aw, that's too bad
they should have known this was coming
they should have known this was coming
one multi-billion dollar company and two ~trillion dollar companies
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Apple will terminate all Epic Games dev accounts and tool access on August 28th, Epic filing to halt the termination
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I'm gonna be pissed of Epic wins the court cases. Using the outrage of a bunch of kids to generate enough PR to try and force Apple to treat them special. C'mon man.
Violating a TOS isn't illegal though. Not that I know of anyway.
Epic violated Apple ToS by circumventing the Apple payment agreement. ToS owners have a lot of freedom to do as they wish.
I doubt this will impact Unreal Engine very much since you can just compile it from source yourself, the prebuilt signed distributions and their launcher is probably getting nuked here.
But Apple is really going nuclear here, revoking their organization account seems a bit messed up.
But Apple is really going nuclear here, revoking their organization account seems a bit messed up.
Oh yeah for sure, Epic isn't "the little guy" here. They're still big and they still have leverage.
That being said, they're not even remotely on the same level as Apple. Or Google.
Epic thinking bruteforce will work everytime seems naive as hell.
Can I have some of your popcorn? ;)
Can I have some of your popcorn? ;)
I may have misunderstood then, what is the objective? I thought it was to avoid paying Apples cut.
I think the crux of Epic's argument is that the only way to sell your products to a billion devices is to follow the rules one shopkeeper decides.
If I want a Samsung device in my home and Amazon boots them, I still have the option to buy a Samsung device elsewhere. If I want a Samsung app, say Bixby, on my iPhone, and Apple boots them, I have no other store to get it from.
The initial counter argument is "You can get an Android phone" but Epic's argument is Apple is monopolistic in the iOS marketplace, not the mobile phone app marketplace.
I'm certainly not qualified to decide if Epic has a legally sound argument, but that seems to be their argument. And it would seem "you made us mad, so we're taking away your ability to even develop in our marketplace" falls right into line with Epic's argument that Apple has a monopoly over the iOS marketplace
That's precisely the message being sent. Any ideas that Apple would capitulate under whatever leverage Epic thought they had are completely toast now. Apple is telling them "you have no leverage, we will drop you and everything related to you and we will not care".
Man this escalated quickly.
It doesn't matter. It's their rules. Breaking them and Apple can do whatever they want.
To be fair I'm not okay with that either. There's a reason I'm not buying any next gen consoles or new phones.
I hope its no win no fee lol
What lawyer tells you to blantantly break TOS, go on a PR war and destroy your platform for a near 0 chance of winning? And even if they "win" and Apple gives some concessions for sideloading etc. there is still no reason to not think they wont bar Fortnite from the store.
If UE4 is indeed being banned from Apple's stores, then get ready for a mass cancellation of iOS versions of UE4 games. I find this to hurt Apple more than Epic, but that's just my limited understanding and view on the subject.
I understand terminating Epic 1st party apps and stuff, but won't this hurt many developers that have nothing to do with this dispute?
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I'm not sure what Epic thought they would win by pulling this stunt. It feels like Epic's ego just ballooned out of control, and they are now dealing with the blowback and embarrassment.
It would be interesting if Apple just refuses to work with them after this. It would be kind of a petty/stupid move on Apple's part to completely stonewall them, but they would also be just in doing so.
If Apple can point to a clause in its developer ToS that Epic has broken -- and I would assume it can -- then it's hard to imagine Epic coming up with a convincing counter-argument as to why those rules shouldn't be enforced. Epic seems to be banking on the popularity of both Fortnite and Unreal Engine itself for a ruling in its favour, but it seems to me -- insert obligatory "IANAL" disclaimer -- that the best outcome Epic can reasonably hope for is that the courts rule largely in Apple's favour but with the caveat that Epic's developer accounts be restored for the sole purpose of updating Unreal Engine SDKs.
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yep. epic violated terms they agreed to. not sure if apple did anything wrong to epic, in this case. if epic wanted to put pressure on apple to change their rules (which... good luck with that) this wasn't the way to go about it.
It doesn't have to be illegal for the owner of the service to require access to the service to be on their terms. Apple writes the Terms of Service and you cannot break them and keep accessing their services. Especially when as of right now, there's no legal judgment saying Apple has illegal terms. Epic was hoping to change that with a stunt, but for the moment they are fucked until courts try to regulate something.
Well, no. Breaking a TOS doesn't mean you can respond with illegal actions.
Again, I'm not saying that it is, I'm asking if it is. Hence my first post.
There was almost assuredly months and months of consultation with their legal team before they made any moves. You just don't pick a fight with Apple on a whim. This is calculated. They were biding their time.
I feel bad for everyone affected, not a fan of Apple in the slightest but damn they do not mess around
They had a pre-made video in place to rile up their fans against apple. It was obviously very premeditated
