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Are SWERY games good?
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if anyone is curious about the link between D4 and DP2, check out the clip in this tweet.
D4 takes place in 2013, DP2 in 2019. so David Young is still searching for Peggy's killer 6 years later.
It's not really that there are objective measures on if a game is good or not, it's just that you can usually make an ARGUMENT for why a game is good or not using objective facts about the game.
You could definitely make a good argument for why Deadly Premonitions is a bad game, it's probably an easy one to make in fact. You could also make an argument for why it's great. The only objective things are the existence of things within the game that you believe the game benefits from or doesn't.
This. The only area the game suffers in is the voice acting but otherwise it's a genuinely good game.
Wow. Well, that certainly changes thing. I had no idea about any of this.
Guy is dope. He is following me on Twitter and I have no idea why. I only tweeted him once about how much I liked D4 and that was it.
Speaking about DP, it's technically really bad with also horrible shooting/combat. But has great characters, intriguing story with quirky scenes and humor and some genuinely good design ideas that are many times hampered by what they can execute but that ultimately make me happy they even tried.
For me, they are very creative, entertaining, and have good writing (for the type of intentionally offbeat story they are trying to tell). Francis York Morgan is literally the best protagonist ever in my eyes. No games have had me with a big goofy grin on my face quite the same way that both Deadly Premonitions do.
It really just depends on what the gamer wants most. For the person who values gameplay, control, performance, good combat system, or pretty much any technical competence, as the most important things in a game- they should steer clear. For these games, I endure (and sometimes laugh at) how bad these elements are- and they are abysmal (abet functional). But they are just the (very flimsy) platform one must navigate to get to the next (wonderfully bizarre) story beat.
Me, I've played low budget 90s era PC jank so I can take this stuff. But admittedly hose born and bred on modern AAA gaming just will not get these products.
It really just depends on what the gamer wants most. For the person who values gameplay, control, performance, good combat system, or pretty much any technical competence, as the most important things in a game- they should steer clear. For these games, I endure (and sometimes laugh at) how bad these elements are- and they are abysmal (abet functional). But they are just the (very flimsy) platform one must navigate to get to the next (wonderfully bizarre) story beat.
Me, I've played low budget 90s era PC jank so I can take this stuff. But admittedly hose born and bred on modern AAA gaming just will not get these products.
Every aspect of Deadly Premonition's design is intentional. The more you play and analyze it, the more apparent this becomes, and the more integral to the experience they all are.
I traded business cards with him at GDC and he sends me Happy New Year post cards.
Deadly Premonition is great because it has an incredible attention to detail despite its obvious low budget. You can learn a ton about the mystery before the story reveals it or even details you never learn through the main path by talking to the various NPCs or peeking into buildings to observe their behavior. Mainlining the plot is a totally different experience from doing side missions and expiring the town. The game makes great use of being a video game to enhance the story instead of just making it unveil linearly through cutscenes. I was actually somewhat disappointed with DP2 because this attention to detail is totally absent from the sequel.
Playing through Origins for the first time. It's not fun, but it's compelling. It's a bad game, but that doesn't have to be the end of the evaluation and DP kind of proves it by being interesting despite that. It's derivative as hell, at least so far, of an obvious inspiration, but it's so indebted and reverent to the inspiration that it becomes earnest and endearing through it. It helps to love to the thing it's emulating.
What a lot of people may be keying in on with the "jank" is that, there's a version of DP that is completely re-made with high quality graphics, driving, mechanics, great performance, etc., where it's now a "good game", but it probably wouldn't have that large of an effect on the takeaway. Like, you could give Twin Peaks a Christopher Nolan budget, but does that matter?
What a lot of people may be keying in on with the "jank" is that, there's a version of DP that is completely re-made with high quality graphics, driving, mechanics, great performance, etc., where it's now a "good game", but it probably wouldn't have that large of an effect on the takeaway. Like, you could give Twin Peaks a Christopher Nolan budget, but does that matter?