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Atlus Reports Net Loss of 904 Million Yen for Fiscal Year Ended March 2019, Strong Packaged Game Sales
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Start capitalizing on your properties or you wont survive Atlus. Put your titles on Switch, PC, etc. WTF is wrong with you?!?!
In no universe releasing a downport of a Ps3/360 game to Vita in 2019 for JP only (for less than 10k sales) made any sense.
TBF, there's not much to read into corporate non-info speech. "We beat expectations" means little when we don't have any info on what those expectations were and by how much they were beaten.
I echo the PC people wanting more of their games on the platform. Why would I have gotten the PC catherine locked to old content when it released at the same ballpark time as the expanded version on ps4... that was crazy, as if they begged for the release to fail to sell...
It's good the platform is on their report, but there's nothing to be proud of right now strategy wise.
It's good the platform is on their report, but there's nothing to be proud of right now strategy wise.
Why I have a feeling that we want get as much or any "why Atlus hates money" posts in SMTV exclusivity threads
I'm not surprised at that massive loss, Atlus make some real boneheaded decisions and they hate money!
Copying and pasting a misleading title from somewhere else doesn't absolve you from spreading misinformation.
Speaking of misinformation, if you ask me the real reason for the loss has got to be that they spend way too much on protein powder and gym membership for their localization staff
Came for this comment and first post it is.
Their games are among the most port-begged-for and IMO it is justified. A masterpiece like Persona 4 Golden trapped on Vita is just wrong.
Ofc we won't. Cause SMTV as a Switch only release will be a "smart" move.
I guess there was always going to be some sort of issue with moving away from Index. Still, I can't help but feel that they could've lessened their losses if they had been smarter about some of their releases, mainly their 3DS and Vita ones
We'll get plenty of those, considering that that already happens in SMTV threads. Maybe not as much but that's because there is nothing to indicate that the game could be coming to the PS4/PS5 like there was with Persona 5
You mean like how no one is complaining about the whole DQXIS situation? Let's not pretend that Sony fans don't do their own share of complaining. Quite a few folk here are already unironically complaining about the game not being multiplatform
Additionally, game distribution in the PC games market continues to expand, with platforms like Steam.
Is there a reason why the Persona games are not on it yet?
Is there a reason why the Persona games are not on it yet?
Haha bullshit. We had a whole year of "HD project means its not Switch exclusive!!!!" posts and the only reason we didn't get a thread full of port begging when it was confirmed as a Switch exclusive is because Resetera didn't exist.
With proper budgeting and expectations games don't need to sell large amounts to be successful. Atlus has been around for decades because they plan and budget well.
Because portbegging is bannable in official threads.
But it's not bannable here, where platform support is topical and salient to discussion. So we get Switch owners portbegging P5, PS4 owners portbegging SMTV and PC gamers portbegging both. And justifiably so, they'd all do well. They should both get Xbox ports as well really.
Personally if I'm going to portbeg from Atlus I'd sooner ask for a TMS#FE port. That game actually needs it.
Atlus decides but Koei can have some influence. They pushed for DQH on both PS4 and PC for example, originally SE planned for it to be a PS3 exclusive.
That is the company's entire history outside of P3-5 and Catherine. They have had very few massive selling games and even their biggest games would fail to meet expectations at the larger Japanese studios. If FfXV did P5 sales it would have tanked square for example.
Reading the replies in this thread, it's no surprise the industry is secretive about sales numbers. So many dumb people with awful takes and a lack of basic reading comprehension.
Rigidity in both tradition and developer bias. Though it's probably mostly they don't bother spending what little surplus money they're making on more ports.
That said, can someone explain the repayments to me? I don't think I ever heard about those until just now when it brought their fiscal year into the negative.
I didn't see any Only on PS logo or mention of exclusivity when P5:R was announced.
That should be a big hint, tbh.
Note that P5, or Atlus' by far strongest selling game to date sold during these two fiscal years, which may account for the difference between those years' loss and this year.
I know people want the games ported to other platforms, but acting like you know more about atlus' financials than they do is beyond stupid.
Its not about being an Atlus insider per se, but the lack of general understanding of concepts like amortization, good will and write-offs that tend to lead to a skewed analysis of the health of any said company. This is often the case in threads like this.
I would not draw any conclusion just yet, as the actual full performance needs to be looked at.
It happened when they became a Sega studio. Iirc, amoritzation is about paying off debt from a loan. So SEGA got a loan and the loss is from repayments to the loanholder, under Atlus' name for tax reasons most likely.
Yes. And I don't think "release on all platforms" is a strategy that always works. If that's the case every company would be doing that. There are costs involved in porting and Atlus is not a big company. I don't get the complaints about the 3DS games either because Atlus has always been late in moving to the newest platform.
SMTV being exclusive to Nintendo is actually a good move for them, especially seeing how well it worked with SMTIV and Nintendo giving them the full backing.
It's people thinking porting games cost no effort or resources and involve no risks. Hence companies who don't port their games to the Switch or PC must hate money. It's honestly quite a stupid argument and some people in this thread are using this report as ammunition to port beg.
They've announced more EO is coming, but that's about it. No platforms or any other significant details so far.
lol. It's like you can predict what happens in every atlus thread.
Do i have to take a photo of my Persona 5 copy? there is no doubt it would sell a ton on Switch, why Atlus hasn't done it is confusing.
That sounds like a shitty situation , they are profitable compared to operating costs and have a healthy revenue stream but were so far in debt 6 (!!) years ago that they are still footing the bill. Wonder how much of that cost they have left to deal with before they can start storing some cash instead of sinking it into interest payments ?
The situation is very different. DQ XI was released less than a year ago on PS4 and now they are releasing a better version for Switch. And tbh that's not even the problem here, the problem is that they are not offering any ways for PS4 owners to get the new contents buy paying for a expansion/DLC that adds them.
And again the main issue is that they are fixing stuff like music which was a big complain from PS4 players, but aren't giving alternatives for PS4 owners.
Are we gonna pretend that Switch discussions weren't allowed when P5R didn't have a definitive platform announced and all we had was a PS logo? SMT HD was in the same situation so I don't get why you are upset that people thought it would be on PS4 at the time.
I'm under the impression they both bombed. So did PQ2 for that matter.
Japan sales data: (LTD)
Persona 4: Dancing All Night - 124.334
Persona 5: Dancing Star Night [All Versions] - 45.475
Persona 3: Dancing Moon Night [All Versions] - 35.037
They literally said they met sales expectations. They cannot lie on financial reports.
P4Dancing opened at 95K in Japan a few years ago. P3&P5 opened at 65k. Dancing was at 235k as a series in Japan at the start of the year. There's a lack of data for digital and from the NA and EU markets though.
Yeah they sold less combined than P4D did alone, so they clearly did not meet expectations.
Someone posted a graph in the PQ2 OT and that sold far less than the original too, so I expect both of those spin off series to be finished now unless they decide to port them.
I believe these are all the games that Atlus released in this period:
P3/5 Dancing
EON
Persona Q2
Catherine remake
If I'm not mistaken, none of those games sold as well as previous entries in their respective series. Then again, they may have been expecting this (3DS dying, smaller budget spent on the dancing games, a remake of a relatively recent game that didn't need a remake).
Does Atlus handle SMT Liberation Dx 2 or is that all Sega?
Unless they were expecting them to sell less.
P3/5 Dancing
EON
Persona Q2
Catherine remake
If I'm not mistaken, none of those games sold as well as previous entries in their respective series. Then again, they may have been expecting this (3DS dying, smaller budget spent on the dancing games, a remake of a relatively recent game that didn't need a remake).
Does Atlus handle SMT Liberation Dx 2 or is that all Sega?
Unless they were expecting them to sell less.
At the same time, P3D and P5D have less content than P4D did. Budget was likely less than for P4D.
None of them had any reason to beat their previous entries and it's obvious Atlus expected that.
