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From what I get, consensus is that in a vacuum, the game is pretty solid with some issues, but as a GG game, it feels way too limited and straightforward outside of the new RC system.
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Arc System Works confirms there will be no crossplay between PS4/5 and PC versions of Guilty Gear Strive
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I disagree about not hurting the game. Fighting games are already niche to being with and not allowing cross-play with PC only dampens the likelihood of getting matches and long-term engagement. The GG series is also fairly niche so it will definitely impact the game months down the road. I don't know how it can be argued otherwise. If you don't have as many players in the pool to play with and it takes forever to get a match then that is not helping the game.
I've probably asked at some point, but are cross-network compatibility layers a thing? Like, could you do the network equivalent of Proton / WINE, but instead of compatibility with a different OS, it could make PC servers appear as PSN servers and enable playing together without the devs explicitly creating crossplay?
Not having rollback and crossplay with PC may be fine if you're a big franchise like Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Dragon Ball...
For the smaller titles wanting to grow, it may as well be now a "I give up" sign. Welcome to the Strive discord I guess ^^. Ah, and let's continue the dumb lobby system trend, because it will attract even more players, yeah for accessibility.
For the smaller titles wanting to grow, it may as well be now a "I give up" sign. Welcome to the Strive discord I guess ^^. Ah, and let's continue the dumb lobby system trend, because it will attract even more players, yeah for accessibility.
Every time devs hobble their PC release with lack of features, no cross-play/save/buy, and bad ports which then leads to bad sales and low playerbase which they use an excuse on their next game to not support it better.
ArcSys has gotten better at putting their Fighting Games on PC, but it's still dissapointing to see them move so slowly for such widely requested features that are more and more becoming the norm
ArcSys has gotten better at putting their Fighting Games on PC, but it's still dissapointing to see them move so slowly for such widely requested features that are more and more becoming the norm
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How so?
If FEXL can do crossplay no (fighting) game has any excuse not to. That game's budget is probably something like 3 yen, yet they still managed to put out a decent number of free characters and keep updating it.
Such a pity Strive is going down this path, but I can't say I'm all that surprised...
Well hopefully if we keep complaining it'll happen as a later update. Crossplay should be mandatory for all fighting games now that have a decent budget and Rollback just mandatory in general. Having rollback is going to help pc out a ton though when the population starts thinning out.The biggiest barrier was that when the population gets lower you end up finding less people directly in your region or various times of day, but with rollback having a poll that can even tap into bits of europe is going to help a ton. I put crossplay in the survey when I did the beta. If there is another beta survey I'll add crossplay again lol.
There is absolutely zero excuse indeed.
It's nonsense to even attempt to mount a defense for this shit.
I said wouldn't hurt it much. PC isn't a big amount of added players.
Though it does hurt PC players, the game will be fine on consoles.
If you buy the game for PS4. You also get the PS5 version for free as well. So you wont be playing the PS4 version on your PS5 when it comes out. The confirmed this recently.
Form to send requests to devs; Please ask ASW to reconsider!
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Since the players managed to nag rollback into the game, let's see if we can do the same with crossplay.
The form is here, everybody please send them a ton of requests so they seriously consider doing it. Even if it took until a bit after launch to implement, that would be better than nothing.
The form is here, everybody please send them a ton of requests so they seriously consider doing it. Even if it took until a bit after launch to implement, that would be better than nothing.
Fuck you, got mine?
If one platform is basically crippled you can't say the game isn't hurt "much".
Thanks for this. Sent them the form.
Was really excited for Strive, but the lobby system and now this are making it really hard to keep my interest up.
Why are Japanese fighting game developers like this??? Roll-back netcode and cross-play are incredibly important features for pretty much the entire western side of the communities. Its 2020! Gotta fuckin' beg for this shit every time.
I've been watching double standards get applied to Arcsys games for years. Things that are issues in so many other fighting games are suddenly the breaking point for supporting their's.
Yeah, it sucks PC won't have crossplay, and if that is someone's only way to play then that really sucks. But the game will live through it, just like every other game that lacks it.
Also PC is the only place getting +R with rollback, so it's in a better spot.
That's correct. This was confirmed today in the same post this thread is about.
Doesn't mean you can't play the PS4 version on a PS5 though. Even if you buy digital, you can install the PS4 version if you want (for whatever reason). All they're saying is that if you run the PS4 version on a PS5, it won't have any additional benefits. So run the PS5 version on a PS5.
It's hard enough getting them to do rollback, there was no way they were going to do crossplay which is arguably harder/more work. People setting themselves up for disappointment if they thought there was a realistic chance for it.
Like there's only 1 Japanese dev that I know of that has done it (Capcom), and it's not even that good.
Like there's only 1 Japanese dev that I know of that has done it (Capcom), and it's not even that good.
It will absolutely hurt the game lol, less players in the matchmaking pool will lead to a worse experience
How do games like Power Rangers BFTG get to do full crossplay and rollback then?
Not saying it's not impossible or out of the realm. But when we're pulling teeth just to get rollback, don't be surprised when it's even harder to get them to do crossplay.
I assume since Rangers is on Unity there's better tools for it too.
Since the players managed to nag rollback into the game, let's see if we can do the same with crossplay.
The form is here, everybody please send them a ton of requests so they seriously consider doing it. Even if it took until a bit after launch to implement, that would be better than nothing.
I've already sent this form before this news hit but I'll do it again
There's Power Rangers, Killer Instinct, Mortal Kombat XI (although only between Xbox and PS4 which is weird), FEXL, Fantasy Strike and they're all great. All of those have rollback netcode too.
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Are there any fighting game devs here on Era? Can any of you guys enlighten us on why cross play is such a bad, or at least non-idealistic, idea?
I think DBFZ ran better on PS4 Pro & XB1X, but that's all that I can recall.
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Fighting EX Layer has been testing crossplay for a while and that's on UE4.
SG does not have crossplay afaik and FEXL doesn't have it yet.
Doesn't 2nd Encore have crossplay? I remember reading that looong time ago
Edit: ah, wow, it's crossplay between the PS3, PS4 and Vita.
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So you get free ps5 upgrade when you buy the ps4 version.
seems no brainer to buy ps4 version and not the ps5 version, if you are playing on console.
seems no brainer to buy ps4 version and not the ps5 version, if you are playing on console.
I just completed my form with my gripes about cross-play and about the lobby system. I hope they take this to heart and allow cross-play, I want to play with my PC bros/sisters.Since the players managed to nag rollback into the game, let's see if we can do the same with crossplay.
The form is here, everybody please send them a ton of requests so they seriously consider doing it. Even if it took until a bit after launch to implement, that would be better than nothing.
Yeah, this is something I'd like to hear more on. Outside of a handful of games, getting crossplay between consoles and PC set up seems to be a pretty wide issue in fighting games.
They already made For Honor and it was quite successful. The FGC didn't care because the game is too different from traditional fighters, but if they make another one it'll probably be in the same style.
Not a dev, so I might be talking out my ass here. But for crossplay to work you need your own user system to bridge all the platform User systems (PSN/Xbox/Steam etc). Basically they have to make make their own mini PSN. Not incredibly complicated or anything, but it's a lot of extra overhead when those systems already exist on each platform separately.
So the question comes down to spending time and money developing/testing/maintaining your own user system or using the pre-existing ones which one of their purposes was to keep devs from re-inventing the wheel with their own user systems.
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I've come to find out if a fighting game is dead on PC it's pretty much dead on every other platform as well. That's why cross platform play should be a thing.
Niche fighting games are niche everywhere.
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Also went and filled out the form, no crossplay is a death sentence for the PC version.
Eh, we got rollback which allows a much broader search around the globe for quality matches and yet arcsys squander this with their dumb lobby floor system segregating the userbase =(
It feels like the moment you stop holding their hands they immediately go to reach the shotgun in the drawer to shoot their foot. Got to give them tons of feedback and hope for the best.
