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At current PSN speeds, an all-digital PS5 looks like a joke

Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
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I do think it's weird how different people have different results. It's not their personal network, since other downloads like PC or Xbox are fine. And it's not PSN, because other folks (myself included) have no problems with the downloads. Maybe I can't get a five-minute download like someone up above mentioned, but I could probably download just about anything while I go take a shower or cook dinner. I'm not worried about PS5.
 
Ridill

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Oct 27, 2017
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Last disc I bought was uncharted 4. Since the. I've been all digital. I have had no issues with their system. Although, having said that, I always tend to preload games I want to play so I have no issues on day 1 games, other games, I just pick what I want to play and let it download in the background. By the time I get back on(1-2 hours later), it's already downloaded and have no issues hopping on.

What I'm hoping they fix is the copying installing portion, and the whole needing double the space to download and install games.
 
hikarutilmitt

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Dec 16, 2017
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Ffs this thread comes up so often I swear nobody reads the previous ones.

1) the cdn you download from matters as well as whether it's been primed with the content you're grabbing. The data center is not serving the content directly.
2) your dns will determine which cdn you're going to use.

If you have never changed any dns settings you're likely using your isp dns which is likely shit even if the actual service is great. Try changing it to use Cloudflare dns of 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 or use Google dns of 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Or use one as primary and the other as secondary. It's not a magic bullter but it will make a difference.
 
Alek

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I think some of it stems from folks not realising how the PSN download stuff works.

If you're running any application, even youtube or the web browser, it will not download games at full speed. It gets throttles to maybe 20% or so. Very slow!

If you close all apps or go into rest mode, you get pretty good speeds. I get 15-30mb/s and it takes me maybe 30 minutes to download a 50+ GB game. I don't think that's bad at all.

Not saying it's great that it works that way, but I think some folks are trying to download and play, which is where the speeds get crippled. A 30 minute download suddenly takes 3 hours if I'm playing another game.
 
Shambala

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Oct 26, 2017
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I get almost my full download speed an psn. Been all digital for 6 years now. Hope your issue gets fixed
 
regenhuber

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Nov 4, 2017
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The PSN speeds are only an issue if you spontaneously decide to download a game and can't wait to play.

For the average mass market buyer it's probably good enough if they can start the download in the evening and play the next morning.
 

NightmareT

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Aug 21, 2018
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it gonna sounds strange but this happened to me.

I have a Xbox one S digital edition, i download Full Speed (85 mb, around 9-10 MB/s), i traded my console for a xbox one S (with the disc), and now my speed is only 40mb the half.

Nothing change, same router/ip/conf, etc.
 
Raboon

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Oct 30, 2017
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Someone probably already mentioned it but pausing your download and then unpausing usually solves this problem for me. I have no idea why it works like this tho.. and I've heard it doesn't work for everyone unfortunately.
 
zYuuKwn

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Jun 15, 2020
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A friend of mine couldn't even connect to the store properly most of the time (It would keep the loading animation going on undefinitely). Even after changing the internet provider and stuff this wouldn't be fixed (We even theorized that it could be something related to the console since it would work perfectly to play online games such as GTA)
 
Tmespe

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Oct 27, 2017
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Speeds are pretty good for me. Make sure to quit any game or app you have open as that will throttle the download.
 
zMiiChy-

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It's so much better for me than during the PS3 days.

A lot of it depends on the CDN, whether you have apps running in the backround, and COVID(Download Speeds are currently being throttled during the pandemic).

I definitely feel Playstation Networks speeds are something Sony can improve next generation, but I also feel slow speeds aren't nearly as widespread as some people make them out to be.

Customer service, fan noise and controller build quality are my primary concerns for Playstation next gen now that Sony apparently seems to be taking backwards compatibility seriously.
 

Chris_Rivera

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Oct 30, 2017
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Steam, Origin, etc pretty consistently hit 90-100MB/s on my PC. Don't think I've ever seen my ssd PS4 pro touch that. They really need to improve the network throughput stats provided in the UI.
 
JoelStinty

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Aug 15, 2019
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Lol, I got shitty 2-3 mb internet and on a good day download at 500kbs. I'd die to even be downloading at 4MBS. Games take anywhere from 24 to 48 hours to download depending on size but I never get bothered by it. It is what it is. Is it really that bothersome? Most of you guys could easily download a game overnight or within a few hours.

Having said that I am waiting to see what game sizes are like before i decide what PS5 sku to buy.
 

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Never had a problem with PSN speeds, admittedly my connection is only 35mbps but it is always maxed out.

Is this a US thing caused by shitty ISPs and bad network configuration?
 
Jogi

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Jul 4, 2018
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Yeah they aren't good for me either and I have like 350 down. Usually insanely slow, and that is partially why I don't play warzone haha
 
Melchiah

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Oct 26, 2017
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zombiejames said:
Aren't speeds still being limited by COVID?
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Not in Finland it seems, as this was just a couple of weeks ago.

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That's on 400Mbps wired connection.

The download speeds have been consistently good for me on the PS4, all the way from the launch day. Much better than the Windows update speeds. It can takes minutes for even ~100MB update to load.
 
Stellar

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Oct 26, 2017
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My pro hasn't given me any real issues other than on very rare occasions. I download even the biggest games in 2 hours and under. for average game size it only takes 40~60mins.
 
Mallaboo

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Nov 2, 2017
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PSN Full game downloads have often finished Downloading within an hour on my PS4 using Virgin Fibre in UK
 
blaze

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Oct 25, 2017
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PSN speeds have improved for me over the last year but they're still far behind downloads from other platforms, personally I wouldn't buy a digital only console outside of handhelds but that's more of a game price competition reason, for the most part you're going to be relying on PSN speeds to play a game no matter what anyway because updates can be so huge for initial installs.
 
Putty

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No issues for me. Based in the UK up in the north east. On Thursday I upgraded my internet package with Virgin so expecting even faster download speeds from PSN.
 
Zok310

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Oct 25, 2017
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The last time i dl GTA5 i put the console in rest mode, did a few things around the house came back in 40 mins and it was done.
Thats the longest i have ever had to dl a game off psn.
 

giapel

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Oct 28, 2017
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Physical is never truly physical with all the massive updates. I'd rather download the up to date game rather than install from disc, download an update, install, download the update of the update, install which has been my experience with physical. If it's slow it's slow.
 
Euan_1981

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Apr 23, 2018
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Its pretty OK here in the UK. I just put my ps4 to rest mode, downloads much faster. Been digital for a few years now and not been put out by it.
 
Melchiah

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Oct 26, 2017
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Dphex said:
Huh? i get my physical games mostly 2 days before release, this way i am surely playing sooner than digital :-)
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Digital games can be preloaded, if you've preordered them. I rarely do that anymore though, as nowadays you have to pay them in advance, which you don't have to do with physical ones.

I don't know any stores in Finland, that would sell games before the release date, so being able to start the digital version at the stroke of midnight is a quicker way to get to play for me. I mostly go for digital with games I'm going to play for long periods of time, or that are good for quick plug & play sessions, like Destiny and Driveclub for example.
 
Mubrik_

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Dec 7, 2017
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I think a lot of people need to realize that 80% of the time it's not a 'PSN' issue but most likely a DNS or ISP issue.

If your DNS resolves to a data center IP that's farther away from you and your ISP route to that destination has a bottleneck on a single hop then it really doesn't matter what your download speed is.

it could also just be any of that happening.
 

DJtal

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Oct 30, 2017
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I just put it on rest mode. I have the feeling when it's on it will always prioritize the system and the games rather than then the download, which kind off make sense to me. In the meantime, if I want to game, I just switch on my Xbox One.
 
Night Hunter

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Dec 5, 2017
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Yeah, PSN is pretty much "YMMV" all the time, depending where you live. I don't know what they did, but a few years ago the slow download thing fixed itself pretty much over night for me. My slowest speed now is pretty much what my top speed was before.
 
flattie

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Nov 5, 2017
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Fine for me. 50 gb games take under an hour. Physical is certainly no faster in most cases due to disc install + patch download.
 
Ser_Kafka

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barit said:
Speed is thanks god not a problem here in Germany but size will be a big problem imo. Just downloaded BF2 on PS4. Fucking game is 115GB big. On PS5 with its barely 825GB SSD this means 7 to 8 AAA games installed at once maximum. Now that is a joke for sure
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Is it, though? You can just delete any game you've played, and it'll only be one AAA game less than a 1TB console.

It really isn't a big deal.
 
travisbickle

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After recently installing RDR2 from disc and additional updates, an all-digital PS5 sounds reasonable to me.
 
Nuclear Detergent

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Oct 29, 2017
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I have a 500/500 Mbit connection and download speeds are abysmal (usually 10 Mbit/s, sometimes 50 Mbit/s), on a wired connection. That's really terrible. Doing a network test I usually get between 100-150 Mbit, which I could live with, but I would expect somewhere between 350-400 Mbit on a wired connection.
 
Pargon

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Karspankey said:
Mark mentioned it during the PS5 spec reveal. Said that we should have "no installs as you know them today"

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That is how patches work today - they're called delta updates; where the system only downloads the changes rather than replacing the entire file.
The issue with delta updates today is that you then have to rebuild the file with the changes, which takes time and requires enough space to store a second copy of the file.
When games have their files stored as archives which are tens of gigabytes in size, that can mean requiring almost double the size of the game itself - and taking a long time to apply the patch even if the download was small.

Where things are likely going to change for the PS5 is that with an SSD and a custom I/O controller you probably don't need to store game files in these huge archives that optimize their layout for HDD access any more.
You should be able to patch the file directly rather than applying the patch to a huge archive, and the SSD/CPU should be able to make quick work of it.

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Aren't they still slowing it down because of COVID?
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Avalon said:
I downloaded all 80 gigs of Final Fantasy VII Remake in 5 minutes. PSN isn't the problem here.

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That's literally impossible.
80 GB in 5 minutes would require a connection speed of ~2140 Mbps - and the PS4 only has gigabit Ethernet (~930 Mbps).
At a constant 589 Mbps it would take about 19 minutes to download 80 GB.
 

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You should worry more about consumer rights, starting with terrible/non-existing return and refund policy, rather than how fast you can give your money to Sony.
 
Novocaine

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I had some issues with PSN speeds but honestly the thing I'm more worried about is the fact that they download compressed files. Having to have around double the space of the file you downloaded so it can uncompress and copy is fucked. I'd rather take a little bit longer downloading than having to manage my hard drive like a fridge.
 
shadowsdarknes

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A bunch of people are already doing all digital or mostly all digital despite these issues already existing.

We can always advocate for a better, more consistent experience but going all digital on PS5 won't be a joke.
 
cowbanana

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The more hilarious part of an all digital console is new games being €72 on PSN, while a nice physical package with the same game + free next day delivery is €60.

These are the current digital vs. physical prices for Ghost of Tsushima.

People buying digital are being robbed while they get an inferior product tied to an account.
 
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