Apple devices are so ugly these days

Freestyler · Apr 10, 2019

TheMadTitan said:
iPad Pro is the best designed Apple device since the iPhone 5/5s. The X/Xs would be there if it had a full top bezel instead of a notch, or even a hole punch since the Galaxy S10e is essentially a notch less Xs.

I agree that the hole punch is an improvement in terms of design, but bear in mind that the Galaxy range doesn't have Face ID, which means they don't really need the same amount of space as the notch provides.

From the reviews I've seen, the new in-screen fingerprint reader is slow and unreliable, and the "face unlock" is easily fooled.

Freestyler · Apr 10, 2019

Cow said:
Are you okay?

I understand why you would want a webcam placed above the screen. I personally would rather it not, and the majority of others would the same. I am pretty sure there have been studies into this showing 60-70% of people do not use webcams on their laptops. The fact almost all laptop webcams are absolutely shambolic shows how important they are. Very poor quality even on expensive macbooks.

This isn't a discussion about Huawei spying. That is a strawman you are creating.

Dude you really need to stop saying shambolic, or at least explain to me how "all laptop webcams" are disorganized, messy or confused.

I get that you hate Apple's current/recent design language, that's fine, but stop using shambolic as your only verb.

bremon · Apr 10, 2019

This thread is shambolic. The screens are nice enough to easily be usable, and considering the screen is the majority of the device, the user experience isn't different enough to warrant arguing over a notch or a button.

Cow · Apr 10, 2019

Freestyler said:
Dude you really need to stop saying shambolic, or at least explain to me how "all laptop webcams" are disorganized, messy or confused.

I get that you hate Apple's current/recent design language, that's fine, but stop using shambolic as your only verb.

I don't understand the issue with the language I am using. What about it do you not understand? I explained why webcams on laptops are shambolic. They are almost all extremely poor quality and far below what is expected of a camera in 2019.

blame space · Apr 10, 2019

shambolic thread

shambolic shambolic shambolic

blame space · Apr 10, 2019

*crying* I'm a shamboholic

I'm addicted to shambohol

Spikey · Apr 10, 2019

I find the Apple watch unbelievably ugly.

Deleted member 9330 · Apr 10, 2019

Someone get dril to incorporate "shambolic" into a tweet

Freestyler · Apr 10, 2019

blame space said:
*crying* I'm a shamboholic

I'm addicted to shambohol

Shambola, ya ya, shambola roll call!

Deleted member 29939 · Apr 10, 2019

Apple hate is shambalicious

Souzetsu · Apr 10, 2019

Fullmetal Apple devices: Conqueror of Shambolic

Deleted member 29939 · Apr 10, 2019

TheMadTitan · Apr 10, 2019

Freestyler said:
I agree that the hole punch is an improvement in terms of design, but bear in mind that the Galaxy range doesn't have Face ID, which means they don't really need the same amount of space as the notch provides.

From the reviews I've seen, the new in-screen fingerprint reader is slow and unreliable, and the "face unlock" is easily fooled.

There's solutions to the Face ID problem that don't require a notch, like having a top bezel. You know, like this:

In regards to the fingerprint sensor; it's not slow; it's slower. Everyone's used to how fast capacitive readers have gotten over the last few years, and the sensor in the S10 isn't as fast as that, though it's still plenty fast, and is a much much faster experience than unlocking your phone via Face ID.

And the face unlock on the S10 is only easily fooled if you use the fast unlock, which can be tricked by easy snapshots. Standard face unlock is no less secure than any other front facing camera unlock by any brand not named Apple since Apple has a shit ton more sensors in the front of the screen.

And even then, there's plenty of people who seem to much rather have TouchID back anyway.

S I C K O · Apr 10, 2019

ever since they went camera bump has made me question their iPhone/iPad design

the XS could look so much better

baron doggystyle von woof · Apr 10, 2019

Unkindled said:
Apple's iPhone XS already looks dated with that notch compared to Samsung's hole punch display.

True. But the symetry on the xs makes it alright. Notches need to go though.

PixelatedDonut · Apr 10, 2019

Shambolic 💀

Euphoria · Apr 10, 2019

I don't know, I don't understand it.

I'm talking about the Apple hate on this forum. It happens all the time, doesn't matter if it's music or phones or streaming boxes, the hate is always so ridiculous.

I always close these threads feeling so much pity for those who get all worked up over anything and everything they do.

However it does show they are doing things right. You don't get all these haters if you're not doing things right.

exodus · Apr 10, 2019

TheMadTitan said:
There's solutions to the Face ID problem that don't require a notch, like having a top bezel. You know, like this:

In regards to the fingerprint sensor; it's not slow; it's slower. Everyone's used to how fast capacitive readers have gotten over the last few years, and the sensor in the S10 isn't as fast as that, though it's still plenty fast, and is a much much faster experience than unlocking your phone via Face ID.

And the face unlock on the S10 is only easily fooled if you use the fast unlock, which can be tricked by easy snapshots. Standard face unlock is no less secure than any other front facing camera unlock by any brand not named Apple since Apple has a shit ton more sensors in the front of the screen.

And even then, there's plenty of people who seem to much rather have TouchID back anyway.

Personally I prefer the notch to a top bezel. With an OLED screen, the notch is invisible with video content anyways.

Freestyler · Apr 10, 2019

TheMadTitan said:
There's solutions to the Face ID problem that don't require a notch, like having a top bezel. You know, like this:

How is that an improvement over the notch? With the notch, the carrier name/time, signal strength, Wi-Fi, and battery are all tucked away in the area that would otherwise (in your render) be a dead area. And then you would either need a giant chin at the bottom to keep the top & bottom symmetrical, or you would have an asymmetrical top & bottom which is just grossé.

Elderly Parrot · Apr 10, 2019

Cow said:
Alot of shambolic defenders in this thread.

1) The iPad Mini IS NOT the low end iPad device. That goes to that shambolic mess with like 2gb of ram they released last year.

2) The Macbook Pro IS NOT the best looking laptop these days. Huawei has again trumped Apple in that department with their Matebook X Pro laptops.

3) The iPhone looks ugly and dated. Let's completely forget they released the iPhone 8 in 2017. That phone looked 5 years old the day it was released.

Matebook X looks like a cheap knock off

reKon · Apr 10, 2019

Elderly Parrot said:
Matebook X looks like a cheap knock off

It mean it really doesn't...

.......

The name is pathetic though

Halbrand · Apr 10, 2019

The notch looks Iron Man-like, I like it

It's time has come though

Haze · Apr 10, 2019

Can't really look at a XR/XS/XS max and say it isn't a beautiful piece of technology

The hole punch is a lot worse than the notch but I understand Samsung did too much digging on the notch to add one.

I also have a 2018 MacBook Pro in the space gray and it's sexy as hell.

xxracerxx · Apr 10, 2019

All the examples the OP is posting about have less bevel....I swear that is their major complaint.

Macbook Pro

Matebook X Pro (what a fucking dumb name)

Deleted member 29939 · Apr 10, 2019

Euphoria said:
I don't know, I don't understand it.

I'm talking about the Apple hate on this forum. It happens all the time, doesn't matter if it's music or phones or streaming boxes, the hate is always so ridiculous.

I always close these threads feeling so much pity for those who get all worked up over anything and everything they do.

Inferiority complex is a hell of a thing

Elderly Parrot · Apr 10, 2019

reKon said:
It mean it really doesn't...

.......

The name is pathetic though

I get its super powerful and good computer but they completely stole the look and the US government recently file a compliant for them for openly stealing trade secrets such as schematics from competitors and macbook pro components are on the list. A few of the parts taken are still going through the patent process so we shall see.

DongBeetle · Apr 10, 2019

xxracerxx said:
All the examples the OP is posting about have less bevel....I swear that is their major complaint.

Macbook Pro

Matebook X Pro (what a fucking dumb name)

Looks the same lol just has less bezel

Deleted member 9330 · Apr 10, 2019

And what's another word for "bezel"? SHAMBLE

Deleted member 29939 · Apr 10, 2019

Also, what's wrong with bezels?

As a product designer I wish someone could point me to a recap of the global meeting I clearly missed where it was declared that the road to better designs is to reduce/eliminate anything that isnt "screen" on anything that has a screen.

The metal chin on imacs for example give it character and I find the black frame quite elegant.
And the iPhone 5 with its speaker cutout and concave bubble home button is still better looking than 90% of phones running the bezel reduction marathon.

Cow · Apr 10, 2019

xxracerxx said:
All the examples the OP is posting about have less bevel....I swear that is their major complaint.

Macbook Pro

Matebook X Pro (what a fucking dumb name)

It is the main complaint. I also like curved edges on phones.

That matebook looks better than that macbook pro btw.

famikon · Apr 10, 2019

Apple, bring back this beauty

And I don't care about size, weight and bezels.

Braaier · Apr 10, 2019

Yeah that thing in the op is awful. Otherwise their devices look... Fine. Nothing special. Just fine

xxracerxx · Apr 10, 2019

Cow said:
It is the main complaint. I also like curved edges on phones.

That matebook looks better than that macbook pro btw.

They still have curved edges on phones.

And that Matebook looks like it would break if you look at it wrong.

fick · Apr 10, 2019

Purple Mug said:

Best phone design ever. It had such a good feel in the hand.

Cow · Apr 10, 2019

xxracerxx said:
They still have curved edges on phones.

And that Matebook looks like it would break if you look at it wrong.

I am talking like the samsung thing of curved display edges. It makes it appear like there is literally no bezel at all on the sides.

I have that laptop. It is a well built device, but I would absolutely take the support from apple over huawei. Apple has serious build quality issues with their current laptop line up and still hasn't fixed the keyboard fault that has been going on for years, but that support is there.

HorseFD · Apr 10, 2019

Base model iPads are ugly as hell, but other than that I'd say Apple devices are among the best looking.

Macbook Pros have to be the best looking laptops out there.

Deleted member 29939 · Apr 10, 2019

Bezel elimination and obsession with thinness are the dumbest trends in electronics right now.

It will come to a point where the front of a phone or tablet will promotionally be sold mostly on what wallpaper they choose to showcase.

A sea of tight, screen sized slabs. The non-shambolic heaven.

famikon · Apr 10, 2019

Purple Mug said:
Bezel elimination and obsession with thinness are the dumbest trends in electronics right now.

Agreed.

blame space · Apr 10, 2019

phones that aren't designed by apple in California?

Freestyler · Apr 10, 2019

blame space said:
phones that aren't designed by apple in California?

Agree. Cupertino really does make the best electronic products.

lunarworks · Apr 10, 2019

Purple Mug said:
Bezel elimination and obsession with thinness are the dumbest trends in electronics right now.

Whenever I see the word "bezels" in a tech site comment section my brain wants to turn off.

Freestyler · Apr 10, 2019

The moment that the black hole photo was first rendered. Look at these four shambolic laptops – I bet the Huawei laptop would've rendered it weeks ago.

Gavin Stevens · Apr 10, 2019

Everybody going for damn bezel-less design without thinking about me dropping my phone on that sweet spot and breaking it in 19 places. iPhone X is about as slim as I want to go. Just add an extra 2mm on the arse of it and give me a monster battery. I don't even care if you make ZERO changes to the damn cpu, just give me a better battery. Every damn year the same request...

Deleted member 39374 · Apr 10, 2019

Freestyler said:
The moment that the black hole photo was first rendered. Look at these four shambolic laptops – I bet the Huawei laptop would've rendered it weeks ago.

They should incorporate it into their mac ad campaign like this

J_ToSaveTheDay · Apr 10, 2019

I think Apple devices still look great from top tier to bottom tier.

I don't own a single one currently but I'm always feeling a little bit of envy over their design.

The smartphone notch is awful and plagues a ton of phones right now so I don't really lock that in as exclusively Apple's fault.

Avitus · Apr 10, 2019

Freestyler said:
The moment that the black hole photo was first rendered. Look at these four shambolic laptops – I bet the Huawei laptop would've rendered it weeks ago.

Computers aren't secret sauce filled bullshit, they are largely the sum of their hardware. Apple makes a nice chassis but I don't know how you praise the product beyond that.

It feels like the magic is gone post Jobs, so many half baked products.

Deleted member 39374 · Apr 10, 2019

Avitus said:
Apple makes a nice chassis but I don't know how you praise the product beyond that.

The integration of hardware/software is why it's praised, is in fact very much a "secret sauce" (T2 chip, custom alloys, iMac's display controller, folded OLED panels, etc), and is why some people rely on it to render black holes.

Avitus said:
It feels like the magic is gone post Jobs, so many half baked products.

People said this same thing while Jobs was still alive, but it was in the form of "they peaked" "the magic is gone" "they can't do another iPod" "iPhone can't compete with Blackberry, it's doomed"

Actually, some form of this "the magic is gone" statement has been around in one way or another since the mid-90's. But for some reason people still keep buying the products and other companies keep copying them! (MateBook X). How shambolic

PeakPointMatrix · Apr 10, 2019

xxracerxx said:
Matebook X Pro (what a fucking dumb name)

They know what they're doing

Deleted member 17092 · Apr 10, 2019

Imo tablets are actually better with some bezel.

lint2015 · Apr 10, 2019

Apple devices are so ugly these days

Uses the iPad mini, whose external industrial design hasn't changed for at least five years, as the single example. Yeah, okay. 🙄

TheMadTitan said:
There's solutions to the Face ID problem that don't require a notch, like having a top bezel. You know, like this:

Gross.

Apple devices are so ugly these days

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