Their entire business is predicated on IP theft and requisite technology transfers to do business in China at all.
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ARM cuts ties with Huawei, threatening future chip designs
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American inteligence staged a coup in my country that killed thousands of People.
I guess that wasnt That bad.
The Google decision will affect Huawei more in the short term(since the next iteration of the Kirin SoC is already complete), but long term Huawei's consumer electronics business will be utterly fucked if the ban isn't lifted anytime soon.
I work in the telecom industry and going after Huawei is one of the few good things Trump has done in his presidency. Even ignoring the extreme likelihood of Huawei equipment being used to spy for Chinese intelligence, Huawei employs shady business tactics to win customers for their mobile network infrastructure business(and their practices are fully shielded by the Chinese government). They also engage in state sponsored IP theft, which is the primary reason for their meteoric rise in the telecom industry.
I work in the telecom industry and going after Huawei is one of the few good things Trump has done in his presidency. Even ignoring the extreme likelihood of Huawei equipment being used to spy for Chinese intelligence, Huawei employs shady business tactics to win customers for their mobile network infrastructure business(and their practices are fully shielded by the Chinese government). They also engage in state sponsored IP theft, which is the primary reason for their meteoric rise in the telecom industry.
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In mine too. Hell, most of Southamerica.
China is not good but lmao at US as the moral highground.
I mean, does anybody who lives in the West realistically think China can do anything with data from their cell phones? The US government has more incentive to use data from its citizens to manipulate/control them. I dont give a shit if China wants to spend the man hours to translate what I type into search engines. They cant do anything with it anyway.
this forum is full of american liberals who think all of that shit can just be hand waved away because China is Mordor and Xi Jinping is Sauron
Winnie the Pooh actually, just don't say that out loud in China.
No but it would suck if you were living overseas as a Chinese expat, so at least some have cause to worry. Where there family still living in china could be shipped off to their nice new re education camps.
Well said.
Also, people who don't understand that Huawei is already part of the state surveillance in China and is now exporting it to other countries like Ecuador, probably should read this investigation by the New York Times. This is what they are hoping is the future, a future where no one can speak out or do any non-conforming action without having their lives destroyed. And Huawei (along with other PRC companies) is right there in the midst of this, making the big bucks by collapsing democracies and personal liberties around the world by selling and promoting this technology.
Given that Pooh Bear is president for life, Sauron is a fair comparison. Incidentally, China's staunchest critics are Canadians and especially Canadian progressives.
And on the basis of what? That they have assimilation camps?
We asked something not particularly shocking: 'protect our intellectual property.' China thought that was too much, so we're bending their fingers back a little.
I detest Trump, but I also think China's been taking advantage of us for years and something like this needed to happen, because nice talk only gets so far when the people you're talking to have zero interest in your well-being.
I'm french and both china and the US are trash atm. Except china is more trash.
Happy ?
Well, yes that would suck, but I imagine that's not the case for the majority of people on this forum. Obviously I'm not saying that China is perfect, but I cant imagine what they could and would do with my personal data that the US government couldn't do.
So solely on the fact that he is president for life? Thats what makes him evil, even though their government is acting in good faith towards its citizens?
Im not gonna defend autocratic governments, but china makes it clear to its people what its setting out to do. They afford u certain freedoms, but the government controls everything... the chinese people are fine with that given that the government has takin the standard of living to new heights.
How are they evil?
The sponsored IP theft is right in front of people eyes.. let's not forget that Galaxy's fold display blueprints got stolen at given to BOe
Maybe, but saying American use of intelligence is better is disrespectful, with all the shit they have done and keep doing.
Until we can gather some political will to elect people in the US who will really try to 'unmask' the US surveillance state, we're stuck. There's layers to this shit and just because we can't do anything about being spied by our own government means we have to accept/support spy devices from another country.
No but don't tell Damerman that...
Well, if there really are concerns of privacy with Huawei, the US can prevent their equipment from being used in 5G (Already done, it's very protectionistic and unjustified but OK) or even prevent Huawei phones from being sold in the US. (Even more unjustified, but whatever)
What is a frontal attack on market freedom is preventing all American companies from doing any business with Huawei, just like that, overnight, because of a whim of the Trumpturd.
No matter how people spin it, this is war on international trade, and it's hurting American companies as much as it does Chinese ones, and creating huge collateral damage on top of that.
The Uighurs would beg to differ.
China treats a certain segment of its population very well, but let's not try to pretend that they're not evil.
Good response IMO.
Wow, I guess I understand your stance now if this is what you truly believe.
holy fuck their entire fucking telecommunications business was built off of stolen technology, specifically Nortel.
Uh what? lol. I think that depends on which citizens you're talking about. How about we try facing reality for once?
Social Credit.
That's where the Chinese Government's credibility should die. That system is a dystopian shit show, sponsored by an authoritarian government.
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I'm not defending this, but they could have done something much worse... mass exidus, constant persecution... whatever it takes to make they assimilate for fear of muslim radicalism.
I don't agree with the camps, but china made an executive decision for the long term health of the country. They are trying to make them assimalite and when they make their way out of the camp, china has put in place a lot of structures to make sure their boats also elivate in the rising tide.
I was just commenting on who I'd rather be spied on by and the rationale behind it. Spying on your own citizens has far more value than spying on citizens of another nation. Plus the time and effort of translating everyone's data means that unless you're an unusually high profile target, few US citizens would ever have to worry about being spied on by China.
Dude come on how can you say these are bad? Even the Saudi crown prince thinks the camps are a good idea. What are you talking about!?!
Well shit.
This probably isn't as good of s point as you think considering the US and its policy of tearing families apart and forcing babies into what are essentially prison camps.
you don't understand the chinese experiment. its pure autocracy...it's never been a democracy.. there is but one party. and holding elections in china is purely symbolic. they are taking the autocracy thing as far as they can to prove its a more successful model than complete* freedom we have in the US.
I don't agree with it, but i'm not gonna act like china is something out of 1984.
Ok, you are a PRC shill. Thanks, now we know not to take you seriously at all.
Lol. This is just Trumpian rethoric. American companies and the US do not respect foreign intellectual property laws or data protection laws either, civilized countries have arbitration tribulals for that.
And there's the whataboutism, which fails anyway because despite me thinking this piece of immigration policy is vile, they aren't putting their own citizens into reeducation camps.
As someone livin in Vietnam currently, I'm a little closer to China than I wish to be. They could easily make me disappear if they wanted to blow the man hours on it.
Even if they were, intelligence plays second fiddle to ideological politics.
No I agree, the average person wouldn't bee affected, unless china got sloppy with their data. Bottom line, the Chinese isn't going to knock down someone's' door in Minnesota for bad mouthing the CCP.
Could be useful for them to target US intelligence workers/gov't employees off the job. That's just one reason the US gov't did the right thing with Huawei.
If Russia was able to manipulate people using trending Facebook posts based on information gained by monitoring people's social media habits then Obviously China can do much more with cellphone data.
Like we already don't like when our own government does it, why the hell should we allow other countries to do it? Like hell, I'm not even US supporter and I still think that that simply letting China have its way with backdoors is lunacy