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Apple has said that it will not let Epic Games re-apply to the Apple Developer Program for at least one year.
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Being a leftist and progressive isn't the same thing. I'm progressive but not economically leftists. And many leftist nations haven't been the most progressive historically.
Yeah, but capitalism isn't at stake in this fight between two behemoth corporations.
In the initial court ruling the judge said Apple was within right to terminate the Epic account associated with Fortnite, and that Epic could just revert the change to get back on the store. That's all they had to do, roll back the upadte and the app could have continued to live on the App Store while they fought this battle. This happens ALL the time with Dev accounts on Apple's platform when accounts get blocked, suspended or what not. You find out the issue, revert it, and then worry about the fight after. This is 100% on Epic at this stage.
Epic willing breached the Developer agreement, that is why this is happening. Apple didn't just decide to make an example of Epic for the sake of flexing.
People are only "rooting" for Apple because Epic has been completely idiotic in their approach to this whole thing.
Yup, this is a contract dispute between two mega corporations.
If Epic wins, it could have the potential to blow back to any devices that are similar to the eyes of the law (which some lawyers said might include consoles). For better or worse, I'm not exactly sure where I stand on this.
If Apple wins, then it seems like nothing changes and locked down devices stay locked down (I haven't heard any arguments that things could get worse).
There's no reason to fluff this up to a battle against capitalism or the good of humanity or whatever overly dramatic line people come up with.
The year long block to reinstate the dev account is an additional point though. Of course Epic could have reverted the Fortnite change, but since they claim that Apple's rules are breaking the law, they refuse to do that.
I don't have access to the developer Terms of Service, but that could very well be in the contract language when you sign up.
Where will the money for universal healthcare, social security, universal preK, green energy or infrastructure overhaul come from, if not from taxes?
There are two future worlds available:
One where tons of people are in the middle class and people are taxed in proportion to wealth (not income, wealth). There are few billionaires and no trillionaires. We have decided as a society to make it quasi-impossible to breach the one hundred billion dollar mark and impossible to stay there for prolonged periods of time. Being a trillionaire is impossible. All who think that being worth less 100 billion dollars is tyranny pls raise ur hands?
The other world is one with a tiny minority of "I can spend a million dollars a day for the rest of my life and still die richer than I am today without working another day in my life" ultra wealthy, and the rest of us who are basically their envious slaves, in varying amounts of disguise. It is a perfectly stable form of society. We've had similarly extreme kinds of inequality in the fairly recent past. What with Tsars and Khans and emperors. Now it's the "merchants" time.
Well in that case, even sillier!
Should have just made a website where you can buy Fortnite credit and promoted the hell out of it on their social media and season trailers.
This is what happens to any developer whose account is terminated. Its not some extra bit of dirt Apple is flinging at Epic.
This case is likely going to take a hell of a lot longer than that, so I don't think it is too big a deal.
This case is likely going to take a hell of a lot longer than that, so I don't think it is too big a deal.
Epic targeted Apple because there was already blood in the water.
Apple brought it up already but I expect them to make a big deal about how consoles follow the exact same rules as iOS. Even in the non-Epic examples you listed the dev complaints about App Store Policies include A LOT of the same complaints Japanese developers were making about Sony in the last year or two.
Reminder that all of this is happening because Tim Sweeney, the billionaire owner of a company also worth billions, was dissatisfied with being a billionaire and wanted MORE money. Apple is a monolith, but Sweeney and Epic are still Scrooge McDuck wealthy. He'll lie to us and tell us that he's fighting for the industry, but this entire ordeal has been driven by pure, unfiltered greed. And now it's going to bite him in the ass.
Indeed! Start with Epic Games please, and get them to conform to the PC platform. Forcing a lower standard of service in the name of higher profit margins is capitalist as all get out, and exclusive dealing is anti-competitive tactics that they shouldn't be able to get away with.
This post is like water in the desert of Apple vs. Epic threads.
People here only look through their hatred of EGS to see the bigger picture and it's MADDENING.
every thread there's less and less people talking about how it's all still 4d chess, epic expected this, they were prepared and knew this was going to happen
weird
weird
lol WHERE
And invoking leftism to take sides in a corporate conflict, YEEEE-IKES
More like people basking in the schadenfreude that Epic acting surprised that they burned their hand after touching a heated stove.
No
What's more, they're going to have a ton of trouble suing them for business practices they are also using
This. In every single thread, people come in to slap the hands of those "supporting" or "cheerleading" Apple, when most of us are just enjoying seeing a billionaire get smacked down when he throws his toys out of the pram.
Fall Guys needs to be on iOS ASAP to take advantage of this.
The Fortnite momentum is dead. Time for a new king.
The Fortnite momentum is dead. Time for a new king.
I still hope Epic win something out of this and force some change to be honest. Apple apologism and fanboyism is as nauseating as any other. They're not the good guys in this battle, and maybe there aren't any, but if you want a more open eco system and success for companies that don't have policies as dumb as apple's on game streaming - I can't fathom supporting them.
I believe Epic's stated reason for not just doing this is that if there is any friction to buying microtransactions for their games (such as going to an external website), people will think twice on spending money. They claim in their legal documents that people wouldn't pay for microtransactions if they have to take an extra step to do so which would give them time to think about the purchasing decision. It's a market driven on impulse buying.
clearly epic fucked up royally here, but i dont think anyone should be happy about apple being able to deny access to a huge marketplace with zero outside oversight.
i've read enough developer experiences about struggling to get apps approved and how tricky it can be, of how pernicious apple can be to those who try to make a living on its ecosystem.
people are quite happy to crow about this because it's more about shitting on epic, but really we should be discussing the seriousness of how apple runs their market and not what it means for epic, but for what it means for millions of smaller developers who struggle with it every day.
i've read enough developer experiences about struggling to get apps approved and how tricky it can be, of how pernicious apple can be to those who try to make a living on its ecosystem.
people are quite happy to crow about this because it's more about shitting on epic, but really we should be discussing the seriousness of how apple runs their market and not what it means for epic, but for what it means for millions of smaller developers who struggle with it every day.
No, they are making an example of Epic because they dared attacking them where it hurts. Their massive fucking wallet.
And the fact is, that Developer Agreement isn't gonna be worth more than toilet paper if this actually goes to court and Epic wins this (and that's a big if).
Someone was bound to take on the walled garden approach some day. Sadly, it was Epic and Tim fucking Sweeney. But just because people don't like him shouldn't divert from the fact that pretty much nothing bad can come from this move long term. Aside from Epic drawing the ire of Apple and Developers getting caught in the crossfire. Which I'm sure is somehow also Epics fault.
Funny, i say the same thing towards those who, not referring to you per say, treat Epic as the heroes in all this. The whole reason Epic is doing this is to keep most if not all of the income while forcing apple to host their app for free. Not to mention the fact that epic tried to weaponize their fanbase, which includes a bunch of children, to attack apple. I do not like apple, never owned any of their products, but pretending that Epic is the savior here is flat out dumb. If given the chance epic would happily employ apple's tactics. Tim is a hypocrite inside out, the sooner people realize this the sooner people will not root for either side.
There is oversight in this case though, it's the judge that already ruled mostly against Epic.
Imma lose my shit if tencent sells their shares.
yeah I feel really bad for the plucky underdog, Epic Games. It really sucks when a small pro-developer, pro-consumer company that really cares about having a healthy, competitive market gets killed off by a mega-Corp.
yeah I feel really bad for the plucky underdog, Epic Games. It really sucks when a small pro-developer, pro-consumer company that really cares about having a healthy, competitive market gets killed off by a mega-Corp.
Obviously the solution for this is for Tim Sweeny to go on Twitter and engage in even more trash talk. I'm sure that will smooth things over.
