Please get out of here with this. Nobody is taking the businesses side here, we just believe that servers should get paid and this is the unfortunate system we find ourselves in.
I apologize, I may have got some of the discussions mixed up as one person was saying that they don't tip cause they don't make much money and they shouldn't have to tip if they cant afford it and they just wanted a "nice experience"
Did I say that? No, she didn't have a psychic sense on it. Sometimes you could tell by what was ordered (split an entree, water instead of wine, etc), but in a restaurant where she had a lot of regulars, if it was one-off customers like that she didn't mind. That's why the second part of my post talked about the regulars and their lack of tips that was the bigger issue.
It's as simple as that. Anyone that says otherwise is a cheap ass. No excuses.
Stupid example. You legally cant walk out of a store with a game you didn't purchase.
It really isn't that hard. Many countries have weird customs that don't exist in other countries. If you are aware of that custom and actively choose not to follow it people are more than justified in saying that you are being a dick for doing so.
Yes, I did. It doesn't seem unreasonable that people should try and live within their means
This is such a stupid argument. Just because you can weather a small percentage of people cheating you, doesn't mean the people cheating you still aren't being assholes.
Depends how bad. If it's just shitty service I lower the tip a bit. If it's genuinely awful I tip nothing.
Do you think "do not shoplift" should just be a social convention, or do you think it should be a law?
My point is, he did take the side of the corporations. I'm not replying to everyone in the thread, I'm replying to him.
Then you leave them a penny. I truly believe that tipping is a performance based metric whereas bad servers should be naturally filtered out much like I wish posters who post in bad faith in tipping threads.
It's impressive that you've never interacted with the system once in your entire life and yet consider yourself an expert from it from across an ocean to the point you're inventing fanciful hypotheticals utterly divorced from reality in order to turn the situation into a "class" thing when the situation has nothing to do with it.
Who said we didn't care about the servers that's just generalizing and a preconcieved notion. The care goes both ways which is exactly why I repeatedly said tip as much as you can within your means. My problem lies with the fact people are saying stay home if you don't have money which is effectively gatekeeping and classism.
THEY ARE NOT PAID BY THE EMPLOYER IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY. ITS NOT LIKE OTHER INDUSTRIEST. I can understand being confused, as it is not like the rest of the world, but he social custom and contract is that like 80% of their income comes from tips. If you don't agree with it, stay home and don't participate, or go to a establishment that pays at least minimum wage to the servers.
If your argument for being an asshole and not paying for services rendered is solely "because its not technically illegal" then idk what to tell you. There are all kinds of unmoral things that are legal, doesn't make them right.
