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Ashton Kutcher explains why shouting "All Lives Matter" is missing the point
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Nice to see people comment 'I was one of those people, not anymore' - this is why this outpouring of support works.
I actually don't know about this. I agree that most do it with bad intentions or in bad faith, but there are some people who don't comment but think to themselves "Well yeah, all lives do matter. So why is that controversial?" Those quiet people that can be changed are the ones these comments like from Kutcher are reaching.
This constant explanation of why all lives matter is a bad response to black lives matter has become ubiquitous with the discussion of race, and that's only because we keep talking about it. So I welcome this video.
We know that. This is for the people who say it with "good intentions".
Got into an argument with someone here about this the other day, they basically said that people from outside the US are using "All Lives Matter" without knowing the context.
My thought was that they can figure out the context and stop saying it.
Include me on that. First time I saw it I thought "Yes. Why is this controversial?".
It took me a second look to understand the context, and how its use was full of bad intentions.
sounds like Kutcher should make a podcast. "why black lives matter and other obvious shit i have to explain to my children and 'good' white people who somehow just don't get it still in 2020"
Ignorant people? Who knows though what the percentage of genuinely good, ignorant people actually is but I think it's horribly pessimistic to think 100% of everyone who says All Lives Matter is an actual irredeemable racist.
It's 2020 my dude, people have had a lot of time to figure it out. all lives matter is 100% a racist slogan
It has to be explained over and over and over, it's pretty frustrating and I'm pretty much convinced that only willfully ignorant/racist people are still spouting it.
The follow up is always black people killing black people(All races kill their own races more then other races) and white people get shot by the police more(Despite Black people making up 13% of the country and white people making up over 50%).
The follow up is always black people killing black people(All races kill their own races more then other races) and white people get shot by the police more(Despite Black people making up 13% of the country and white people making up over 50%).
I'm sure a lot of people are well intentioned because they misinterpret the phrase as black lives matter more than their lives.
I've known people who said it with good intentions and didn't know why it was bad to say it.
I think ignorant people or folks that hasn't spent the time rubbing a couple of brain cells on the topic. I had an experience with a good friend of mine while we were both studying philosophy as undergrads.
When the whole thing blew up back in 2015-2016, he had an argument with a mutual friend of ours, she was arguing why #BLM matters, he (not a dumb guy mind you) didn't understand why this isn't a case of all lives matter.
I had to ask him about his privilege, compared to the treatment that black men get in comparison to himself from police and other instutions. He took some time to mull on it, and eventually was able to recognize why #BLM is a means of highlighting systemic racism towards black folks.
He's legitimately a good dude, but he needed to be put on task to actually think about the situation contextually to finally understand why #BLK is an important movement for civil rights.
Which I can see how some people just doesn't know why #all lives matter tone deaf as a response.
they don't misinterpret that. They are just racists arguing in bad faith.
#AllLivesMatter exists as a counter to BLM
People do say it with good intentions. They just don't know how to read without putting themselves into the center of the sentence. So, they hear, "Hey white person, black lives matter!" And they think, "But doesn't mine?"
But they all do that out of the privilege of always have been at the center of everything. And this is why we have to keep explaining this. Over and over and over and over. Even when you doubt their intentions.
I think some people are smart enough to see their privilege, and I think you have to disassemble it through repetition of the obvious for others.
But they all do that out of the privilege of always have been at the center of everything. And this is why we have to keep explaining this. Over and over and over and over. Even when you doubt their intentions.
I think some people are smart enough to see their privilege, and I think you have to disassemble it through repetition of the obvious for others.
Generalisation is never right, even if small minority of them don't understand it educating those people is only beneficial to the cause imo.
It may seem simple to us, but there are plenty of uninformed people who need these sorts of explanations.
Sure, MOST people going out there and screaming "all lives matter" are racist fucks. But the ones who don't pay as much attention as they should definitely need this kinda thing
Sure, MOST people going out there and screaming "all lives matter" are racist fucks. But the ones who don't pay as much attention as they should definitely need this kinda thing
Some people live in a racist bubble. In their bubble they're fighting some sort of bogeyman that is taking away their voice in this world. We see it for exactly what it is when they post all lives matter. In their heads they're doing the right thing. They need people to reach out to them and unteach hate. Hate is very powerful when it grabs you.
Others know exactly what they're doing when they post All Lives Matter.
Both of these instances exist and both need help from spewing hate.
Racism with or without intent.
Doesnt make someone an idiot for not quite understanding things.
Not all "all lives matter" people are racists, I understand why people see it and go.. "isnt that better? Why do X matter more?". Educate them, dont just assume they are racist and get your hate on. Being an asshole doesnt help anyone.
Not all "all lives matter" people are racists, I understand why people see it and go.. "isnt that better? Why do X matter more?". Educate them, dont just assume they are racist and get your hate on. Being an asshole doesnt help anyone.
Yeah, I mean... the warning to not eat the frozen pizza as-is on the box is there for those kinds of people.
Who does that? Given how long BLM has been around there is no way those people have never heard the simple refutation to "all lives matter." They have - they just don't accept it and they continue to imply saying "black lives matter" is equivalent to saying "only black lives matter." There are no good intentions. Those people are racist trash.
I dont wanna derail because Im glad the word is getting out but I dont think I was ready for aged Ashton Kutcher
Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis conveying a message of "Girls go first" to their children in relation to why "All lives matter" is racist tripe would be really poignant if it weren't for the fact these two have firmly stood by Danny Masterson who has infamously been under investigation for multiple rapes, they were partying with him at a wedding just last summer:
www.mercurynews.com
Ashton Kutcher criticized for partying with rape suspect Danny Masterson at Napa Valley wedding
One of Danny Masterson’s accusers said she was “heartbroken” that self-described #MeToo supporter Ashton Kutcher has stayed friends with his former co-star.
www.mercurynews.com
Well there you go. Understandable.
Um...sure? I don't quite understand your point with this post. If you're saying "this shit doesn't need to be explained" then I don't know what to tell you, because for many people it does.
based on my own anecdotal experience? the same boomers who get fooled by obviously fake news all the time. some of them live in a coddled bubble, only seeing information about the movement through the prism of social media and never interacting with the human beings surrounding the movement.
I would not be surprised if most of the people saying "all lives matter" are racist cunts who know exactly what they are doing, I'm just not convinced it is all of them.
btw I've long had a disdain for Ashton Kutcher but I do appreciate that someone like him is voicing support right now because I suspect he has a lot of conservatives in his fanbase. those people are the most in need of hearing that stuff.
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We have people in this thread admitting that they used to not know why "All lives matter" was controversial, or that they knew people who still don't know why it's controversial.
So yes, while a lot of the people who shout it do so to shut black people up and perpetuate racism, I'm still happy if some of the people who genuinely don't know how disrespectful and condescending that phrase is learn why it's a horrible phrase. I'm all for white people educating other white people instead of it being the black person's burden to do so.
So yes, while a lot of the people who shout it do so to shut black people up and perpetuate racism, I'm still happy if some of the people who genuinely don't know how disrespectful and condescending that phrase is learn why it's a horrible phrase. I'm all for white people educating other white people instead of it being the black person's burden to do so.
Even if that is your view, it's a naive and hateful one. I have never seen a movement toward justice for all succeed by being exclusionary. People who are walled off by resentment are terrible opponents of hatred. You lose nothing by repeatedly teaching an idiot. You lose a lot when you don't let them into your planned utopia.
I was listening to NPR callers last night.
Some white people out there actually believe that black people will hurt them and their fellow white people if their pain and anger is fully acknowledged.
They believe there is some retribution/reckoning and that they will be attacked. They call on black people to address black racists.
I was both shocked and awed.
Yes it is hateful, I'm proud of that and it's hateful for a very good fucking reason. If it were up to me I'd Thanos-snap every racist, white supremacist, nazi and fascist from this planet and not think twice before doing it.
What's really naive is continuing to give these people the benefit of the doubt, as if "black lives matter" is a slogan that just came into existence and these "all lives matter" fuckers haven't heard the explanation as to why it's problematic.
I've encountered and talked to multiple people in real life recently who didn't understand why All Lives Matter is offensive. In most cases, they are just plain ignorant. There are definitely multiple types of ignorant, those because it's convenient to them, those who aren't and pretend to be, and those who just live in a bubble and don't know what we already know. In many cases, just having a calm and civil 20 minute conversation got through to them. Don't think of someone as a lost cause until you actually try to change them. If they're hostel and won't listen to reason, that's different, but if you actually know the person, that typically won't happen. Most people will typically just match whatever candor you approach this situation with, it's easier than you think. When you blow them off and get angry, of course it's not going to go well. I've had it multiple times over the past couple of days with all of this being on the forefront. I really like what he's doing here. I think he has the reach and the demographic to actually get through to a lot of people who just wouldn't listen otherwise.
All Lives Matter is obviously based around a racist dog whistle.
Though, I honestly think that there are alot of white guys out there with a kind of victim complex. Instead of hearing stuff like BlackLivesMatter and BelieveWoman, they instead hear WhiteLivesDontMatter and DontBelieveMen. Like they take all criticism that could potentially apply to them, take it as a personal attack and become incredibly defensive. I think trying to hammer home the meaning of BLM could actually do a bit of good for these sorts of people.
Though, I honestly think that there are alot of white guys out there with a kind of victim complex. Instead of hearing stuff like BlackLivesMatter and BelieveWoman, they instead hear WhiteLivesDontMatter and DontBelieveMen. Like they take all criticism that could potentially apply to them, take it as a personal attack and become incredibly defensive. I think trying to hammer home the meaning of BLM could actually do a bit of good for these sorts of people.
Me too. This is why we need to talk to people about these things and try and make them understand.
I've had to explain it a few times to people, and I always have to explain it as "Yes all lives matter, but black lives have to matter first before all lives can matter" and people tend to understand it more and join the cause.
A lot of people truly don't understand. It doesn't matter how long it has been. It's been really easy to not follow, especially when it HAS been drowned by actual racists out there. They are REALLY seeing now for the first time thanks to the protests and riots and they see it as x is better than x, and you have to calmly explain it to them to get it, and a lot of them do get it.
But so many people(just look at this thread) jump straight to shouting racist, instead of explaining it and giving a real chance to understand. You explain it, and they still refuse to comply and be a supporter? Go right ahead. But people truly are ignorant and have never had it explained.
This is a really good explanation, very clearly worded and makes perfect sense.
I must admit, it wasn't until somewhat recently that I understood why some groups need to be lifted up more than others.
I thought "why not just lift everyone up the same".
Its because if the scales are tipped against something, the only way to equalize it is to add more weight to one side.
#blacklivesmatter
I must admit, it wasn't until somewhat recently that I understood why some groups need to be lifted up more than others.
I thought "why not just lift everyone up the same".
Its because if the scales are tipped against something, the only way to equalize it is to add more weight to one side.
#blacklivesmatter
You'd think there would be introspection if your opinion on minorities keeps aligning with white supremacists. Time and time again.
People are sick of that constant alignment. Especially when it can't be any clearer what the point of discussion is.
I know liberals who have said all lives matter. Its so damned weird.
Its racist. But folks don't realize it. That is the case for mannny people . Which again is odd due to the guy in the KKK saying the same thing with hate in his eyebrows.
People are sick of that constant alignment. Especially when it can't be any clearer what the point of discussion is.
I know liberals who have said all lives matter. Its so damned weird.
Its racist. But folks don't realize it. That is the case for mannny people . Which again is odd due to the guy in the KKK saying the same thing with hate in his eyebrows.
Many people abroad don't even know why BLM is an actual thing, so they also think saying ALM is actually something positive. Education can go a long way for many
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no one ever said "all lives matter" before black lives matter
it has always been a way to shut people up about injustice to black Americans and nothing other than that.
at some point, you guys have to stop making excuses for racists
I'm just glad a white man is doing the work to educate other white people rather than someone black using their energy against these brick walls who have already had this explained to them for years though various cute web comics and every other avenue
it has always been a way to shut people up about injustice to black Americans and nothing other than that.
at some point, you guys have to stop making excuses for racists
I'm just glad a white man is doing the work to educate other white people rather than someone black using their energy against these brick walls who have already had this explained to them for years though various cute web comics and every other avenue
This. Why can't a lot of posters here get this? My family in Guatemala ain't exactly up to speed to what's going on because they have their worries (number 1 being they're poor as fuck so they can't even access the internet all that much) but me and my sister have explained it to them in the way how us Americans see it. My grandma said "ALM" but in Spanish because she's a religious lady but has no hatred in her body. It's hard to change her mind but you have to find ways of explaining it in a way they get it; and if they're truly good people they will eventually understand. I am willing to talk to people and see what their intentions are, and while mostly a lot who use this phrase in America are racists piece of shits deep down, not all are especially those not familiar with the situation here in the states.
This is great for people who are just unaware. Some say it with good intentions, not knowing what it's like from a black person perspective.
You have to understand that sometimes, white people that don't get it are around dumb white family/friends and think it's okay and are never taught or educated the right way on this issue.
I get his point of view and I think we need more of this to educate white folk.
You have to understand that sometimes, white people that don't get it are around dumb white family/friends and think it's okay and are never taught or educated the right way on this issue.
I get his point of view and I think we need more of this to educate white folk.