use it to do what she wants. While I agree that the way the game sexualizes her for gags can often be dissonant with that, there is no single point where Persona 5 has ever condoned sexual assault or abuse. Get a grip.
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns around bigotry and sexual assault
I don't get the point of this thread. By inviting him Atlus neither supports his actions nor his opinions.
They saw someone making videos on one of their franchises with half a million subscribers and flew them in.
Even if they did a background check, I don't see how his past personal life has anything to do with playtesting video games.
They saw someone making videos on one of their franchises with half a million subscribers and flew them in.
Even if they did a background check, I don't see how his past personal life has anything to do with playtesting video games.
Atlus used Evolve PR to handle the arrangements, who also flew me out to the same event.
This third party work under Atlus, and Atlus hired them and greenlighted their work. Stop defending them.
User banned (1 week): Trolling, antagonizing other users
Totally irredeemable trash. Will ResetEra please boycott Person 5 and all Persona games going forward to show the world how dedicated we are against the alt-right trash.
Eh, characters try to look under her skirt, and kept pushing her to model nude even after her repeated objections. This happens right after the aforementioned sexual abuse chapter, of which she is a central character in, and it's played for laughs. I couldn't help but feel like it undermined the Kamoshida chapter's message. That whole blackmailing the maid-fetish teacher business doesn't help the game either. After the first chapter you're lead to believe the game empathises with victims of sexual harassment and assault, but clearly not enough to resist the allure of cheap fanservice jokes.
Or we can still have discussion about it and if people dont like it they can feel free to voice their concerns just like any game by thq nordic.
It felt dissonant to me too, but them failing to perfectly uphold themes in a story is not tantamount to condoning sexual abuse/assault.
Media targeted towards teenagers often also tackle those sorts of topics.
Come on guys it's sarcasm, I was making fun of a certain group of people on Era.
(To clarify: I feel just as disappointed whenever something like this happen, but it's funny seeing hypocrites shouting boycott only to still buy the game later anyway.)
Fair enough.
I agree, I think this is extremely disappointing and irresponsible of Atlus, and they really need to do better. I also think some of the responses feel to me a bit excessive.
It's not played for comedy at all. Did you play the game?
On a separate note, as someone who loves these games, it really sucks that they don't seem interested in growing much as a company and leave it all on localizers to try their best to clean up their messes. It's embarrassing.
if you legit read the spoilers about akechi then this is a bit disingenuous
I mean to be clear this is also the same company that treats being gay or trans as comedy or even make them enemies so not knowing about the details of the game its not a far stretch to assume they are ok with jokes about sexual assault.
This person has been showing up in my recommendations a lot lately and I've watched a few of their videos. I knew I heard their name before and kept meaning to remind myself why. Now I remember.
Feels like this happens with most of my recommendations. Sheesh.
Feels like this happens with most of my recommendations. Sheesh.
Not Kamoshida, but there are still absolutely scenes in the game that play sexual harassment for comedy.
It wasn't comedy in the game. It was blatantly condemned. It's a little disappointing that your mind first goes to humor with a subject like that.
As someone who works in Marketing, I find it very hard to believe that whoever offered out the invites did not know about this.
Unfortunately, RelaxAlax's misdeeds went under the radar for many, even those here on Era. As mentioned already, while Atlus West still fucked up when they vetted the attendees & should still be held accountable, I could see how it happened due to negligence.
You would be surprised at how easy it is for something like this to be missed, especially when, sadly, his shittiness is not as well known (even among those who are aware of him) as it would be for someone like Logan Paul or JonTron or what not.
Yeah, I get you. It's just that, when I'm dealing with a client who may be famous/infamous for a particular thing, I'm going to keep it in my mind to watch out for being brought up on that in future. Especially when $$$-related things like flights, hotels etc. are involved and budget could be wasted on it - it's a shame that it wasn't delved into properly.