The cynical side of me says not to trust any megacorp to do anything good for the world without some kind of catch, but if anyone can do it Apple certainly seems like the one that would.
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Apple Launches New Nationwide Racial Equity and Justice Initiative Projects
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Meh.
Sounds like a bunch of PR bullshit to me. $100M is peanuts to Apple.
What would ACTUALLY impress me is them agreeing to have 40% minority representation on their board of directors or investing Billions in a free Online Apple University that caters to disadvantaged communities and teaches them something valuable.
Sounds like a bunch of PR bullshit to me. $100M is peanuts to Apple.
What would ACTUALLY impress me is them agreeing to have 40% minority representation on their board of directors or investing Billions in a free Online Apple University that caters to disadvantaged communities and teaches them something valuable.
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It be nice to have a government we can trust with our money,
Yeah, no disagreements here. Unfortunately the government here isn't responsible. Ideally they would pay taxes and it would be used responsibly, but in this case they are using their money for a cause, and it gets deducted from their taxes. They're still paying their share to society (and while the argument they should be forced to contribute more, I agree with), but it's going to good causes with this and being used responsibly, which is better than the current alternative.
Word for word what I was coming here to say. It's important for these big companies to make positive social change.
That's nice, but also pay your taxes please.
Not before they make fun of it.
The timing when America is transiting to new administration
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Or they could do this and not get a tax deduction and still pay more taxes and still be our rich overlords.
It's hard to look at any program about this and not consider the impact of using the factories they do.
This was announced back after BLM, and is just now being fully unveiled
Basically lol. Nuance doesn't exist here, everything is an absolute
Great that Apple is doing this, but you have to wonder why they're only spending $100m when Apple currently has $192b cash on hand... (as of Q32020 earnings reporting)
They could've spent $1b on this project and it still would've been a miniscule investment relative to what they could feasibly spend.
They could've spent $1b on this project and it still would've been a miniscule investment relative to what they could feasibly spend.
We can continue to scrutinize tech companies while also appreciating the contributions. Those aren't mutually exclusive positions.
This was a tough point for me to try and express in this thread. Unfortunately, no one in this thread is willing to talk about the positive impact this will have on PoC in tech and how (again, regardless of the company behind the decision) a great thing to target a younger audience to get more PoC in tech/coding.
When we are considering philanthropy of huge corporations or individual billionaires, we need to view it through the context of the amount of money they are making,
Even if we were to generously assume that their motives are completely pure and not done for any self-serving PR purposes, the fact that so much of society's wealth is being sucked up by a small number of companies and individuals is so intertwined with these questions of economic & social justice that we can't separate them.
I'm sure they also do it for tax purposes. They basically need to make charitable contributions, so why not do a good thing and make a big deal about it? It's a case of our tax system actually doing what it's supposed to.
Don't get me wrong I love this news...but where was apples thinking 10 years ago?
Racial Equity, Equality, justice...etc? What does apples board look like?
Racial Equity, Equality, justice...etc? What does apples board look like?
edit: For the benefit of the thread and what should be a focus on racial injustice, I'm removing my comment since people are trying to twist my words.
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This is a really bad argument and very disingenuous as people aren't presupposing that the USA would necessarily make good use of the taxes Apple and other such corporations aren't paying. No one is saying America is some utopia but the actions of corporations like Apple aren't at all helping the situation. Real racial equity will come from mostly MASSIVE redistribution policies that ideally would strip corps like Apple of all the money they're hoarding in offshore tax havens and back into the hands of the people. Moves like this which seem fine in a vacuum, completely devoid of context, until you realize that corps like Apple spend a ton of money so they can keep having their offshore accounts and have zero accountability for the damage their extractive business practices causes. When place in that context this is ultimately a self serving move despite the good that will come from it. Billionaire philanthropy is a scam and a lot of people smarter than me have written many words about why that is. And to go a bit further on accountability Apple is accountable to no one but their shareholders. I would rather money like this be democratically accountable then have it up to a profit seeking corp.
This sounds good on the surface, but then you read details like this:
It then sounds like a lot more self serving because investing in people to create apps means Apple benefits from it in the long run.
It then sounds like a lot more self serving because investing in people to create apps means Apple benefits from it in the long run.
Don't get me wrong I love this news...but where was apples thinking 10 years ago?
Racial Equity, Equality, justice...etc? What does apples board look like?
Well first I generally agree with your statement. Tech industry and Silicon Valley is awful for diversity.
But to also be fair, that was 2017 (you can tell by the fact Jony Ive is still on there). Here is updated leadership team:
Leadership and Governance - Apple
More diverse than before in 3 years. And well hopefully these initiatives bring about change that will change the makeup and demographics of the tech industry to drive the corresponding leadership.
A good step and for people complaining about it only being $100 million...it was zero before this so...?!
Do they need to be forced to pay taxes? Yes.
Do they and all electronic makers need to stop using slave labor? Yes.
Do they have the ability to do more? Yes.
Is this a decent first step? Also yes.
Do they need to be forced to pay taxes? Yes.
Do they and all electronic makers need to stop using slave labor? Yes.
Do they have the ability to do more? Yes.
Is this a decent first step? Also yes.
Jesus Christ, what a terrible post. Criticising Apple for using slaves and child labour = same old complaints?
You seriously going to lump in complaints about headphone jacks and batteries with that?
Are you really trying to compare complaints about slave labor to those about the removal of a headphone Jack?
I'm not equating it nor do I not take the issue seriously, but every Apple thread is disrupted by years-old issues that everyone is aware of.
This thread is about a racial injustice initiative, not Apple's taxes or labor practices or anything else.
On Topic: I do question the efficacy and broadness of this. "Building on its longstanding scholarship program with the Thurgood Marshall College Fund, Apple is also now offering scholarships to 100 new Apple Scholars from underrepresented communities. In addition to financial support, the Apple Scholars program includes mentorship and career development experience at Apple." -- This sounds great, but only 100 people? Why not 1000?
how about they accomplish 100M worth of deliverables before making some blanket "billions" promise. I'm sure they will get to the billions over time but imo it's better to focus on concrete things and deliver them and then do more.
I mean, we're talking about $192b in cash that could be accessed within 90 days. They could EASILY do more - which is what I'm advocating for here. They won't because they think this is enough (and maybe to some it is - I disagree!)
Okay glad you said this, wasn't sure of the year but I'm glad I asked the question.Well first I generally agree with your statement. Tech industry and Silicon Valley is awful for diversity.
But to also be fair, that was 2017 (you can tell by the fact Jony Ive is still on there). Here is updated leadership team:
Leadership and Governance - Apple
investor.apple.com
More diverse than before in 3 years. And well hopefully these initiatives bring about change that will change the makeup and demographics of the tech industry to drive the corresponding leadership.
you are comparing headphone jacks and batteries to slave labor and ethnically cleaning.
Way to go, Apple!
Nice job derailing the thread with this crap.
Nice job derailing the thread with this crap.
Ignoring all of the stupid arguments, this sounds good, but I think it's best to wait and see what happens with projects like this.
All of you arguing about Apple using slave labor or not paying taxes or whatever need to grow up and understand that most things we use at a convenience are only possible by other's suffering.
Things are just incredibly fucked up. I mean, good on Apple for doing this I guess. I'm not screaming from rooftops about it because it's a shame a multi billion dollar company has to do this before the government they 'pay' taxes to did.
Dystopian through and through.
All of you arguing about Apple using slave labor or not paying taxes or whatever need to grow up and understand that most things we use at a convenience are only possible by other's suffering.
Things are just incredibly fucked up. I mean, good on Apple for doing this I guess. I'm not screaming from rooftops about it because it's a shame a multi billion dollar company has to do this before the government they 'pay' taxes to did.
Dystopian through and through.
Agree with the slaves part ...tho that's got more to do with local enforcement and labour laws. Totally disagree with you on the tax dodging. The laws permit them to AVOID taxes. That's on the lawmaker.
Yup, this reminds me of an episode in the good place where ppl realized that no one gets to go to the actual good place because even the best of us can't avoid exploiting others. Buy an apple from the store? Probably shipped from a country with high lvls of Proverty, etc.
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I'm all for it... it's sad that companies (with dicey practices) have to pony up for this initiative, but I'll take it.