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Conditional-Pancakes

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Arnold Schwarzenegger posts scathing anti-Trump speech

Longtime Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger compares U.S. Capitol riot to the rise of Nazi Germany in anti-Trump speech
The surprisingly well-produced video—which is over seven-minutes long, includes a number of cuts and camera moves, and even has a swelling background track—features Schwarzenegger in full movie star mode, making what is essentially a dramatic "we will not back down" address to the nation. It's the sort of speech that countless movie presidents have made, except this time the threat to the United States is the president himself, leaving movie stars to pick up the slack. It's weird in the way that everything is weird now, but also… oddly effective.
 

tusharngf

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So if I travelled back in time to my 16 year old self to tell him that in Jan 2021 POTUS Donald Trump had staged a failed coup attempt during a worldwide pandemic and one of his most cogent adversaries was former Governor Arnold Schwartzanegger I'm pretty certain that I would conclude something drastically perverse had happened to the timeline, like beyond a sports almanac...
 

Conditional-Pancakes

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So if I travelled back in time to my 16 year old self to tell him that in Jan 2021 POTUS Donald Trump had staged a failed coup attempt during a worldwide pandemic and one of his most cogent adversaries was former Governor Arnold Schwartzanegger I'm pretty certain that I would conclude something drastically perverse had happened to the timeline, like beyond a sports almanac...

LMAO!!
 

Dark Ninja

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Damn thats a really nice camera they are filming him with or they did a 4k video and scaled it down to 1080
 

KillingJoke

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Getting tired of all these healing statements. It's code for "just get over it". Fuck that.

A bunch of terrorist's killing their own people with no regrets and is willing to attack again at any given moment. NOTHING done to all the government official's and their minions who provoked this. Lock all those fuckers up first and then we'll talk about healing. And no, twitter bans don't count.
 

awake4ages

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Squarehard

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Getting tired of all these healing statements. It's code for "just get over it". Fuck that.

A bunch of terrorist's killing their own people with no regrets and is willing to attack again at any given moment. NOTHING done to all the government official's and their minions who provoked this. Lock all those fuckers up first and then we'll talk about healing. And no, twitter bans don't count.
Did you just like fast forward to the end of the video or something?

He talks about this in the middle of the video.
 

KillingJoke

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Did you just like fast forward to the end of the video or something?

He talks about this in the middle of the video.

I know but saying we should do it isn't the same as getting it done. It's hard to heal when GOP is already pushing to reject the impeachment and still debated the electoral votes after a terrorist attack.
 

1.21Gigawatts

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He is in an excellent position to make the connection between Nazism and what is happening in the US right now.
Good on him for taking this opportunity. Although, I would have liked him to add a clear call for consequences against those who supported this coup attempt.
 

shinobi602

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Love the AHHHNOLD.

Good message as always. Kind of always hurts a little inside to see him getting older and older, but that's life.
 

eso76

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If there's a man on earth you don't want as your opponent, that's Arnie and i'm so glad he's with the cool guys.
When Schwarzenegger calls you the worst president in history... man, the goddamn Terminator has spoken. You're done.

The part where he took out the sword was such a ridiculous twist, I didn't know whether to cringe real hard or stand up and clap.
I watched in disbelief, yet with a grin.


Message was good... not sure the second panning camera was needed though lol .. threw me off.

It was probably needed to allow editing cuts when he messed up his speech etc.

It threw you off mostly because whoever did the post production didn't spend a lot of time matching the cameras; or maybe those cuts were from another take altogether, recorded at a different time (hence the different lighting) to patch parts he or his staff didn't like.

Well, or maybe they just thought a second camera would simply make things more interesting visually, but i don't think those cuts made the communication any more effective and the colors not matching were distracting. I also have issues with the framing with the second camera but anyway.


[lol, sorry, that was a fake rant; i've been doing production and editing of this sort of stuff for a living for a while and i just wanted to bitch about those things]
 

CrocodileGrin

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I'm sure that that childhood memory was tough to bring up. Great message on how the past can repeat itself if not careful.
 

Lastbroadcast

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His comment about "the big lie" was 100% spot on.

In Germany the big lie was the "stab in the back" myth, the idea that Jews, socialists and democracy supporters caused Germany's defeat in world war one. That lie helped facilitate the Nazi takeover, and everything they did later, includng Kristallnacht.

The claim that "the election was rigged" is another, similar big lie spread by haters of democracy.
 

Wag

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As an American Jew I am a bit conflicted on his comparison of Kristallnacht with the occupation of the Capitol. During Kristallnacht, Jewish businesses were almost exclusively targeted and thousands of Jews were placed in concentration camps.
 

halcali

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Ehhhh, really not that sure about the Kristallnacht comparisons.
The Kristallnacht was a coordinated progrom organized by the Nazi party at the highest levels.
The Nazi state apparatus was heavily involved, 10s of thousands of Jews were arrested by the cops and sent to concentration camps.

I think saying stuff like "the Nazi equivalent of the Proud Boys" to describe the SA both elevated the proud boys to a level they don't deserve and downplay how monstrous the nazis were. I'm sure both things make the proud boys extremely happy.

He's delivering a cautionary tale.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Nice speech.

It's just his bit about the sword that threw me off. The quenching (plunging the blade in water or oil) and tempering (carefull reaheating after a quench to requench after) are not meant to be done multiple times, and definitely not between hammering sessions. It would only weaken the blade and make it brittle. So the analogy doesn't really work. Tempering is usually the last thing you do with the blade before giving it t's final edge and mounting the guard and pommel. :p

But that's just nerd me who got caught on that.Overall, his message is fine. And much more respectable than anything that ever escaped Donnies mouth.
Yeah I had to bite my tongue and not need out at that part too. Tempering a sword and then hammering it... Well that wouldn't be pretty lol.

Despite that I love Arnie's eternal optimism. I think a lot of people really need that right now.
 

Cheerilee

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"Our democracy is like the steel in this sword"

It's a prop?
They first gave Arnold an aluminum sword when they started filming Conan, and then they noticed that it was so light that it couldn't make Arnold's "Mr Universe" muscles flex when he swung it around, so they made him a genuine steel one (Arnold still thought it was lightweight). The only fake thing about that sword is that it's not sharp.
 

Ocean Panda

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How is this being received by Trump supporters? Anyone seen responses or impressions?

I'm curious whether something like this can break through to people, or if they just hate Arnold now.
 

Redcrayon

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Ehhhh, really not that sure about the Kristallnacht comparisons.
The Kristallnacht was a coordinated progrom organized by the Nazi party at the highest levels.
The Nazi state apparatus was heavily involved, 10s of thousands of Jews were arrested by the cops and sent to concentration camps.

I think saying stuff like "the Nazi equivalent of the Proud Boys" to describe the SA both elevated the proud boys to a level they don't deserve and downplay how monstrous the nazis were. I'm sure both things make the proud boys extremely happy.
I agree that singular line doesn't necessarily work as a specific, direct conflation of the two groups. But when he goes on to say that it happened with the tacit support of people once considered friends and neighbours, that for everyone charging the Capitol building there were thousands nodding at home, next door or on social media giving it mainstream support beyond those breaking the glass, that it left people wondering who they could trust, and others wondering what exactly they enabled afterwards, that is a good analogy of a creeping fascism to throw at Republicans right now.
 
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Bluelote

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I agree that the direct comparison is not so great, due to what happened so far,
but overall it's a very good optimistic message and warning.
 

harry the spy

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Yup. And while modern Arnold is certainly a centrist that a lot of people could get behind (environmentally-conscious, supportive of LGBT rights, supportive of education), I don't know if amending the constitution to allow non-naturally-born candidates to run just for one guy would be a smart plan long-term.
I mean that rule doesn't seen necessary in this day and age. I can't think of many countries that prevent immigrants from holding office. I think the risk that a UK royal family mole becomes president and returns the us under the queen's aegis is pretty low.
 

Heraldic

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Watched with sound off so didn't get the music issues others here complained of. Agree with some here about the differences in comparison to broken glass. Loved the part of calling the proud boys out, and their fascist, racist ideals, but it's not exactly an apples to appples comparison. Plus, yes it does give them to much credibility. These guys are a far cry from the Gestapo. Overall, amazing speech. When he whipped out the Conan sword you know he means business.