This is where I am at. Very disappointing to see. Hope dude is better sooner than later, damn shame.
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This is where I am at. Very disappointing to see. Hope dude is better sooner than later, damn shame.
Not sure what that has to do with my post. No one is defending hate crimes or justifying racism.
Anti-black people are always going to attempt to shame black people regardless. Worrying about what "white conservatives" think is a fool's errand. If there wasn't a story about a black person committing a crime today, they would spread hate about our dress, looks, music. They're always going to hate black people. Fuck em.
It's more constructive speak out against hate crimes and racism against Asians and other PoC, when these hate crimes occur.
There has certainly been a huge uptick in attacks in Canada as well, albeit mostly not nearly as violent
Reports of Anti-Asian hate crimes are surging in Canada during the COVID-19 pandemic | CTV News
If you don't think it would help and even think make things worse then why are we suggesting people to do things that will make things worse and not help them? People arming themselves to deal with this issue isn't the solution.
people are arming up regardless of what anyone is telling them.
Asian Americans are buying guns in the wake of recent attacks, but community leaders say that's not the way to prevent hate crimes | CNN
Some Asian Americans are buying guns for the first time as attacks fuel fear across the nation, but advocates say firearms are not the solution.
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People are are gonna do it out of fear one way or another. I'm saying telling people "no wait, stop that might turn out bad" without offering an alternative is not helpful in the slightest.
THIS!!!
But ERA isn't ready to have that very difficult conversation, and I have no faith that the moderation team here can even handle it.
I'm still pissed that a poster here got a permaban for posting the the Homer-Simpson-backing-into-a-hedge.GIF to point out ERA's abysmal state of affairs in handling crimes against Asians by other POC. That poster was accused by another poster of being anti-Black, and down came the permaban hammer.
SF is all kinds of fucked up. I've been jumped several times in the last 15 years. Once in the pan handle walking home from a bar. Another time in the avenues a car pulled up and bunch people got out and mugged my girlfriend and myself. lastly in the mission for wearing a blue hat in a norteno claimed street in the Mission (they wouldn't have bothered me if I was white). The SFPD don't give a shit unless it makes it on TV.
In fact I'd say if it's done poorly and often enough all it does is get people to not listen to you.
SF has always been heavy in racial tensions. Im not sure why this is just catching on , and to the Bolded Norteno's have jumped plenty of white folks back in the early 2000's. The only time it became safe for white folks in the Mission district was when heavy gentrification came down. But not to digress race relations out here has always been rocky in Bay Area. It has steadily improved though i will say that , especially among Black & South East Asians in Oakland
I will be real with everyone here. I have dealt with a ton of racism here in America. Does not matter if I was born here, I was different. I felt the hatred at a very young age. My family moved to a small town in Texas. We were one of two Asian families in this small town. I was met with racial slurs and physical violence. I was fighting groups of racist punks often time 1 on 5. I still remember clear as day, one of the fights went from outside school to a few hundred yards and ended up in a Church.
Pastor broke it up, and I will never forget, turn to me and said why did I provoke them and what did I do and that he will call the police on me. That mentally broke me, this damn adult saw one kid vs 5 and put the blame on me. I never fully recover from that, I was always angry, always ready to rip someone's head off. If anyone slights me in any way I react with extreme prejudice. And I know for a fact it all stems from that. Sure that has subsided but it all came back. 30 fucking years in this country, and I am hit with the same fucking feeling that happen almost 20 years ago.
If some of you know or remember. I was again assaulted at the start of this pandemic. I won't go into details but I laided that bitch out. Sure I said I did it to protect my son who was with me, but I will be real, I was looking to hurt this mother fucker. And ever since then I been on edge. Everywhere I go now, I assume some asshole is going to harm me and my family. I look mean, and I look like I am ready to rip someone's face off every time I step out this door. I am ready to fight at a moment's notice, and I fucking hate it.
I find myself snapping at people now. Everyone that approaches me now I see as a threat. I hate it. A dude came up to me the other day just to ask for the time or something simple like that and I immediately took a defensive position. He was taken back by it and said there was no way he would fuck with me because I look like I was ready to murder someone. I hate feeling like this. And every time I tell myself I need to chill the fuck out. I see more and more violence. Yeah it's not stopping, so I am not stopping. Fuck this world.
Pastor broke it up, and I will never forget, turn to me and said why did I provoke them and what did I do and that he will call the police on me. That mentally broke me, this damn adult saw one kid vs 5 and put the blame on me. I never fully recover from that, I was always angry, always ready to rip someone's head off. If anyone slights me in any way I react with extreme prejudice. And I know for a fact it all stems from that. Sure that has subsided but it all came back. 30 fucking years in this country, and I am hit with the same fucking feeling that happen almost 20 years ago.
If some of you know or remember. I was again assaulted at the start of this pandemic. I won't go into details but I laided that bitch out. Sure I said I did it to protect my son who was with me, but I will be real, I was looking to hurt this mother fucker. And ever since then I been on edge. Everywhere I go now, I assume some asshole is going to harm me and my family. I look mean, and I look like I am ready to rip someone's face off every time I step out this door. I am ready to fight at a moment's notice, and I fucking hate it.
I find myself snapping at people now. Everyone that approaches me now I see as a threat. I hate it. A dude came up to me the other day just to ask for the time or something simple like that and I immediately took a defensive position. He was taken back by it and said there was no way he would fuck with me because I look like I was ready to murder someone. I hate feeling like this. And every time I tell myself I need to chill the fuck out. I see more and more violence. Yeah it's not stopping, so I am not stopping. Fuck this world.
people are arming up regardless of what anyone is telling them.
Asian Americans are buying guns in the wake of recent attacks, but community leaders say that's not the way to prevent hate crimes | CNN
Some Asian Americans are buying guns for the first time as attacks fuel fear across the nation, but advocates say firearms are not the solution.
Of course people are doing it and there's very little we can do about people making their own choices there but what we do have control over is the messaging and what we say to people here. Purposefully advocating here that people should arm themselves in order to deal with the situations going on here is just bad advice and not something we should be pushing here. You can see in this thread people are pushing for people to arm themselves.
Of course people are going to do it but that doesn't mean we as a community should be advocating it. The fact is there aren't good solutions here but not having a solution doesn't mean we should be advocating bad advice because there are no good solutions. The advice is flat out bad and wrong and we should be dissuading people from making a bad choice like this out of fear and even just as important we should be shutting down people advocating that advice as a solution.
No words. I'm so sorry for your experiences, but that isn't enough. I hope somehow we can improve as a country, but I often feel pretty bleak about it. All I can say is that I won't stop trying. This breaks my heart.
I'm strictly referring to guns and knives. I have no qualms with things like pepper spray, mace, and things of the sort. I just think people advocating that people should arm themselves with deadly weapons is just going to give them a false sense of security that wouldn't have stopped these events from happening to begin with and could likely have just made things worse in the process.
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On the subject, one of my very best friends over the last decade was Indian from New York. 1st generation American (? He was born here; parents immigrated) and hooooo boy did he have an endless wellspring of stories about Indian and Asian racism with regard to how they (those he knew, generally his parents generation) viewed and would behave towards black people. He pretty much told me that he more or less needed to bring home an Indian woman to marry, but he could bring home an Asian or white woman and that would be okay. But a Hispanic or — god forbid — a black woman and he would be immediately disowned. His father was a store owner and how he would talk about black and Hispanics (or in some cases other Indians) was bad enough to make Trump blush. Exposure to other communities in high school and his friendship why me is what helped him avoid buying into those stereotypes.
The root of all of that thought is white supremacy. The same white supremacy that created the Caste system and similar hierarchies that pit communities against each other to take advantage of all of them. The reach of white supremacy and its impact is vast. Pitting people with more in common than not against each other has been its modus operandi for hundreds of years.
I hope he gets caught, shit stain of a human.
Fuck all this hatred, fucking cowards hurt other people for no fucking reason.
Fuck all this hatred, fucking cowards hurt other people for no fucking reason.
I know firsthand that black folk weren't immune from falling for Trump's bullshit (or already thinking along the same lines as him).
Trash.
Now I'm obviously not advocating that we don't talk about it since keeping the convo going helps many, but I swear this shit is completely ineffective against people who would resort to violence like this. Time and time again we see that quite a few people don't listen to facts period and do fucking whatever with no/minimum empathy. We can talk about it and have convos all day but it feels like violent people are going to find an excuse to choose violence regardless and that shit is wack.
Continuing to feed money into the gun industry doesn't feel like a great option either, just feels like (for those of us living in America) digging ourselves in an already near escapable hole we find ourselves in. I'm not 100% completely against arming yourself with guns here but man does it feel like a cruel trap. 100% down for other defensive options though like mace, pepper spray, tasers, etc... not just for people who are seeing an increase in violence, but potential bystanders to violence too so they have safer options to interfere in case they are witness to it.
Yep, stupidity is a human trait not exclusive to any race. Just read any history from pretty much anywhere. You don't have to go back far either, 2020 has plenty of examples.
This shit just sucks though.
Now I'm obviously not advocating that we don't talk about it since keeping the convo going helps many, but I swear this shit is completely ineffective against people who would resort to violence like this. Time and time again we see that quite a few people don't listen to facts period and do fucking whatever with no/minimum empathy. We can talk about it and have convos all day but it feels like violent people are going to find an excuse to choose violence regardless and that shit is wack.
Continuing to feed money into the gun industry doesn't feel like a great option either, just feels like (for those of us living in America) digging ourselves in an already near escapable hole we find ourselves in. I'm not 100% completely against arming yourself with guns here but man does it feel like a cruel trap. 100% down for other defensive options though like mace, pepper spray, tasers, etc... not just for people who are seeing an increase in violence, but potential bystanders to violence too so they have safer options to interfere in case they are witness to it.
Yep, stupidity is a human trait not exclusive to any race. Just read any history from pretty much anywhere. You don't have to go back far either, 2020 has plenty of examples.
This shit just sucks though.
Education and proper exposure to a wider/broader/more global perspective helps. It's not a minority issue but more a poverty/education/class issue, and applies to white people as well.
If minority groups stay in their own ethnic bubbles and racist white people stay in their own bubbles then these prejudices and racist behaviors/attitudes will not change. It's why things like social media are so toxic to exaggerating these behaviors.
I have a friend of South-Asian descent who took issue with your post, and since he doesn't have an era account, I offered to post his response. Obviously I take responsibility for any moderation that comes about because of it.
I appreciate your friend's thoughts. I am so tired of westerners shoe-horning their own politics to "analyse" other countries
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I never understand how USA works man. Glad I don't live there.
Edit: By the way forgot to write down something that my Vietnamese colleague who told me other day that his brother who lives in the states was attacked on the street out of nowhere with melee weapons by three black men, but he managed to dodge a few hits and pulled out his gun killed one of them and wounded the other two.
Dunno what would have happened if he didn't have a gun. But blood was spilled and someone died because of this mess. I don't understand why Black people are attacking Asians randomly though (I live in Europe)
Edit: By the way forgot to write down something that my Vietnamese colleague who told me other day that his brother who lives in the states was attacked on the street out of nowhere with melee weapons by three black men, but he managed to dodge a few hits and pulled out his gun killed one of them and wounded the other two.
Dunno what would have happened if he didn't have a gun. But blood was spilled and someone died because of this mess. I don't understand why Black people are attacking Asians randomly though (I live in Europe)
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A bit annoying to see how quickly a post saying they don't like seeing Black people in general involved in these hate crime attacks, has turned into a...
...discussion overall, promoting the idea that most of/many of these attacks have involved Black people from reading the thread.
Stop Blaming Black People for Anti-Asian Hate
All good people should be furious at this spate of attacks. But what we shouldn't do is use it as an excuse to blame Black people, as some have done.
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As other posters have said in the thread, Black people are people/not a monolith. Black people in the US are not immune to things like Fake information/Trump's bullshit/White supremacist ideas/committing crimes/hate/etc... and it's unfortunate to see a Black person involved in attacks like in the OP. But that's not an excuse for this thread to drive discussion into theories/giving the impression from reading the thread that Black people are the majority of/the face of these attacks.
Theories/discussions like this are also a big reason why Black people in the US, in general do not like seeing any negative representation of Black people on the news/etc... ("Please don't be Black, please don't be Black..."), because a handful of individuals doing crimes/terrible actions very quickly turns into a "Problem with the entire Black community" for many people.
It was just a matter of time I suppose. Everyone turns on us given a long enough timeline. Look out for your own, because if you couldn't tell already we don't have allies.
Everything here is spot on.A bit annoying to see how quickly a post saying they don't like seeing Black people in general involved in these hate crime attacks, has turned into a...
...discussion overall, promoting the idea that most of/many of these attacks have involved Black people from reading the thread.
Stop Blaming Black People for Anti-Asian Hate
All good people should be furious at this spate of attacks. But what we shouldn't do is use it as an excuse to blame Black people, as some have done.
As other posters have said in the thread, Black people are people/not a monolith. Black people in the US are not immune to things like Fake information/Trump's bullshit/White supremacist ideas/committing crimes/hate/etc... and it's unfortunate to see a Black person involved in attacks like in the OP. But that's not an excuse for this thread to drive discussion into theories/giving the impression from reading the thread that Black people are the majority of/the face of these attacks.
Theories/discussions like this are also a big reason why Black people in the US, in general do not like seeing any negative representation of Black people on the news/etc... ("Please don't be Black, please don't be Black..."), because a handful of individuals doing crimes/terrible actions very quickly turns into a "Problem with the entire Black community" for many people.
i really don't like this idea that just a black person is doing something that indicates a racial problem.
I'll pass that on to the next elderly Asian person beat in the head with a hammer or nearly stabbed to death thanks.
I'm not saying its anti-Asian hate not happening, but im disputing this problem its necessarily a black vs asian problem.
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*looks around*
Who else is doing it? Who else are attacking Asians with almost comical levels of violence while everyone just kind of looks around and says "Hey dudes Mortal Kombat is about Asians right? AAPI Month! FLAWLESS VITORY lol right? Right?..... no?"
Why is there no conversation happening about an obvious problem that is happening before our eyes?
African-American community not responsible for Asian hate crimes: The lie gives White Supremacy a pass
There’s a dangerous myth which continues to circulate in the media over the last few weeks. It’s a myth because it’s false, and amounts to dangerously misleading propaganda that could significantly and negatively impact Black people.
www.presstv.com
Someone else had a better link, but I can't find it again, anti-Asian hate crimes have risen among all racial groups, the majority is not done by black people. And again, there is this narrative of portraying a act by a individual of a minority group as casting blame on everyone in that minority group, which i completely reject.
Yes, us negroes best discuss these matters and know our place.
Trump may have fueled Sinophobia and racial themes with Covid, but it's the blacks that are the problem.
I'll let the others know about this, Facehugger.
The "you are a victim of this, you should known better" i think is an unicorn.
Just wanna raise light that racists think of people in monolithic terms like this, with the us vs. them mentality. It's *some*, not *all* black folk committing these crimes, similar to how *some*, not *all* Asian folk have predatory businesses (just an example of some criticism against Asians). This is crucial distinction, this is nuance if you want to be productive rather than reductive.
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Your link uses Tariq Nasheed of all people for a quote. Maybe try again.African-American community not responsible for Asian hate crimes: The lie gives White Supremacy a pass
There’s a dangerous myth which continues to circulate in the media over the last few weeks. It’s a myth because it’s false, and amounts to dangerously misleading propaganda that could significantly and negatively impact Black people.
Someone else had a better link, but I can't find it again, anti-Asian hate crimes have risen among all racial groups, the majority is not done by black people. And again, there is this narrative of portraying a act by a individual of a minority group as casting blame on everyone in that minority group, which i completely reject.
The basic premise may be justified, but that doesn't change the fact that, in most of these videos, the perpetrators of most of these violent attacks on Asian Americans or people they think are Asian Americans are visibly from a certain demographic. So even if actual statistics tell a different story it's hard to make abstract numbers beat out something you can actually see if your eyes.
I think you have to be careful here. Because several of the higher profile (highest profile) recent incidents of violence against AAPI peoples in the US have not been committed by Black people, and that bears remembering.
That isn't to say that Black people have not been susceptive to racist ideas and/or perceptions of Asian people and have acted violently on them. Unfortunately, that has happened. But framing this specifically as a Black problem...I dunno, misses the forest for the trees? And really just hampers productive discussion of supremacist/bigoted motivated violence that is currently plaguing both of our communities.
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I understand your pain as someone who grew up as a visible Black Muslim girl in a post 9/11 world, but this isn't it. There are many Black activists who stand in unity with the Asian community, even last year during BLM protests over the George Floyd murder which had Asian police officers involved. The idea that Black and Asian community cannot be allies, or that Black people are the only ones commiting hate crimes against Asians, is feeding into white supremacy and benefits none of us. My heart hurts for the Asian community all over the world, but I'm just saying we should focus on empathy for the victims and working towards solutions and not whatever this post is.
The pieces of shit who commit these hate crimes should all face justice.
you for real bro?
you really skipped over all of the news reports of white people attacking Asian people to ask "who else but the blacks?" are doing this?
the irony here is really striking.
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The same reason we don't need a conversation about the entire Asian community when cops who happen to be Asian/from the Asian community kill Black people, as an example. The posters on this forum are "normally" intelligent enough to know that terrible people that happen to be from a community =/= the entire community and "normally" focus on the actual problem, especially when the majority of attacks/the most high profile attacks are not coming from said community.
But again, as I said in my post two days ago that you ignored when you bumped this two days old thread for "some reason", the Black community is very aware of what happens when a few "negative examples" are shown on the news/TV and how quickly that can represent "everyone" in the community for some individuals, and posts like this are exactly why the Black community will continue to have those concerns.
Edit: I got too heated when I wrote the original post below and misrepresented my intentions. I meant that I was more sad to see it happening because of my own personal experience dealing with racism and abuse in america and it was painful to me on a personal level to see it happen as it always stings like a step back in progress even though I realize not a single person (or small handful) represent the whole of any race. I apologize for getting upset and posting too quickly without thinking my post through as that's not something I normally do.
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