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Assassin’s Creed Odyssey’s latest DLC forces something on the player (open spoilers inside)
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Thanks for this.
OP I noticed you hate the game`and post about it each thread because it is not "pure" AC so why do you need to do this shit? You are not entitled to ruining the game for others because you dislike it so much. Please don't do this next time as people like the game and the direction the series is heading.
A huge plot point of Assassin's Creed post-Origins is that certain events, called nodes, forcibly happen no matter how much you try to resist them. If the simulation wants Kassandra/Alexios to have a child, it will conspire to make that happen. This doesn't necessarily contract the player agency Odyssey is going for.
With all due respect, this thread feels like you wanting to vent about how much you dislike the modern direction of Assassin's Creed, and using this divisive DLC plot point to do it.
A direct descendant is not necessary anymore, but Layla's heritage is unclear. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out she's connected in some way.
I don't think it's specifically anti-LGBT, it's just a very stupid choice to include it in the story.
What did people expected from Ubisoft and AC. They do whatever they think it is good whenever they think it is convenient to do it. It is just sad that players who complained about introduction of choice in AC games for legitimate reasons (it bends the lore) got bashed and then developers can't even stick to their design decisions and change things as they see it fit.
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I think its a really good Sword & Sandal RPG just a terrible Assassin's Creed. I am actually enjoying playing it, I just hate when companies bait and switch like this. Makes it worse when it perpetuates harmful stereotypes.
Cool, thanks for the clarification. I haven't played an Assassin's Creed game in a long time so the thread title confused me. I thought all the main characters had to have kids for the fiction to work.
Seems like Ubisoft has messed up with forcing this on the player if it wasn't essential for the fiction. Even if it was essential it seems like they could have done it a better way.
There is literally a trophy called "Growing Up".
It is insulting and offensive to the LGBT community that you should "Grow Up" and become straight.
They need to eliminate that trophy and patch this forced romance out of the game.
Also, this thread should be rebooted. It's an important issue that is just going to drown in posts complaining about the spoiler.
Did you even play the last two games? Animus doesn't work like that anymore, you don't need a descendant.
"Sword & Sandal RPG"
What makes this game worse than the other game's in the series? I have been playing the series since AC1 and 2 yet the series still feel like an AC game. What they did was evolve the franchise to what most people wanted it to become.
So how come the trophy is called the same for non-LGBT player characters? 🤔
Disappointing, does she at least object to it or is it a complete 180 out of nowhere?
How they didn't foresee this and make alternative endings is baffling.
How they didn't foresee this and make alternative endings is baffling.
Well screw this. Was planning on buying but not any more.
Why let you choose your character's actions and then take it all away?
People keep saying Ubi have killed it this gen but they've been so hit and miss it's not funny.
Why let you choose your character's actions and then take it all away?
People keep saying Ubi have killed it this gen but they've been so hit and miss it's not funny.
I love that on ERA people can just post spoilers of any thing they want in the thread/thread title without any warnings or bans.
Just a quick edit and we go back to the regular schedule!
Just a quick edit and we go back to the regular schedule!
I took the "Growing Up" part to imply that they should settle down and get out of the "sword-for-hire"/on the road type lifestyle.
In the first part of the dlc before all this romance stuff pops up Kassandra talks about creating a quiet home for herself because she's never had one.
Not saying there isn't a problem with what they've done with the forced romance, but I don't think the problem is with the trophy name.
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If shinobi602 agrees I'd be down for this. Stupid heat of the moment mistake on my part.
"Assassin's Creed Odyssey's latest DLC disregards the Player's sexuality and choice in a bad way (open spoilers)."
I truly don't think it's anti-LGBT.
It's just Ubisoft trying to advance the story without really thinking about the fact that they gave people choices in the the main game.
It's just Ubisoft trying to advance the story without really thinking about the fact that they gave people choices in the the main game.
Alexios/Kassandra are from a time way before the brotherhood (although they do deal with an early variant of the templars) and the modern day plot revolves around a modified animus that doesnt require a direct bloodline if you can acquire dna samples of the person whose memories you wish to inhabit (layla is not a descendant of the greek siblings or bayek/aya)
The entire setup of Origins/Odyssey feels completely set up so something like what happens in the dlc wouldnt be needed and yet here we are
I don't think Ubisoft have ever made retroactive narrative changes to their games. For example, some people didn't like the fact Far Cry 5
glassed the planet with nukes, killed all their favorite characters, then told players to their face they were responsible for the downfall of human civilization, while also slyly telling them that "This is the only way the story ends. Nothing you can do can change that," in drug visions.
Ubisoft are very responsive to gameplay feedback. Narrative feedback, not so much.
Where are you getting that broader notion from?
Because this conversation is pretty laser focused on how this particular forced decision takes agency away from the LGBT players, who had been told they would have the decision to define their own sexuality.
Your taking an issue and twisting it into something else, either because you want to delegitimise it, or because you don't understand it. The people who are upset by this aren't trying to force games to never have narratives which force a decision, they're simply complaining about how this particular instance of that erases their identity.
I don't think that means what you are implying. It is faaar more likely and realistic to think that they are refering to settling down and giving up the mercenary life than turning straight.
Having a child is silly and out of character, calling the trophy "Growing Up" is super tonedeaf, but canonizing a certain sexuality on a character that had their sexuality, up to this point, entirely defined by player choice, is the shitty part, imho.
Imagine if Ubisoft canonically made people's straight Alexios have gay romantic sex for plot reasons. Imagine the uproar.
But hey, they can canonically make (your) gay Kassandra have straight sex ... because?
Personally, "my" Kassandra fucked each and every possible candidate, so it doesn't really hurt my immersion, but i'm sure there's plenty of people who played the game as a lesbian Kassandra.
Imagine if Ubisoft canonically made people's straight Alexios have gay romantic sex for plot reasons. Imagine the uproar.
But hey, they can canonically make (your) gay Kassandra have straight sex ... because?
Personally, "my" Kassandra fucked each and every possible candidate, so it doesn't really hurt my immersion, but i'm sure there's plenty of people who played the game as a lesbian Kassandra.
They need to rewrite this dlc and patch the heck out of it immediatly. I get the line "maybe you haven't met the right man yet" all the time. Don't force my character who you said we could choose the orientation of to go that route.
I hate this.
I hate this.
User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing concerns surrounding inclusivity and representation
Honestly you've got no right to be offended. Its Assassin's Creed. It's premise doesn't fit player choice. You're reliving memories and through some plot contrivances can maybe affect them? But not really. Plus every game with player choice forces a decision/multiple on you. At the end of the day your character exists to serve the plot of the game, no matter what you specifically want.
I think the basis for it is that it was sold through developer interviews as affording players the opportunity to express their own sexuality through their character's choice in partners, if they so desired. Personally in game, it always felt to me like it really leaned into a bisexual protagonist, and this doesn't betray that at all, but I completely understand people who bought into the ideas that the game was sold on in its prerelease PR feeling let down or betrayed by it.
That the developers can choose to do this does not make it immune from criticism.
Damn, seems OP spoiled the shit out of the DLC for a lot of people!
I didn't play the latest AssCreed but it's a shame they made a big deal about a female playable character and then force this route upon them. One step forwards, two steps back.
I didn't play the latest AssCreed but it's a shame they made a big deal about a female playable character and then force this route upon them. One step forwards, two steps back.
Before the game releases "Wow we finally get good LGBT characters if we would like to! Great job Ubisoft!"
Game releases "Wow they really did what they said! Great step!"
DLC releases with forced decision that you need to make a baby "Ughh fuck the spoiler in the thread. It's also Ubisofts decision!"
What? Ubisoft fucked up.
Game releases "Wow they really did what they said! Great step!"
DLC releases with forced decision that you need to make a baby "Ughh fuck the spoiler in the thread. It's also Ubisofts decision!"
What? Ubisoft fucked up.
To be fair they kept their word for the extent of the main game Alexios/Kassandra stick to your choices. DLC seems like they realized how that....doesn't work 12 games into a serialized franchise and started pushing some plot forward. Again I'm not sure the outrage is valid. And I'm positive that it won't change.
This is bullshit and you know it. The whole excuse that it's their narrative negates all player choice to begin with.
Also the fact that you were able to shift into people you weren't descendants of made lgb characters possible
They are if you want that trophy.
"Here's a trophy in God of War that you can only get if Kratos bangs a dude."
ERA wouldn't survive the uproar.
As long as that includes removing your borderline inappropriate posts on this subject too.
But you get that same trophy even playing as a straight player.
Aaaaand that erases all interest I had in the game! Nice one ubisoft
Youre not allowed to advertise player choice in sexuality and then force a heterosexual romance on them.
Is it political correctness gone mad?
Say it's political correctness gone mad.
No it isnt, this game literally introduces that the player characters dont
I'm sure you would say the same if your straight Alexios suddenly had to fuck a man to progress the story.
I think they could've chose or not chose to pursue this for the DLC. I don't think there was anything at all obligating or necessitating them to write Kassandra or Alexios explicitly settling down with a character of the opposite gender. I also agree that they won't change it. But I think they'll likely take it into consideration when designing future storylines.
Ubisoft will remember this.
Read the OP.
The people who this is upsetting already played the game.
They'd have to unplay it.
I was surprised someone would make a title like that but then I seen who the OP is.
On topic if this happens then it doesn't bother me as I haven't really been bothering with the romance in this game. Can see why it would annoy some people though.
It's just a bad choice by Ubisoft but they are normally very good so I would cut them some slack.
On topic if this happens then it doesn't bother me as I haven't really been bothering with the romance in this game. Can see why it would annoy some people though.
It's just a bad choice by Ubisoft but they are normally very good so I would cut them some slack.
Thats fine when you arent giving representation to a minority only to rip it from them
