It was much simpler when you could just round up the undesirable labeled groups and do whatever you want to them face to face
Yeah fuck the previous generation rose tinted retcon bullshit. People were not nicer in undefined "previous generations".
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Are we over-labeling the alt-right?
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It was much simpler when you could just round up the undesirable labeled groups and do whatever you want to them face to face
Yeah fuck the previous generation rose tinted retcon bullshit. People were not nicer in undefined "previous generations".
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He responds to this very quote in the link in the OP. For your convenience:
Never said it was a great defense, and it's still dumb af.
There is no way you can think Obama and Trump are both good Presidents without being full of shit. When one of the two is being a "good President" simply based on undoing the things the former has done, you're on some extremely strong Kool Aid to even pretend to have that opinion.
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Yeah, good one.
If it's a bad defense and dumb, why jump in to spread it?
Haven't we caught onto this "ironic shittiness" ploy yet?
I want to say the shitty things that endear me to the MRA and alt right, but don't hold me accountable for any of it, you just don't get my jokes!
Yup, this is all of them, no question or nuance whatsoever. I'm also sure the salutes and such are all that qualified the actual Nazis as Nazis, too.
lol such bullshit. young people get through their days just fine.
it also show that he's more than willing to obscure the truth for his own gain. so why believe him when he says he's not alt right despite being loved within their circles? that adoration certainly isn't because of his comic strip.
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Mostly because it's still his reasoning, and you brought up the quote. Since it was part of the OP, it made sense to put it out there.
Oh, for sure. I feel like he does what's politically convenient, in general. Same with his switch from Hillary support to Trump support.
You know previous generations were nicer, right?
To whom exactly? Those details don't matter!
Yes, of course. The sweeping generalizations made by progressives are outright embarrassing. If we believe in our cause we should carry ourselves with dignity instead of resorting to being mudslinging children. "I shouldn't have to" is an unbelievably irresponsible and whiny outlook to have in my opinion.
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No one is asking for compromise or the status quo.
I feel we're at least a little better at self-reflection.
Where did I claim they were nicer?
I'm saying that previous generations did not have the ability to be rude and confrontational to one another, without consequence. In short, the internet.
You wouldn't be rude to me if you met me in person. But you can, because this forum gives you the ability to create an image of me in your head and tell me off.
We need to be a little better at winning elections. The rest I don't worry too much about.
Yes, Scott Adams is alt right, and a darling of the alt right. His defense to discredit his own, MRA-endearing words by saying "jk" could be exhibit 'A'.
It's almost like he has a persecution complex, and nothing any reasonable person has to say will get through because it'll go against the narrative that he isn't responsible for the shit he gets.
YEP!
There is no compromising with anyone no the right.
Have the past 10 years taught people nothing?
The right is toxic for everything. All their goals are the opposite of any sort of progress for anyone besides rich white assholes.
Have the past 10 years taught people nothing?
The right is toxic for everything. All their goals are the opposite of any sort of progress for anyone besides rich white assholes.
being able to take the piss out of you here doesn't negate one's ability to get through the day interacting with people who hold differing views
Are you saying that adults who intentionally emulate nazi behavior from about 80 years ago aren't deserving the label? Do they not earn it until they build chambers?
You could make the argument that some German citizens of that era were unwillingly participating in a horrific movement. But to intentionally adopt their behavior now? They're deliberately trying to participate. Why would you even defend that?
I think the answer is really yes and no. I think we throw the term around too much, or more so are too quick to label people with conservative or far right views as Alt-Right (though i understand these are sensitive times and people can be quick to anger with trolls and people arguing in bad faith) or even just apply it to white supremacy when really its far more encompassing ( being also focused on anti-feminist, misogynist, transphobic, abelist, anti-intellectual, classist, authoritarian, etc. agendas), and i think calling people a Nazi a Nazi (or Neo-Nazi just as its harder to argue back against) is important, but also calling someone Alt-Right when they are in fact that, is also important, but also specifying their hatred they are expressing to attach it to that word to prevent them from normalizing it.
Also, fuck Scott Adams, but hes not alt-right, just a loud mouthed mostly far right idiot.
Also, fuck Scott Adams, but hes not alt-right, just a loud mouthed mostly far right idiot.
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My point is this - there's a difference between "ignorance" and "alt-right." IMO, Adams is the former.
No one is talking compromise?
Another point is that it's easily exploited by right-wing sophistry too. It's very close to what someone calls the noncentral fallacy.
Nope, he's the latter.
He's a bigot who doesn't mind spreading the messages and hanging out with other bigots.
That might not meet your definition, but it does meet mine.
And yeah, there's a difference between alt right and ignorant, but there's also a HUGE OVERLAP.
People are rude in real life, often. It's the basis for much of the right's arguments, they want to continue being rude without consequences or challenge
No, previous generations didn't have the internet. To say that previous didn't have the ability to be rude to each other without consequences is honestly a disturbing level of idealizing the past.
Like, are you at all familiar with American history?
Are we over labeling people who are simply white supremacists as racists?
Also Scott Adams is not ignorant, he writes essays about his shitty viewpoints.
Also Scott Adams is not ignorant, he writes essays about his shitty viewpoints.
Anyone talking about labels being used to "shut down conversation" is.
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I mean, in the same post he explains that women can deal with the abortion question without men getting involved. So I'm not sure I'm with you there.
Did you just read the title?
That's definitely not what he was saying. Nazis are Nazis. He's saying that people call any other person who supports Trump "Nazis." Which is hella broad.
Of course not.
But you wouldn't take the piss out of them, would you? Because you interact with them.
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Yeah, there are def real, saluting Nazis. I'm saying we're over-labeling people who are just ignorant/single-issue voters/etc.
No? Just the erroneous labels. Yes, there are Nazis. Like Richard Spencer. That doesn't mean everyone who supports Trump is a Nazi or alt-right. And that's a useful distinction when talking to or about those people.
Who cares, though? Trump supporters might not be Swastika, goose stepping Nazis, but they're ok with a president that supports Nazis. They're ok with the destruction of democracy.
They're not any better than Nazis.
Not every Nazi was throwing people into camps. Some were just people who didn't say anything when Nazi were throwing people into camps. I honestly cannot give the second person any credit for that; they're complicit.
If you support trump, you're complicit.
Fuck, if you're so concerned about overlabeling at a time when white nationalist are the biggest terror group, having marches and killing people regularly... you're complicit
If you support trump, you're complicit.
Fuck, if you're so concerned about overlabeling at a time when white nationalist are the biggest terror group, having marches and killing people regularly... you're complicit
This right here.
I have a much shorter easier way of recognizing when someone is fucked up and not on the level, well, actually it's a little more difficult because the op convienently left out ANY of the things these poor poor people actually believe in to make them entertain being a trumpet, but whatever I guess their just asking questions. Anyways
It does not fucking matter if you're cool with universal health care or fucking whatever.
Whatever views you have, it doesn't fucking matter what they are, Maybe you want lower taxes. Doesn't fucking matter. Maybe you are against abortion. Doesn't fucking matter. Maybe you want to decrease wasteful government spending to try and reduce the national debt, you are an idiot voting Republican for that, but that doesn't matter.
The fact of the matter is, because of those worthless reasons, whatever the fuck they are, you are perfectly willing to sit next to this:
Nothing you fucking say matters now.
This not about fucking politics now. There is nothing you can fucking believe politically that means fucking anything next to this.
All this means is as long as you get what you want. You get abortion banned, you get fucking tax cuts, you get a fucking Ben and jerry's on your street corner, it doesn't fucking matter. You are fine with THIS on your 'side' dressed up as your president, chanting marching and murdering, as long as you get what you want.
You are human filth and deserve every fucking label. You don't have to overtly be a bigot like the red neck on tv to be a fucking bigot, it' not the words you use, it' who you are, coming out and just saying it just makes it obvious and easy.
There is no democratic party anymore, there is just everybody the fuck else who isn't down with this nazi shit or making excuses for it or handwaving it away to get what they want, because they aren't deplorable shit bags.
Which is why the Democratic party can't get shit done. It's not really a group of people that are focused about ANY political ideal or direction anymore. Beyond I ain't down with that nazi kkk shit, or looking the other way. Which isn' really political it' basic fucking decency.
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Which, like, yeah, actually, outside "identity politics" issues gamergaters tend to cluster around the internet libertarian thing - not so much Rand Paul as Richard Dawkins. The same nu atheist anti-religion types that were cheering Obama laying the smack down on the religious right in 2008 are the same ones looking at Damore's memo and thinking, "he had some good points, he shouldn't have been fired." The picture's a little more complicated than stereotypes would have you to believe.
But the moral case isn't complicated at all. Adams can't wriggle his way out of his apologia for bigots because he likes gay marriage and legalized weed. It's possible to be a racist prick and also have generally progressive economic views. And to the extent that such people abandon their progressive bona fides to support someone just because they'll stick it to the SJWs, they weren't all that progressive to start with.
Which, like, yeah, actually, outside "identity politics" issues gamergaters tend to cluster around the internet libertarian thing - not so much Rand Paul as Richard Dawkins. The same nu atheist anti-religion types that were cheering Obama laying the smack down on the religious right in 2008 are the same ones looking at Damore's memo and thinking, "he had some good points, he shouldn't have been fired." The picture's a little more complicated than stereotypes would have you to believe.
But the moral case isn't complicated at all. Adams can't wriggle his way out of his apologia for bigots because he likes gay marriage and legalized weed. It's possible to be a racist prick and also have generally progressive economic views. And to the extent that such people abandon their progressive bona fides to support someone just because they'll stick it to the SJWs, they weren't all that progressive to start with.
Exactly. If centrist conservatives are offended that they're being lumped in with the alt-right, then the burden of proof is on them. They don't deserve any liberal remorse yet.
True.
You'd probably take the piss out of me as, one has to be honest, I'm not the most intimidating chap in town. There's only so dangerous a man who dresses in Marks and Spencer cords can be. But if it was someone who looked like they were versed in the dark art of fisticuffs, you'd nod or politely demure.
We over label everything. Everything has to be black or white, with us or against us. It's a hilariously stupid point of view if you take two steps back.
Argue with Trump supporters all day, I say. But realize they all don't have the same exact motivations and values, despite the media's obsession with generalizations.
Argue with Trump supporters all day, I say. But realize they all don't have the same exact motivations and values, despite the media's obsession with generalizations.
You mean the people that have magically convinced themselves they're "one of the good ones" only to be used and abused by the rich white men? (Ala Kanye?)
Stupidity isn't an excuse.
If anything we're severely under-labeling it, most people complaining about it's overlabeling are also employ the kind of tactics as "Hitler was a bad person HOWEVER ..." and "Not all nazis were bad!!!". They're basically in denial or have something to hide.
Defo. I really dislike dave rubin but he has a point when people like him peterson, shapiro, Eric and Brett wlWeinstein, Harris et Al are all lumped into the same group and considered to be on par with someone like Richard Spencer.
But then they go and merk themselves by considering themselves part of the "intellectual dark Web" lol so idk
But then they go and merk themselves by considering themselves part of the "intellectual dark Web" lol so idk
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Scott Adams was one example. Richard Lewis (the esports one) is another example (and yes, he wrote for Breitbart, but none of his writings were political + he wrote for them before they became... infamous).
Point is, as someone else said, you can potentially reason with a Trump supporter or single-issue voter. You can't reason with a Nazi.
The latter is committed to spreading hate and ignorance, the former just... is ignorant of politics much of the time. I've seen people who try to defend Trump then resort to calling it "just politics," because they don't understand the significance of a vote.
Wait, what? When was the last time those incompetent clowns killed someone? Last I heard, Richard Spencer was whining about how antifa was winning after getting punched in the face.
Absolutely. There are many types of groups across this country that are labeled the same or quick to be labeled.
Why are we interested in spending so much energy on distinguishing varieties of racist/sexist views? Is Scott Adams any less shitty if we don't call him alt right?
OP, you're prefacing every post with "yeah what he did is indefensible and bad but..." then defending him. Why bother? Is it simply the label that bothers you so much? I'm of the opinion that we don't need to stand up for bigots of any kind.
OP, you're prefacing every post with "yeah what he did is indefensible and bad but..." then defending him. Why bother? Is it simply the label that bothers you so much? I'm of the opinion that we don't need to stand up for bigots of any kind.