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Orioto

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Oct 26, 2017
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They are certainly not my cup of tea anymore, but that's not just quality. Clearly i have to face i'm an old fool and my tastes are not really the ones of the majority nowadays!

I don't like any of those action oriented systems, even FFVIIR, i find it messy and in the end you're mostly focused on jauges to see what happens.. Everything is Tales of now (and i tried Arise and my god, i hated it... it's mostly push A when possible to win even if you're not sure what happens) but i mean, look at how a mmorpg battle look... That's clearly not for me!

Now story wise, i guess XVI should be better yeah! It better be. What i'm worried about is can SE deliver the kind of graphics a leading next gen FF should .... With things like UE5 around the corner...
 
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halcali

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Nov 7, 2017
6,317
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It's a shitty series like Zelda, Mario, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil and so on. Why are you people even playing these games? There are a bazillion of games out there, you will find something to satisfy your refined taste.

Perhaps were I to live 500 years more, I might be able to enjoy a tenth of all the things that engage my heart and soul. <3

(Final Fantasy CXXXIV will be shite.)
 

OnanieBomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's basically been getting worse every generation after the PS one games. So I have no hope for 16 being anything other than a steaming pile.
 

Darkstorne

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Oct 26, 2017
6,813
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Play FF14, get hyped for FF16.
Right, but then I look into actually playing it and essentially get told "Oh, forgot to mention, you have to endure 30-50 hours of mind-numbingly boring story and fetch quests before you can get to the great story."

I just don't have enough free time to willingly throw 50 hours of my life away =(
 

Plax

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Nov 23, 2019
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Right, but then I look into actually playing it and essentially get told "Oh, forgot to mention, you have to endure 30-50 hours of mind-numbingly boring story and fetch quests before you can get to the great story."

I just don't have enough free time to willingly throw 50 hours of my life away =(

They're not as bad as everyone says. Alot of it is quite good. There is one particular stretch that can wear you down. But otherwise, it's perfectly playable and even fun if you're interested in the characters.
 

Starlatine

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Oct 28, 2017
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Don't worry OP the Pixel Remasters are here for the good final fantasy games (plus IV)

let the plebs enjoy the rest
 

Tibarn

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Oct 31, 2017
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Yeah FF has been high production value but low tier JRPG for a while now. VI is amazing though, overall the pre-X games are good to great.
 
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alexi52

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Oct 28, 2017
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FF is better now than it has been for a while now, WAY better than the 11 through 13/early 14 era
 

newtonlod

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Oct 27, 2017
658
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I would say there's only like 5 or 6 great games (3 JP, 5, 7 og, 9, maybe 14). It's a incredibly mediocre JRPG series with a good marketing team and visuals behind it.
6/12 are so problematic and mediocre that is unbelievable the praise both get. The only explanation I find for 6 is that people are insanely emotional because of nostalgia.
I would say the only true amazing, best ever games from FF are the original 7 and Final Fantasy Tactics.
 

teruterubozu

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Oct 28, 2017
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Started playing XII the other day and about 2 hours in I was like, wait I already played this. They're just not memorable anymore.
 

bytesized

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Oct 27, 2017
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Amsterdam
I could never stand final fantasy and square jrpgs in general. They exude this pretentious overconfidence that to me seems completely unwarranted and cringey. But people seem to love it so, yeah, i don't know, maybe it's just me... And you lol
 

Tremorah

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Dec 3, 2018
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7 - Yep!
8 - Yep!
9 - Nah!
10 - Nah!
11 - (Who?)
12 - Yep!
13 - Nah!
14 - (Who?)
15 - Nah!

3 officially sanctioned and highly prestigious 'Yeps!' in 25 years… Dragon Quest has been better over the same period.


6 - Hell yeah!
7 - Holy shit!
8 - What, ok i guess!
9 - ALL RIGHT!!
10 - HAHAHAHAHA, sure!
11 - idonthavetimefortis
12 - Eh?
13 - Whatareyoudoing?
14 - istilldonthavetimefortis
15 - OOH PRETTY, but no!
 

Mik2121

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Oct 25, 2017
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Being fully aware that the series is, for the most part, not for me… including all spin-offs and whatever else titles, I like:

FFIX
FFXI
FFXIV
FF Tactics
FF Tactics Advance

And that's it for me. I partially enjoyed FFVIIR until the edgy red-haired dude shows up, and FFXV was enjoyable but the main cast was definitely not for me so I didn't last long.
I don't remember much about the FF titles prior to VII.
 

Xils

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Feb 4, 2020
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Right, but then I look into actually playing it and essentially get told "Oh, forgot to mention, you have to endure 30-50 hours of mind-numbingly boring story and fetch quests before you can get to the great story."

I just don't have enough free time to willingly throw 50 hours of my life away =(
You can still try it and see for yourself, that's what the free trial is for.
Plenty of people find those early game enjoyable when they try it themselves and not as bad as everyone made it out to be. It's worse than later part for sure and that's why people are saying it's bad, mostly to set the expectation low. Otherwise they think people come looking for the "good stuffs" would be disappointed with with what they see and think the entire game is gonna be like this so it's their way of saying this is not the good stuff they've been going on about.

But they've been doing this too much that it got to the point that they made the early game sounds so bad that it instead keep people away from playing at all.

It's actually more like 7/10 experience that people made it seems like it's 4/10. It's not so bad that it's like throwing 50 hours of your life away. There's still plenty of fun you can have in these 50 hours.

Of course, there are people who can't stand the earlier story at all and that's understandable. It's not for everyone, but you really won't know if you don't try and see it for yourself.
 

Jroc

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Jun 9, 2018
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FF13 fans got dunked on for suggesting that the game "actually got good" after 30 hours or so.

I don't know why FF14 gets a pass for "actually getting good" after 50 hours of grinding/fetch quests/MMO gameplay.
 

MrWindUpBird

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Oct 28, 2017
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Is there a reason this forum has seemingly made it a contest to see just how negative the whole site can get?
 

hog

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Mar 9, 2021
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Dunno about the rest but FF7R was an outstanding action game imo. It played incredibly well and I loved the vibe of it.
 

Kromeo

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Oct 27, 2017
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FF13 fans got dunked on for suggesting that the game "actually got good" after 30 hours or so.

I don't know why FF14 gets a pass for "actually getting good" after 50 hours of grinding/fetch quests/MMO gameplay.

For one thing they're actually telling the truth in 14's case, XIII if anything gets worse once you reach Pulse
 

Spehornoob

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Nov 15, 2017
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lol, Final Fantasy hasn't been in a better spot for a decade and a half.

VII Remake was a critical and commercial success. XV was a success (thought I personally don't like it). XIV's latest expansion is universally beloved, and overall the game is moving toward being considered one of the best in the series as a whole. The guy behind XIV is producing the next mainline title.

The only possible misstep right now is Strangers of Paradise and even that demo has positive reception to the gameplay, with the story and current technical performance being the only issues (and, hell, people are kind of embracing the stupidity of the story).
 

BriGuy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I hear all of these wonderful things about FFIV that it makes me wish that SE could somehow strip those story elements out of the current game and repackage them into a more "traditional" console JRPG. I just have no interest in falling down the MMORPG rabbit hole and all the command lines and text boxes I see flying around on YouTube videos is just really unappealing to me. I want to be able to solo things in my own self-contained, non subscription-based world.
 

Darkstorne

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Oct 26, 2017
6,813
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You can still try it and see for yourself, that's what the free trial is for.
Plenty of people find those early game enjoyable when they try it themselves and not as bad as everyone made it out to be. It's worse than later part for sure and that's why people are saying it's bad, mostly to set the expectation low. Otherwise they think people come looking for the "good stuffs" would be disappointed with with what they see and think the entire game is gonna be like this so it's their way of saying this is not the good stuff they've been going on about.

But they've been doing this too much that it got to the point that they made the early game sounds so bad that it instead keep people away from playing at all.

It's actually more like 7/10 experience that people made it seems like it's 4/10. It's not so bad that it's like throwing 50 hours of your life away. There's still plenty of fun you can have in these 50 hours.

Of course, there are people who can't stand the earlier story at all and that's understandable. It's not for everyone, but you really won't know if you don't try and see it for yourself.
I really would like to give it another go. I did use the trial about a year ago, and it wasn't so much the story that caused me to stop caring (the game had barely begun) but the combat system. It was clearly reinforcing that MMO trope that all players are dumbasses and can only cope with having one or two buttons to press for the first few hours of the game, and it would slowly hand out a new skill/ability every few hours. It was that, coupled with rigid class design and the lack of playstyle customization, that made me think the game is probably not for me.

I like games that encourage build personalization (ESO, Path of Exile, etc) and have always hated the weird mindset some MMO devs and players have that you can't possibly learn a class by having a bunch of skills all at once, and instead it's mandatory to have class skills doled out individually over the course of 50+ hours to be able to understand it.

I hear so much about Heavensward's story that I'd love the option to buy a level boost that starts me off at that expansion, with a full set of class skills to play around with, and I'd happily learn a class over the next three expansions worth of story. But without that I don't think I could endure the slow pace of skilling up with a mediocre story for dozens of hours before getting there. So I think without a specific Heavensward level boost I'm kinda resigned to accepting this is just a story I'll be missing out on. The game doesn't seem to respect player time up until that point (not unique to FF14 at all of course - that's a common MMO issue), so it is what it is.
 

Chaos2Frozen

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Nov 3, 2017
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Am I able to play FF14 completely solo? I always hear it's good but I don't want to interact with other people at all through the story.

Dungeons are co-op experiences. They did recently implement a "NPC support" system where you can use NPCs as your party members instead, but I'm not sure if they implement it for the lower level dungeons.

I tried it for some high level dungeon content and the AIs are pretty good, the only down side is that they're slower to clear with than if you have actual players with you.

I played FFXIV and it was hours and hours of fetch quests with a fun dungeon thrown in every 5 hours.

Play it harder.
 

TalonJH

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Oct 27, 2017
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Considering it's a completely different team, I don't think it should.



Didn't even choose the hotter Manderville

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I wish I could erase my memories and go back and experience those quest again. They were so good. I laughed so much.
 

wvan13

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dungeons are co-op experiences. They did recently implement a "NPC support" system where you can use NPCs as your party members instead, but I'm not sure if they implement it for the lower level dungeons.

I tried it for some high level dungeon content and the AIs are pretty good, the only down side is that they're slower to clear with than if you have actual players with you.
Shit if they end up with good AI companions I'll get back to the game. I'd never even thought about that.
 

Quinton

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dungeons are co-op experiences. They did recently implement a "NPC support" system where you can use NPCs as your party members instead, but I'm not sure if they implement it for the lower level dungeons.

Unfortunately, pre-Shadowbringers dungeons don't have the Trust system; at least not yet. Anything in the game that involves playing alongside other people is the low point for me from a personal perspective (qualitatively speaking, the multiplayer-centric content is largely terrific post-ARR), so I'm hoping that the Trust stuff makes its way back through older fare over time.
 

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Unfortunately, pre-Shadowbringers dungeons don't have the Trust system; at least not yet. Anything in the game that involves playing alongside other people is the low point for me from a personal perspective (qualitatively speaking, the multiplayer-centric content is largely terrific post-ARR), so I'm hoping that the Trust stuff makes its way back through older fare over time.
The trust system is terribly time consuming though, dungeons take forever as the other characters don't use AOE in dungeons at all.
 
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Unfortunately, pre-Shadowbringers dungeons don't have the Trust system; at least not yet. Anything in the game that involves playing alongside other people is the low point for me from a personal perspective (qualitatively speaking, the multiplayer-centric content is largely terrific post-ARR), so I'm hoping that the Trust stuff makes its way back through older fare over time.
You can do most of the Realm Reborn dungeons, and some Heavensward ones with an AI Squad though that is a thing you have to unlock.
 

Quinton

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The trust system is terrible though, dungeons take forever as the other characters don't use AOE in dungeons at all.

It's well worth the tradeoff for me in exchange for not feeling anxious about doing well alongside strangers or even friends, especially when it's my first time somewhere. Plus, the characters actually banter and say stuff about the world around them.

You can do most of the Realm Reborn dungeons, and some Heavensward ones with an AI Squad though that is a thing you have to unlock.

The Grand Company stuff, yeah? I hadn't realized its scope extends into some of the Heavensward fare now. That's good!
 

SavoyPrime

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm actually quite interested in FFXVI since the FFXIV team is behind it. Aside from that, I haven't really enjoyed a FF since the PS1 era. While I enjoyed X's battle system and a few of the characters, overall I could pass on it. I'm going to attempt to give FFXII a go again. But FFXIII and FFXV are definite passes. I've seen and heard enough to know that those games are not worthy of my time.
 

Griffith

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Oct 27, 2017
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Final Fantasy is a sad mockery of the genre, a sad mockery of its legacy and I'm tired of people pretending that Nomura is 'hot shit' when only one of those two words is appropriate to describe most of his work.

The series has been on steep decline since the PS2 era. It started with FFX (I'm not saying FFX is bad, but the decline started with it) and it only got progressively worse and seemingly more so with each new entry.

Outside of their production quality (assets, artwork, music), modern Final Fantasy games have almost no redeeming qualities.

FFXIV is an anomaly within the modern Final Fantasy games.

Oh and keyboards and pens worldwide should get a restraining order for Nojima. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near one.
 

Chaos2Frozen

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Nov 3, 2017
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Yeah I used the Trust system during Shadowbringers and the AIs are smart enough to deal with boss mechanics. In the past I used to watch a guide before attempting a dungeon so as not to screw up for other people, but with the AI there's no need to worry about that and you can learn the dungeon naturally from watching them as well.

The biggest downside though is that it's much slower than if you run with a full team of players- If a normal run would take 20-30mins then an AI run would be twice as long. I honestly would only use them for the first clear experience.
 

Ovvv

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FF13 fans got dunked on for suggesting that the game "actually got good" after 30 hours or so.

I don't know why FF14 gets a pass for "actually getting good" after 50 hours of grinding/fetch quests/MMO gameplay.

Because there's like 500 hours of good content after those 50 hours?